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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 30 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #xhtml
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  16. # [15:39] * RolandMerrick changes topic to 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0080.html'
  17. # [15:41] <Roland> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
  18. # [15:41] <Zakim> ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
  19. # [15:41] <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
  20. # [15:42] <Roland> Chair: Roland
  21. # [15:42] <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0080.html
  22. # [15:42] <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
  23. # [15:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
  24. # [15:43] <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
  25. # [15:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Roland
  26. # [15:43] <Roland> Regrets: Steven
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  28. # [15:45] <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
  29. # [15:45] <Zakim> +Roland
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  33. # [15:48] <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
  34. # [15:48] <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
  35. # [15:49] <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
  36. # [15:49] <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
  37. # [15:50] <oedipus> regrets+ Steven_Pemberton
  38. # [15:50] <Zakim> +??P9
  39. # [15:50] <Zakim> +??P10
  40. # [15:50] <yamx> zakim, ??P9 is yamx
  41. # [15:50] <Zakim> +yamx; got it
  42. # [15:51] <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??P10
  43. # [15:51] <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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  45. # [15:53] <oedipus> zakim, Alesssio is ??P11
  46. # [15:53] <Zakim> sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'Alesssio'
  47. # [15:53] <oedipus> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio_Cartocci
  48. # [15:53] <Zakim> +Alessio_Cartocci; got it
  49. # [15:54] <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
  50. # [15:54] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
  51. # [15:56] <oedipus> XML Base (Second Edition) - Steven not around to address
  52. # [15:56] <oedipus> RM: face2face meeting -- any registrants?
  53. # [15:56] <oedipus> RM: a lot of no answers so far
  54. # [15:56] <oedipus> wiki : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-06-Minneapolis-FtF
  55. # [15:56] <oedipus> registration: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2ftf200806/
  56. # [15:56] <oedipus> RM: poll those on phone
  57. # [15:56] <oedipus> Yam: no, don't think so
  58. # [15:57] <oedipus> GJR: probable conflict
  59. # [15:57] <oedipus> MB: still negotiating -- away most of may on business trips
  60. # [15:57] <oedipus> AC: don't think can attend, but interested in doing so remotely
  61. # [15:57] <oedipus> TOPIC: CURIES
  62. # [15:58] <oedipus> RM: SP sent replies out to TAG; discovered earlier, unaddressed comment from TAG: talked with Shane about it, don't know where SM got to with thAt; same on Mime Types
  63. # [15:59] <oedipus> Yam: 2 Minor comments: distinguish XHTML Basic 1.0 and 1.1 - remove ambiguity; CSS file for the W3C TR is very old, improper use -- says updated 2006, but much older than that
  64. # [15:59] <oedipus> RM: send comments to list, please so on record
  65. # [15:59] <oedipus> RM: last time talked to StevenP, still no feedback from Steve Bratt on either document
  66. # [16:00] <oedipus> Yam; Basic 1.1 M12n - transition request pending, right?
  67. # [16:00] <oedipus> RM: correct
  68. # [16:00] <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Model
  69. # [16:00] <oedipus> s/Access Model/Access Module
  70. # [16:00] <oedipus> GJR: request for activate="inspect" dropped
  71. # [16:02] <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0083.html
  72. # [16:04] <oedipus> GJR: awaiting Jim Allan post to public-xhtml2 -- GJR will ping him today -- hopefully get to list today
  73. # [16:04] <oedipus> RM: once get material, will review and can vote next week to go to Last Call
  74. # [16:04] <oedipus> TOPIC: Role Module
  75. # [16:04] <oedipus> RM: comes out of second LC soon -- no comments thusfar
  76. # [16:04] <oedipus> TOPIC: RDFa Feedback
  77. # [16:05] <oedipus> MB: few comments on RDFa -- most of them resolved; nothing that affects things materially
  78. # [16:05] <oedipus> TOPIC: RM Comments
  79. # [16:06] <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0066.html
  80. # [16:07] <oedipus> RM: comments on MimeType
  81. # [16:07] <oedipus> RM: Appendix A. Compatibility Guidelines comments:
  82. # [16:07] <oedipus> s/MimeType/Mime draft
  83. # [16:08] <oedipus> RM: looking for specificity; re: empty elements, helpful for authors to use this and not have to go off and find attributes that it effects; empty elements is a hsort list (included in email cited above) -- should list them in document
  84. # [16:09] <oedipus> RM: document ought to make it as easy as possible for reader to create a new document, rather than leave it to them to discover rules
  85. # [16:09] <oedipus> RM: is that something people agree with?
  86. # [16:09] <oedipus> MB: yes
  87. # [16:09] <oedipus> GJR: yes
  88. # [16:09] <oedipus> Yam: yes
  89. # [16:10] <oedipus> RM: lang and xml:lang - says use xml:lang - does not say don't or should not use lang attribute; need to state use xml:lang and not lang
  90. # [16:10] <oedipus> MB: given goal of this is to make it so html and xhtml interchangable, don't know if should be so strong on XML features
  91. # [16:10] <oedipus> RM: agree good question -- encountered when drafting examples
  92. # [16:11] <oedipus> GJR: have not been able to find AT that switches in response to xml:lang - still key off lang
  93. # [16:11] <oedipus> RM: good example
  94. # [16:12] <oedipus> MB: target renderer is XML renderer, not an HTML renderer; describe best practice for authors of XHTML document whose work will be served as HTML; should be stated other way around to get best results - use lang and xml:lang
  95. # [16:12] <oedipus> RM: best answer i have is specify both -- should record which browsers and which versions support xml:lang -- shouldn't leave issue of use of other one dangling
  96. # [16:12] <oedipus> MB: do use xml:lang or use lang or specify both
  97. # [16:13] <oedipus> s/MB: do use/RM: do use
  98. # [16:13] <oedipus> MB: generic XML feature use that has been the model, but if HTML feature available, why not use it? if we tell people to use XSL rather than CSS will have problem -- can't load boath stylesheets;
  99. # [16:14] <oedipus> RM: aiming for those that work in browsers we are interested in -- likely will be HTML versions; finding a lot of HTML browsers do support XML features, but picked and chosen; develop sample documents to run against series of browsers, record results and report
  100. # [16:15] <oedipus> MB: seems like a lot of work to gain very little; know UAs support HTML, so need to ensure that XHTML works
  101. # [16:15] <oedipus> RM: features that only work in XML/XHTML are the issue -- what about them? HTML browsers recognize limited set of XML features need to document
  102. # [16:16] <oedipus> MB: if make assertion, have to prove it; someone's got to do this work
  103. # [16:16] <oedipus> RM: good practices or recommendation -- this is the way to do it
  104. # [16:16] <oedipus> MB: if start recommending things that aren't really necessary, then making more work for all involved -- reduce work to do verification by scaling down requirements
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  106. # [16:17] <oedipus> RM: don't want reader to infer -- do use lang, use xml:lang -- should say "do this, and don't do that"
  107. # [16:17] <oedipus> MB: fragment identifiers -- same thing -- use id attribute, do not use name attribute
  108. # [16:18] <oedipus> RM: can't just say "do what HTML does" -- won't work with XHTML compact forms
  109. # [16:18] * oedipus waves to tinA
  110. # [16:18] * Tina waves back, but is, as the quote goes, in the middle of fifteen things, all of them annoying
  111. # [16:19] <oedipus> RM: don't make distinctions between 1.0 and 1.1 -- clarify what Basic means -- going back to yam's point
  112. # [16:19] <oedipus> RM: want document that is valid XHTML rendered by HTML
  113. # [16:19] <oedipus> Yam: completely different in mobile -- some can support basic 1.0 and some basic 1.1
  114. # [16:20] <oedipus> RM: like those to be XHTML Basic, rendered in a non-mobile UA that renders HTML
  115. # [16:20] <oedipus> Yam: more interested in how UA can inform its capabilities using HTTP protocol; like to make very clear how will profile be used to identify basic 1.0 or basic 1.1
  116. # [16:21] <oedipus> Yam: such notificiation is VERY important in mobile devices
  117. # [16:21] <oedipus> RM: SM says Mime document follows these rules -- implements what says you should do
  118. # [16:22] <oedipus> RM: additional comments, please send to list and we will work through them;
  119. # [16:22] <oedipus> RM: other items for discussion?
  120. # [16:22] <oedipus> Yam; send mime type comment to xhtml mailing list
  121. # [16:23] <oedipus> s/Yam: send/Yam: will send
  122. # [16:23] <oedipus> RM: adjourn
  123. # [16:23] <Zakim> -Roland
  124. # [16:23] <Zakim> -markbirbeck
  125. # [16:23] <Zakim> -Alessio_Cartocci
  126. # [16:23] <Zakim> -yamx
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  128. # [16:23] <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
  129. # [16:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
  130. # [16:23] <oedipus> zakim, bye
  131. # [16:23] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, yamx, markbirbeck, Alessio_Cartocci
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  133. # [16:23] <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
  134. # [16:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
  135. # [16:24] <oedipus> regrets+ Tina
  136. # [16:24] <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
  137. # [16:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
  138. # [16:25] <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
  139. # [16:25] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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