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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 05 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:02] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: is unsigned short a type in xpidl?
  4. # [00:03] <@tbsaunde> if so would you mind the filter func returning one instead of a short?
  5. # [00:03] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, sure, i could do that
  6. # [00:03] <@tbsaunde> thx
  7. # [00:09] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: also, why is nsTObserverArray<nsCOMPtr<nsIAccessiblePivotObserver> > incompatable with the macro?
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  10. # [00:13] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, because the macro tries to create an enumerator with the wrong type, it does _type*
  11. # [00:16] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oh :(
  12. # [00:16] <@tbsaunde> it might be worth fixing that
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  24. # [01:17] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review? for attachment 585591 on bug 714976.
  25. # [01:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
  26. # [01:24] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 585932 on bug 714976.
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  29. # [02:45] <@tbsaunde> hub: since the role description should always be localized according to the doc wouldn't it be better to generalize that?
  30. # [02:46] <@hub> for the other, we get it from the OS
  31. # [02:46] <@hub> I might have more exceptions, though
  32. # [02:47] <@tbsaunde> does the toolkit localize it, or just not use the role description?
  33. # [02:47] <@hub> it returns the localized role description
  34. # [02:48] <@hub> just that these are not dealt with by the OS it seems
  35. # [02:48] <@tbsaunde> ... welp
  36. # [02:50] <@tbsaunde> what about the caching thing, do you have data show we need to cache that?
  37. # [02:50] <@tbsaunde> it doesn't seem totally insain, but I'd rather not do it unless we need to
  38. # [02:52] <@hub> most of the caching is done
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  40. # [02:53] <@tbsaunde> what do you mean by that?
  41. # [02:58] <@hub> oh sorry, I misunderstood
  42. # [02:58] <@hub> which caching are you talking about?
  43. # [03:00] <@tbsaunde> caching the translated string
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  45. # [03:06] <@hub> tbsaunde: well, it is static. Or are we supposed be able to switch the displayed language?
  46. # [03:06] <@hub> ok, gotta go now.
  47. # [03:06] <@hub> I'll be back online in a bit
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  52. # [03:29] <@tbsaunde> hub: so, I have a theory which is that if it knows the role it deals with l1on for you if it doesn't it uses the role description
  53. # [03:30] <@tbsaunde> and, when I look I see a couple other places we don't use a system role just because it was 10.4+ and we should just get rid of those
  54. # [03:30] <@tbsaunde> but I think this might be the only exception unless we decide the system role doesn't work for something sometime
  55. # [03:37] <@hub> tbsaunde: I'll verify them. For example I'm now handling ROLE_HEADING as a different special case.
  56. # [03:38] <@hub> but not for the role description
  57. # [03:38] <@tbsaunde> hub: interesting, can I see what that looks like?
  58. # [03:39] <@hub> it is bug 712923
  59. # [03:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  60. # [03:40] <@hub> basically what I do is I try to provide the same info as Safari
  61. # [03:41] <@tbsaunde> hub: sure, do you have a copy of webkit around? I'm grabbing one and hopping there a11y stuff is public
  62. # [03:42] <@hub> I don't, but I should check one out
  63. # [03:42] <@hub> I was using Google Codesearch so far
  64. # [03:42] <@hub> good chunk of their a11y is public
  65. # [03:42] <@tbsaunde> hub: that seems like a reasonable strategy, but I want to avoid a pile of one off hacks :)
  66. # [03:43] <@hub> I use the accessibility inspector to peek at the values
  67. # [03:43] <@hub> much easier.
  68. # [03:44] <@tbsaunde> yeah, but I don't have machine running osx handy
  69. # [03:44] <@tbsaunde> so I'm doing what I can
  70. # [03:44] <@hub> yeah I know
  71. # [03:45] <@hub> I was just saying
  72. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> sure, its fine
  73. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> and I could boot it, but then I wouldn't have a linux machine handy
  74. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> what does webkit do for headings?
  75. # [03:48] <@hub> the set the Role to AXHeading and the value to the level.
  76. # [03:48] <@hub> so all I need is to change the RoleMap for this role
  77. # [03:48] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  78. # [03:49] <@tbsaunde> I gues I misunderstood then, because I thought you were saying we needed to add an exception
  79. # [03:49] <@hub> I need to change the method for "value"
  80. # [03:49] <@hub> but that's not a big problem
  81. # [03:49] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  82. # [03:49] <@hub> I don't know about the role description if it is correct yet
  83. # [03:50] <@tbsaunde> well, if the role is provided by the toolkit I'd expect they localize it
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  85. # [04:19] <@tbsaunde> ok, so as far as I can tell ebkit is pretty weird
  86. # [04:19] <@tbsaunde> *wbkit
  87. # [04:20] <@tbsaunde> but I think they localize a lot themselves, though I don't know why
  88. # [04:22] <@tbsaunde> hub: ^ might interest you
  89. # [04:22] <@hub> possibly the stuff for which the API does not know about
  90. # [04:23] <@hub> like we'll have to do
  91. # [04:25] <@tbsaunde> yeah, maybe a lot of it looks like its ARIA stuff though I''d think they could of fited some in or just added it to there api :p
  92. # [04:39] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 585932 on bug 714976.
  93. # [04:39] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested feedback from l10n@mozilla.com for attachment 585932 on bug 714976.
  94. # [04:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
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  96. # [07:38] <@firebot> santiago.gimeno@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 584787 on bug 713792.
  97. # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713792 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop QueryInterface()ing to nsIAccessibleImage internally
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  99. # [07:49] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 713129 filed by brandon.beaumia@gmail.com.
  100. # [07:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713129 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, ⇧↑ Shift + Up in the awesomebar highlights bottom result rather than inputted text
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  109. # [13:08] <askalski> hi everyone
  110. # [13:08] <askalski> I'm setting OpenVPN for Mountain View office
  111. # [13:08] <askalski> can anyone tell me what is gateway name?
  112. # [13:08] <askalski> I mean what is I should write in configuration in "gateway" field to connect with MV office
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  115. # [13:17] <askalski> hi, anyone here?
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  123. # [14:22] <@firebot> santiago.gimeno@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 586044 on bug 713792.
  124. # [14:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713792 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop QueryInterface()ing to nsIAccessibleImage internally
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  132. # [14:41] <askalski> hi everybody
  133. # [14:41] <askalski> can someone help me with setting OpenVPN?
  134. # [14:41] <askalski> I think that the problem is trivial
  135. # [14:42] <askalski> but it's hard to find linux users
  136. # [14:54] <@MarcoZ> askalski: tbsaunde or eeejay come to mind. I, unfortunately, can only speak for Windows, and only partially since I also need help each time I try to set this thing up. :)
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  139. # [14:59] <askalski> MarcoZ: thx, I found a developer who has a build environment quite similar to what I want, he helped me with Eclipse and OpenVPN already
  140. # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Fantastic!
  141. # [15:01] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  142. # [15:02] <askalski> davidb: hi!, I spoke with Alex, and numerous other people from Moz, still setting up and learning :)
  143. # [15:03] <askalski> davidb, : btw, we have some issues with .mozconfig you sent me, it fails to build, I guess some prequisites aren't met. I guess I'll experiment a bit with eclipse first if you don't mind, I think that graphic debugger will help me a lot to understand execution flow
  144. # [15:04] <@davidb> hi all!
  145. # [15:05] <@davidb> askalski: you've probably seen this https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Eclipse
  146. # [15:06] <@davidb> glad you connected with Alexander
  147. # [15:08] <askalski> just started to dig in it
  148. # [15:08] <askalski> the guy sent me the link
  149. # [15:09] <askalski> but I'm multitasking so I haven't went through it yet
  150. # [15:10] <@davidb> all progress is good
  151. # [15:10] <askalski> davidb, : btw I got the serial number and the signatures (on pdf) so pretty much all I asked
  152. # [15:10] <@davidb> excellent
  153. # [15:10] <askalski> davidb, : so there's a lot of progress today :)
  154. # [15:10] <@davidb> heheh
  155. # [15:11] <askalski> davidb, : I just wonder if it's possible to attach this alternative compiler to eclipse CDT, and is it worth pursuing, because I will save some compile time, and loose some hours configuring
  156. # [15:11] <askalski> davidb, : so I guess I'll live it on a 2do list for later
  157. # [15:12] <askalski> davidb, : because to my experience configuring eclipse is harder than configuring entire gentoo from stage 1...
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  159. # [15:12] <Stevef> morning all
  160. # [15:13] <@davidb> hi Stevef!
  161. # [15:13] <Stevef> davidb: do the html5 audio/video controls work with JAWS , I am having trouble
  162. # [15:14] <@davidb> askalski: leaving it as a side project could work
  163. # [15:14] <@davidb> Stevef: MarcoZ is your man
  164. # [15:14] <@davidb> I wonder if this is why Gijs tweeted me about generated content
  165. # [15:14] <Stevef> working on a new year update of html5accessibility.com and checking friefox implementaions
  166. # [15:14] <@davidb> cool
  167. # [15:15] <Stevef> MarcoZ:do the html5 audio/video controls work with JAWS? I am having trouble, using JAWS 12.
  168. # [15:15] <@MarcoZ> Stevef: I evangelized with them to implement support since we started exposing the controls in Firefox 3.5, but to be honest I haven't checked back with JAWS to see if they actually do anything with the exposed controls.
  169. # [15:15] <Stevef> right OK, will check JAWS 13, and ask rich
  170. # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> Stevef: Since they do not only rely on the a11y tree, but do stuff with our older iSimpleDOM stuff, too, they explicitly need to act on these controls. This is similar to the times when they would simply ditch anything that was included in a <header/> tag.
  171. # [15:17] <@davidb> Stevef, MarcoZ NVDA still sees them right?
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  173. # [15:18] <Stevef> MarcoZ, Davidb: so would you say that firfox has a complete acc implementation for audio/video?
  174. # [15:18] <Stevef> davidb: is there any talk about making the visible UI controls actually usable with the keyboard?
  175. # [15:18] <@davidb> http://mindforks.blogspot.com/2009/09/keyboard-control-of-html5-video.html
  176. # [15:19] <@tbsaunde> is davidb on anther clang kick :-P
  177. # [15:19] <@davidb> Stevef: nothing recent
  178. # [15:19] <@davidb> Stevef: but our Ux people have moved about since then
  179. # [15:19] <@davidb> Stevef: what do users want?
  180. # [15:20] <@davidb> also - that is a lot of spam comments!
  181. # [15:20] <@tbsaunde> askalski: sorry can't help, I never bothered setting open vpn, I just ssh to office.mtv1.m.c then from there to where ever I need to ssh which is anoying but not that bad
  182. # [15:20] <@davidb> askalski: i have used vpn
  183. # [15:20] <Stevef> davidb: seems like the only way to provide accessible controls for a range of users is via custom controls - example: http://terrillthompson.com/tests/html5-audio.html
  184. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Stevef: Yes, NVDA sees them. I'm using them on Youtube every day since I have webm enabled there.
  185. # [15:21] <askalski> tbsaunde, : I never thought of it, seems like an easier solution than what I've been through this morning :)
  186. # [15:21] <Stevef> MarcoZ: cool thanks
  187. # [15:22] <Stevef> won't mention high contrast support... :-)
  188. # [15:22] <@davidb> hhaa
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  191. # [15:29] <@firebot> l10n@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 585932 on bug 714976.
  192. # [15:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
  193. # [15:31] <@MarcoZ> Yay
  194. # [15:33] * @MarcoZ is re-doing his Windows on the MacBook again. Aparently Windows doesn't take kindly to be started in turn from both Bootcamp AND from inside VMware Fusion. So it'll be a pure Mac OS install with a Windows VM instead of Bootcamp.
  195. # [15:33] <@davidb> MarcoZ: how much RAM you have?
  196. # [15:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you nocturnal again?
  197. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> davidb: 8 GB.
  198. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And an SSD.
  199. # [15:39] <@davidb> perfecto
  200. # [15:39] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no? why?
  201. # [15:40] <@davidb> oh right, Pittsburgh
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  203. # [15:41] <@davidb> *facepalm*
  204. # [15:41] <@tbsaunde> hah
  205. # [15:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, this is the beauty we bought for me for work last year in March, and we were forward-thinking and ordered it with 8 GB straight away.
  206. # [15:44] * @davidb nods
  207. # [15:45] <@davidb> no point messing around
  208. # [16:05] <richardschwerdtfeger> any progress in adding landmark support
  209. # [16:09] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: there was a questions pending we need for Ux design
  210. # [16:10] <richardschwerdtfeger> what is that?
  211. # [16:10] <@davidb> i sec
  212. # [16:11] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: Matt wants a dialog available from both the menu and the toolbar. This is very much against the movement towards making our UI less noisy.
  213. # [16:12] <@davidb> I recall needing to know if the target user is primarily a screen reader user, or if this is something we need to design for all.
  214. # [16:13] <@davidb> The latter would be nice but we have to solve the UI requirement.
  215. # [16:13] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: bug 676549
  216. # [16:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676549 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Add keyboard shortcuts for jumping to landmarks
  217. # [16:13] <richardschwerdtfeger> this is also for mobility impaired users. You could bring up the dialog with an accelerator vs the toolbar
  218. # [16:14] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: if we are to choose a shortcut, we need to cross reference http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Keyboard%20shortcuts and the screen reader shortcuts etc
  219. # [16:14] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: if you can find me a shortcut, i'll add it.
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  221. # [16:16] <@davidb> oh hmm bug 670928
  222. # [16:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670928 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, WAI-ARIA landmark roles not accessible directly in Firefox
  223. # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> richardschwerdtfeger: Note that most, if not all screen readers, probably won't need this since they implement their own landmark navigation.
  224. # [16:17] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good point.
  225. # [16:17] <@davidb> I wonder if Jon finished his tool http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.accessibility/browse_thread/thread/d4254c5c05f4bc24?pli=1
  226. # [16:17] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: are you in touch with Jon these days?
  227. # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> right. this is needed when no AT is available.
  228. # [16:18] <@davidb> oh!
  229. # [16:18] <@davidb> maybe we could add this to the type ahead find bar
  230. # [16:18] <richardschwerdtfeger> that would be real cool
  231. # [16:19] <richardschwerdtfeger> never though of that
  232. # [16:19] <richardschwerdtfeger> thought
  233. # [16:19] <@davidb> seems like it could be a way forward
  234. # [16:20] <richardschwerdtfeger> sounds like a fantastic idea anyway.
  235. # [16:21] <@davidb> we'll find out
  236. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> Yeah sounds cool!
  237. # [16:25] <@davidb> hmmm margaret doesn't seem to hang in our channel anymore… i think she is mobile front-end now
  238. # [16:25] <@davidb> gavin: ping
  239. # [16:26] * @davidb asks in #fx-team
  240. # [16:27] <Stevef> main use case for keyboard landmark support is for keyboard only users who are NOT AT users
  241. # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Who can we best ping about bug 653226 and bug 653230? These seem to be Toolkit/XUL widget bugs rather than FX-specific ones, but need attention.
  242. # [16:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653226 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve keyboard accessibility of type="menu-button" buttons
  243. # [16:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653230 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Panel unexpectedly receives focus when noautofocus="true"
  244. # [16:29] <@davidb> Stevef: yeah, I recall now, and Rich reminded me too :)
  245. # [16:30] <@davidb> MarcoZ: we can raise them as priorities to the FF team
  246. # [16:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I feel we've kept our users working around these bugs long enough, really! These are regressions introduced in FF4, and from users' point of view they ARE usability regressions.
  247. # [16:30] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: one of the neils?
  248. # [16:31] <Stevef> would be GREAT to get keyboard landmark support in firefox!
  249. # [16:31] * @davidb nods
  250. # [16:31] <@davidb> tbsaunde: enn is cc'ed
  251. # [16:31] * @tbsaunde was never really bothered by the door hanger ui, its a little silly as is, but shrug
  252. # [16:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: would you be the right one to answer Enn's hanging question on bug 653230?
  253. # [16:32] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, MarcoZ can poke more diretly if he wants :)
  254. # [16:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde: true that.
  255. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I hope this reply helps enn understand the bug better.
  256. # [16:39] <@davidb> should
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  264. # [17:20] <gavin> davidb: pong
  265. # [17:20] <@davidb> gavin: good morning
  266. # [17:20] <@davidb> gavin: was going to ask for suggestions on how to get progress on bug 653226 and bug 653230
  267. # [17:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653226 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve keyboard accessibility of type="menu-button" buttons
  268. # [17:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653230 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Panel unexpectedly receives focus when noautofocus="true"
  269. # [17:20] <@davidb> but probably MarcoZ's answer to Enn will help
  270. # [17:22] <@davidb> gavin: also, can you help askalski with removing a bugzilla account?
  271. # [17:23] <@davidb> i don't seem to have that power
  272. # [17:25] <gavin> why does it need to be removed?
  273. # [17:26] <askalski> I have registered second time after I trying to remind a password attached to my e-mail
  274. # [17:27] <askalski> because I forgot that the day I registered I haven't had the @mozilla e-mail account
  275. # [17:28] <gavin> you can file a bug under bugzilla.mozilla.org::administration and request that they merge the accounts
  276. # [17:28] <askalski> OK
  277. # [17:28] <@davidb> thanks gavin
  278. # [17:30] <askalski> gavin: how to get to ::administration?
  279. # [17:30] <askalski> gavin, : while I try to post a bug it asks me for a product
  280. # [17:31] <gavin> the product is bugzilla.mozilla.org
  281. # [17:31] <gavin> the component is "adminstration"
  282. # [17:37] <askalski> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Bugzilla , right?
  283. # [17:38] <gavin> no
  284. # [17:38] <gavin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.mozilla.org
  285. # [17:39] <askalski> gavin, : thanks, that was close :)
  286. # [17:39] <askalski> gavin, : component description triggered suspicion
  287. # [17:43] <askalski> gavin, davidb: thanks for help
  288. # [17:43] <gavin> np
  289. # [17:43] * @davidb nods
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  297. # [18:05] <@MarcoZ> gavin: Just replied to you in bug 653230.
  298. # [18:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653230 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Panel unexpectedly receives focus when noautofocus="true"
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  303. # [18:38] <Stevef> HTML Canvas 2D Context Extensions
  304. # [18:38] <Stevef> http://dev.w3.org/html5/canvas-extensions/Overview.html
  305. # [18:41] <Stevef> sorry wrong window
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  309. # [20:10] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: you've got me thinking about harleys
  310. # [20:11] * @davidb shakes out of it
  311. # [20:11] <richardschwerdtfeger> :-)
  312. # [20:12] <richardschwerdtfeger> that is about all I will do for the next couple of months
  313. # [20:12] <richardschwerdtfeger> think about them
  314. # [20:14] <@davidb> awwww. sad.
  315. # [20:15] <@davidb> that is something I wouldn't want to do… ride a harley with one good arm
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  318. # [20:19] <richardschwerdtfeger> :-)
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  324. # [22:13] <@davidb> victorporof: is it possible to use tilt to snag that flashing cursor in this demo? http://ajaxorg.github.com/ace/build/kitchen-sink.html
  325. # [22:13] <@davidb> (in inspect 3d mode)
  326. # [22:15] <victorporof> davidb: you mean select? i think so
  327. # [22:15] <victorporof> i was able to click it :)
  328. # [22:15] <@davidb> yes
  329. # [22:15] <@davidb> yeah?
  330. # [22:15] <@davidb> victorporof: what is it?
  331. # [22:15] <@davidb> can i zoom in via tilt?
  332. # [22:15] <victorporof> a div
  333. # [22:15] <@davidb> victorporof: ok, it doesn't move around in the DOM right? just floats?
  334. # [22:15] <victorporof> div.ace_cursor.ace_hidden in th breadcrumbs
  335. # [22:15] <@davidb> how did you click it?
  336. # [22:16] <victorporof> it seems a float
  337. # [22:16] <victorporof> i... clicked
  338. # [22:16] <victorporof> from the bottom
  339. # [22:17] <victorporof> so the problem it's inside that ace_line div
  340. # [22:17] <victorporof> and it has the same height. how wonderful
  341. # [22:20] <@davidb> victorporof: thanks
  342. # [22:20] <@davidb> tilt is amazing
  343. # [22:20] <victorporof> amazingly bad at this thing apparently
  344. # [22:20] <victorporof> hmm...
  345. # [22:20] * victorporof thinks at stuff
  346. # [22:21] <@davidb> victorporof: would be nice to zap nodes
  347. # [22:22] <@davidb> click to destroy
  348. # [22:22] <victorporof> noted
  349. # [22:22] <@davidb> heheh
  350. # [22:22] <@davidb> victorporof: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/destroy-the-web/
  351. # [22:23] <victorporof> hah that's cool
  352. # [22:25] <@davidb> victorporof: so i want the combo :)
  353. # [22:25] <victorporof> file a bug!
  354. # [22:25] <@davidb> fine
  355. # [22:25] <@davidb> victorporof: what is your component?
  356. # [22:25] <victorporof> Developer Tools: Inspector
  357. # [22:26] <@davidb> alrighty
  358. # [22:27] <victorporof> thanks!
  359. # [22:31] <@davidb> victorporof: bug 715647
  360. # [22:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715647 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, I want to be able to remove nodes from the Tilt view
  361. # [22:32] <victorporof> awesome!
  362. # [22:38] <@davidb> ciao all!
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  367. # [23:50] <@firebot> neil@httl.net denied superreview for attachment 585550 on bug 698823.
  368. # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
  369. # Session Close: Fri Jan 06 00:00:00 2012

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