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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 30 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #xhtml
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  19. # [14:58] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-irc
  20. # [14:58] <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
  21. # [14:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Steven
  22. # [14:58] <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
  23. # [14:58] <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
  24. # [14:59] <Steven> zakim, feature request
  25. # [14:59] <Zakim> I don't understand 'feature request', Steven
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  27. # [15:02] <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started
  28. # [15:02] <Zakim> +Roland
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  31. # [15:02] <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 Weekly Teleconference
  32. # [15:02] <Steven> Chair: Roland
  33. # [15:02] <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
  34. # [15:02] <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
  35. # [15:02] <Zakim> +Steven
  36. # [15:03] * Tina is having the same problem as last week - no coverage for her cell, and a delay in installation of landline.
  37. # [15:03] <Zakim> +??P7
  38. # [15:03] <yamx> zakim, ?P7 is yamx
  39. # [15:03] <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P7'
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  41. # [15:03] <yamx> zakim, ??P7 is yamx
  42. # [15:03] <Zakim> +yamx; got it
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  44. # [15:04] <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036
  45. # [15:04] * Steven changes topic to 'Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0036'
  46. # [15:04] <ShaneM_> zakim, code
  47. # [15:04] <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', ShaneM_
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  49. # [15:05] <ShaneM_> zakim, what is the code
  50. # [15:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', ShaneM_
  51. # [15:05] * ShaneM_ loaths zakim
  52. # [15:05] <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
  53. # [15:05] <Steven> zakim, code?
  54. # [15:05] <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
  55. # [15:05] <Steven> Zakim loves question marks
  56. # [15:05] <ShaneM_> zakim sucks
  57. # [15:06] <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
  58. # [15:06] <ShaneM_> zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_
  59. # [15:06] <Zakim> +ShaneM_; got it
  60. # [15:06] <Steven> I think it ought to be more accepting of questions without the marks
  61. # [15:06] <Zakim> +gshults
  62. # [15:06] <Steven> zakim, who is here?
  63. # [15:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults
  64. # [15:06] <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
  65. # [15:07] <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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  67. # [15:09] <Steven> Regrets: Gregory
  68. # [15:09] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  69. # [15:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
  70. # [15:10] <Steven> Topic: Announcements
  71. # [15:12] <Zakim> +??P10
  72. # [15:12] <Steven> Steven: I read the selectors API spec
  73. # [15:12] <Steven> ... no real comments
  74. # [15:13] <Zakim> -??P10
  75. # [15:13] <Steven> ACTION: Steven to send response on selctors API
  76. # [15:13] * RRSAgent records action 1
  77. # [15:13] <Steven> FtF info: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF
  78. # [15:13] <Steven> Topic: FtF
  79. # [15:14] <Steven> Steven: Please fill in the form even if you can't come
  80. # [15:15] <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
  81. # [15:15] <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
  82. # [15:15] <Zakim> +??P10
  83. # [15:15] <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
  84. # [15:15] <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
  85. # [15:16] <Steven> zakim, who is here?
  86. # [15:16] <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, yamx, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck
  87. # [15:16] <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, gshults, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, yamx, Tina, myakura, Lachy, ShaneM_, krijnh
  88. # [15:16] <Steven> Yam: Do we really have a three day agenda?
  89. # [15:16] <Steven> Roland: I definitely think there is 3 days of work on XHTML2
  90. # [15:16] <Steven> ... and there is surelky other work to do
  91. # [15:18] <Steven> Gerrie: Will ther eonly be IRC?
  92. # [15:18] <Steven> Steven: Also Skype to my id
  93. # [15:18] <Steven> Topic: ARIA
  94. # [15:18] <Steven> Roland: Neither RIck or Gregory here today
  95. # [15:18] <Steven> Steven: I was expecting Rich today
  96. # [15:19] <Steven> Roland: He had sent regrets for the last weeks, maybe he's travelling
  97. # [15:19] <Steven> Topic: M12N
  98. # [15:19] <Steven> Steven: I have sent the transition request off, so it's in the pipeline
  99. # [15:19] <Steven> Topic: RDFa
  100. # [15:19] <Steven> Roland: Shane has pointed out the new draft on the Drafts page
  101. # [15:20] <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax
  102. # [15:20] <Steven> Shane: Lots of changing, all diff marked
  103. # [15:20] <Steven> ... we need to resolve to send it to last call
  104. # [15:20] <Steven> ... there is an issue we have to take a decision on
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  106. # [15:21] <Steven> ... we used values for @rel and @property from
  107. # [15:21] <Steven> ... XHTML2
  108. # [15:21] <Steven> ... and these are enumerated in the spec
  109. # [15:21] <alessio> sorry but I'm having serious trouble in connection, trying to rejoin
  110. # [15:22] <Steven> ... the chair of the TF has said that it is our decision about extending these
  111. # [15:22] <Steven> Shane: This is section 9
  112. # [15:22] <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes
  113. # [15:23] <Zakim> +??P11
  114. # [15:24] <alessio> zakim, +P11 is Alessio
  115. # [15:24] <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P11'
  116. # [15:24] <alessio> zakim, +??P11 is Alessio
  117. # [15:24] <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P11'
  118. # [15:24] <alessio> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio
  119. # [15:24] <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
  120. # [15:25] <Steven> Steven: We are grandfathering them in from XHTML1
  121. # [15:27] <ShaneM_> there is an issue with the use of non-xhtml defined values (e.g., nofollow) - since these values are not defined they will not by default generate triples in XHTML+RDFa
  122. # [15:28] <Steven> Steven: The only problem area is when peoiple use values outside this list
  123. # [15:28] <Steven> ... such as nofoloow
  124. # [15:28] <Steven> s/nofolooe/nofollow/
  125. # [15:29] <Steven> Shane: Traditionally you can use other values if you use @profile
  126. # [15:29] <Steven> Roland: Any other comments?
  127. # [15:29] <Steven> Shane: There is as yet no schema implementation
  128. # [15:30] <Steven> ... but there is no problem with adding a schema later
  129. # [15:31] <Steven> Roland: Who do we want to comment on it at last call?
  130. # [15:33] <Steven> Steven: We can ask at HCG if HTML5 are interested. DanC is chair, and he has interest
  131. # [15:34] <Steven> Mark: The Semweb people are going to vote to take this to LC on 9th Feb
  132. # [15:34] <Steven> ... if we can match that that would be good
  133. # [15:36] <gshults> I do not
  134. # [15:36] <Steven> Steven: Since this document is produced by people from this group I would propoise that we take this as a recomendation to go to last call, and that anyone who wants more time should speak up now, otherwise we resolve
  135. # [15:36] <Steven> Roland: Let's make that resolution next wekk
  136. # [15:36] <Steven> ... this is due warning for people to review it this week
  137. # [15:36] <Steven> s.wekk/week/
  138. # [15:37] <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1 SE
  139. # [15:37] <Steven> Roland: Any change on this?
  140. # [15:37] <Steven> ... We talked about it last week\
  141. # [15:37] <Steven> Shane: I update the draft
  142. # [15:38] <Steven> Roland: so we are just waiting on M12N
  143. # [15:38] <Steven> Topic: Bug in Basic
  144. # [15:38] <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0029.html
  145. # [15:39] <Steven> ACTION: Shane to check
  146. # [15:39] * RRSAgent records action 2
  147. # [15:39] <Steven> s/check/check bug in Basic 1.1/
  148. # [15:40] <Steven> Shane: hr is Basic right?
  149. # [15:40] <Steven> Steven: Yes
  150. # [15:40] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  151. # [15:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
  152. # [15:41] <Steven> Topic: Role comments
  153. # [15:41] <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0032.html
  154. # [15:44] <Steven> Steven: We don't require a DTD, jsut M12n
  155. # [15:44] <Steven> Shane: You have to interface to one of our normative implementations of M12N, so that includes DTD
  156. # [15:45] <Steven> Steven: How about: "XHTML doesn't
  157. # [15:45] <Steven> > really envision the idea of adding attributes to a document after it is
  158. # [15:45] <Steven> > loaded (after DOMready or the LOAD event fires)."
  159. # [15:45] <Steven> Steven: Do we agree?
  160. # [15:45] <Steven> Roland: No
  161. # [15:51] <Steven> Shane: We don't say anything about it
  162. # [15:51] <Steven> Steven: But it is part of the real world expectations of XHTML
  163. # [15:53] <Steven> ... I don't think any spec requires the DOM tree to remain conformant wit the DTD/schema
  164. # [15:58] <Steven> Steven: I see now. He is interpreting this as a syntax+DOM spec. BUt it is actually just a syntax spec
  165. # [15:58] <Steven> Shane: Another question he has, about what happens when role has more than one value
  166. # [16:03] <Zakim> -Alessio
  167. # [16:03] <Steven> ... and about non-prefixed values that aren;'t in our set
  168. # [16:04] * alessio ...lost connection, sorry again
  169. # [16:04] <Steven> Steven: Either leave it to the host languag, or require it to be ignored
  170. # [16:05] <Steven> ... and if we make a decision we have to add it to the spec
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  172. # [16:05] <Steven> Steven: We ignore similar rel values don't we?
  173. # [16:05] <Steven> Mark: We do now
  174. # [16:05] <markbirbeck> rel ::= (linktype | CURIE)*
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  176. # [16:06] <Steven> Steven: We may as well do the same for role
  177. # [16:06] <Steven> ... it would be consistent
  178. # [16:07] <Steven> Mark: They should come from the same taxonomy
  179. # [16:07] <Steven> ... since a role ccould have a rel value
  180. # [16:07] <Steven> s/cc/c/
  181. # [16:08] <Steven> RESOLUTION: non prefixed role values not in the standard list should be ignored
  182. # [16:08] <Zakim> -ShaneM_
  183. # [16:08] <Zakim> -Roland
  184. # [16:08] <Zakim> -markbirbeck
  185. # [16:08] <Zakim> -gshults
  186. # [16:08] <Zakim> -Steven
  187. # [16:08] <Zakim> -yamx
  188. # [16:08] <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
  189. # [16:08] <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, yamx, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, gshults, markbirbeck, Alessio
  190. # [16:08] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  191. # [16:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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