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  32. # [15:18] * Topic is 'XHTML2 WG - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0003.html'
  33. # [15:18] * Set by RolandM on Wed Jan 09 14:56:59
  34. # [15:19] <Steven> Steven: Well, since it is an optional feature, we only need one working implementation, and show it works correctly
  35. # [15:19] <Steven> ... we don't need two implementations
  36. # [15:20] <Steven> Yam: I have provided the test report of our implementation
  37. # [15:21] <Steven> Steven: So we need to create a test report that summarises the test results, shows we have achieved our exit criteria, ans request PR transition
  38. # [15:22] <Steven> ACTION: Steven to bring test results of XHTML Basic 1.1 together
  39. # [15:22] * RRSAgent records action 2
  40. # [15:22] <Steven> Roland: What is holding us up with Modularization?
  41. # [15:25] <Steven> Steven: Well, there is some problem with a zero-length CR period, so I propose we request CR, and then talk about the length of CR during the call. I would like Roland and Shane to be on the call
  42. # [15:25] <Steven> ACTION: Steven to organsie CR call for M12N
  43. # [15:25] * RRSAgent records action 3
  44. # [15:26] <Steven> s/nsie/nise/
  45. # [15:26] <ShaneM> XHTML 1.1 Second Edition is dependent on it.
  46. # [15:26] <Steven> Topic: ARIA
  47. # [15:26] <Steven> Roland: we'll skip this until Rich is able to be here
  48. # [15:26] <Steven> Topic: RDFa on html element
  49. # [15:28] <Steven> Shane: The current DTD doesn't allow the RDFa attributes on the html element
  50. # [15:28] <Steven> Steven: I would strongly support such an addition
  51. # [15:28] <Steven> Roland: Which DTD?
  52. # [15:28] <Steven> Steven: The XHTML 1.1+RDFa
  53. # [15:29] <Steven> Shane: But this change is not in M12N 2e
  54. # [15:29] <Steven> ... such as class and id on the html element
  55. # [15:30] <Steven> ... and it is now too late to add it, siunce we are past last call
  56. # [15:30] <Steven> s/2e/1.1/
  57. # [15:30] <Steven> Shane: Do we really need it for RDFa?
  58. # [15:30] <Steven> s/Shane/Mark/
  59. # [15:31] <Steven> Steven: @about on the root element
  60. # [15:31] <Steven> Shane: Oh wait, the prose says that id should be on the root
  61. # [15:32] <Steven> ... so I can fix that, it is an error in the implementation
  62. # [15:32] <Steven> ... and by the way, head doesn't take class either
  63. # [15:32] <Steven> Steven: Aren't they in the same collections?
  64. # [15:32] <Steven> Shane: Yes, but we don't use them on head and html
  65. # [15:33] <Steven> ... we use the id attribute directly
  66. # [15:33] <Steven> ... I will update the implementation right now
  67. # [15:34] <Steven> ... and make the changes in XHTML 1.1+RDFa
  68. # [15:34] <Steven> Roland: So we are happy with this change?
  69. # [15:34] <Steven> Steven: Yes
  70. # [15:35] <Steven> Topic: Taking CURIEs to last call
  71. # [15:35] <Steven> Steven: Not enough people to vote on it today
  72. # [15:36] <Steven> ACTION: Steven create a questionnaire to take CURIEs to last call
  73. # [15:36] * RRSAgent records action 4
  74. # [15:37] <Steven> Roland: Make it twp weeks for voting
  75. # [15:37] <Steven> s/twp/two/
  76. # [15:37] <Steven> Topic: Legacy module
  77. # [15:37] <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
  78. # [15:38] <Steven> Shane: I suggested moving h1-6 into the legacy module for XHTML2
  79. # [15:38] <Steven> ... and then peiople started asking about the legacy module
  80. # [15:39] <Roland> s/peiople/people/
  81. # [15:39] <Steven> Steven: It's a sort of hotchpotch
  82. # [15:39] <Steven> Roland: We should clean it up and treat it seriously for M12N 2
  83. # [15:41] <Steven> Steven: It might be a set of legacy modules, not just one
  84. # [15:41] <Steven> ... since someone might want to use h1-6 but not applet
  85. # [15:42] <Steven> SHane: THen let's not call it 'legacy' module, but give it a name and mark it deprecated
  86. # [15:42] <Steven> Steven: Good
  87. # [15:42] <Steven> s/TH/Th/
  88. # [15:42] <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
  89. # [15:42] <Steven> Steven: Dates for FtF?
  90. # [15:42] <Steven> Roland: Feb 18-20
  91. # [15:43] <Steven> Steven: Feb 19 is my birthday, so we'll have to party that evening!
  92. # [15:43] <Steven> ACTION: Steven to create FtF page
  93. # [15:43] * RRSAgent records action 5
  94. # [15:43] <Steven> Topic: Fix missing elements in M12N
  95. # [15:44] <Steven> Shane: I was wrong, that is fine
  96. # [15:44] <Steven> Topic: add inputmode to XHTML 1.1 2e
  97. # [15:44] <Steven> Steven: Sound like a good idea
  98. # [15:44] <Steven> s/ound/ounds/
  99. # [15:44] <Steven> Steven: Mostly harmless
  100. # [15:45] <Steven> Shane: Not sure how we do it editorially
  101. # [15:45] <Steven> ... since inputmode is a module in Basic 1.1
  102. # [15:45] <Steven> Steven: It's not in M12N 1.1?
  103. # [15:45] <Steven> Shane: Of course not
  104. # [15:46] <Steven> Steven: That would mean we have inputmode in three places
  105. # [15:46] <Steven> Shane: It's not a problem to reference the module in Basic
  106. # [15:46] <Steven> Steven: OK, then let's do that
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  108. # [15:47] * Steven welcomes Christina
  109. # [15:48] <Steven> Roland: Is there value to making a separate document?
  110. # [15:49] <Steven> Steven: We have three languages that uses it now, so there is a vbalue, but it is not hard to reference it from the Basic spec
  111. # [15:49] <Steven> Shane: Is it in XHTML2
  112. # [15:49] <Steven> Steven: Yes, as part of XForms
  113. # [15:49] <Steven> Roalnd: Which namespace?
  114. # [15:49] <Steven> Steven: Not yet resolved by us
  115. # [15:50] <Steven> s/Roal/Rola/
  116. # [15:50] <Steven> Steven: Action?
  117. # [15:50] <Steven> Roland: It is already there
  118. # [15:51] <Roland> Existing action on Shane to add to XHTML 1.1 SE : http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-xhtml-minutes.html#action01
  119. # [15:51] <Steven> Topic: CURIE issues - datatype etc
  120. # [15:52] <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2007Mar/0038.html
  121. # [15:53] <Steven> Roland: What is the value space od CURIE?
  122. # [15:53] <Steven> Steven: URI
  123. # [15:53] <Steven> s/od/of/
  124. # [15:54] <Steven> Shane: Disagree
  125. # [15:54] <Steven> Mark: If you compared x;a and y:a and x and y were the same mappings, would they be equal or not?
  126. # [15:55] <Steven> Shane: I think they are not equal
  127. # [15:55] <Steven> Steven: I think they should be equal
  128. # [15:55] <Steven> s/x;a/x:a/
  129. # [15:55] <Steven> Shane: I don't think they are compact URIs but scoped names
  130. # [15:56] <Steven> Mark: In sparql for instance they are compact URIs
  131. # [15:56] <Steven> Present+Christina
  132. # [15:56] <Steven> Chair: Roland
  133. # [15:58] <markbirbeck> Mark: They *must* be expanded.
  134. # [15:59] <Steven> Shane: When looking something up you get it from the DOM and look it up as prefix+extension
  135. # [15:59] <Steven> Mark: I disagree, you must expand it, because for instance ARIA uses the RDF processing
  136. # [16:00] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  137. # [16:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
  138. # [16:00] <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
  139. # [16:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Steven
  140. # [16:01] * Steven hears bells
  141. # [16:01] <Steven> Shane: Today if I use IE 7, a CURIE doesn't get expanded
  142. # [16:02] <Steven> Mark: That's an implementation issue
  143. # [16:02] <Steven> ... so doesn't affect the answer to the question "what is the value space of a CURIE"
  144. # [16:03] <Steven> Shane: If I say "get elements by role name" what should I use?
  145. # [16:03] <Steven> Mark: It should be the expanded name
  146. # [16:04] <Steven> ... it is not enough to search for "x:a"
  147. # [16:04] <Steven> Steven: Since you don't know what prefixes people have used
  148. # [16:06] <Steven> ... if someone produces a script library, they won't know which prefixes you have used
  149. # [16:06] <Steven> Mark: You are searching for a full URI
  150. # [16:06] <Steven> Roland: We are over time
  151. # [16:06] <Steven> ... let's try and resolve it via email
  152. # [16:06] <Steven> ... who will start the thread
  153. # [16:06] <Steven> s/thread/thread?/
  154. # [16:07] <Steven> SHane: Everyone seems to disagree with me, so I think we are done
  155. # [16:07] <Steven> ... the value space is a URI
  156. # [16:07] <Steven> s/SH
  157. # [16:07] <Steven> RESOLVED: the value space of a CURIE is URI
  158. # [16:08] <Steven> ACTION: Mark to reply to value space of CURIE email
  159. # [16:08] * RRSAgent records action 6
  160. # [16:08] <Steven> Shane: is it IRI or URI?
  161. # [16:09] <Steven> Steven: URI I think, since I believe that IRI is a lexical dataspace, whose vlaue space is URI
  162. # [16:09] <Steven> s/vla/val/
  163. # [16:09] <Steven> Mark: Looking at the mail, it looks like we have to discuss further
  164. # [16:10] <Steven> Roland: We should look at the other iussues so we can go to last call
  165. # [16:10] <Steven> ... so we can't decide to go to last call yet
  166. # [16:10] <Steven> s/iuss/iss/
  167. # [16:10] <Zakim> -ShaneM
  168. # [16:11] <Zakim> -Roland
  169. # [16:11] <Zakim> -markbirbeck
  170. # [16:11] <ShaneM> I think that there might be some value in preserving the expanded prefix separate from the reference in the CURIE value space
  171. # [16:11] <Zakim> -Steven
  172. # [16:11] <Zakim> -yamx
  173. # [16:11] <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
  174. # [16:11] <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, +20876aaaa, markbirbeck, yamx
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  176. # [16:11] <ShaneM> it would make it easier to search for, for example, all elements that have a role in a specific value space
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  178. # [16:12] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  179. # [16:12] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
  180. # [16:12] <markbirbeck> Mark: Ah...the original question points to an answer that is somewhere in between Shane's view and Mark/Steven's view. Peter Johnston says that if CURIEs are to be a superset of QNames then the two parts (prefix and suffix) must be preserved.
  181. # [16:13] <ShaneM> as you say Mark, implementation detail. But I can see some value in it
  182. # [16:13] <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
  183. # [16:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Roland
  184. # [16:13] <Steven> That's what QNames do, but QNames have a tighter syntax than CURIES
  185. # [16:13] <Roland> rrsagent, publish minutes
  186. # [16:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
  187. # [16:13] <Steven> You are allowed to split a CURIE in different places and stiull have the same value
  188. # [16:14] <markbirbeck> Interesting idea Shane...do you think we should support @accessrole="wai:*"? :)
  189. # [16:14] <markbirbeck> (Your previous point......)
  190. # [16:15] <markbirbeck> Steven--comparison would still require combining the two parts.
  191. # [16:15] <Steven> s/SHane/Shane/G
  192. # [16:15] <ShaneM> technically speaking, a CURIE prefix could be "" and the reference could be a complete URI. Not sure what that means tho.
  193. # [16:16] <ShaneM> Actually, given that a prefix can be anything preserving it has little value. It is only a complete URI *or* the original unexpanded value that will be meaningful for any processor imho. portably anyway.
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  199. # [17:43] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  200. # [17:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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