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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 22 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:36] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1124449 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  8. # [00:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1124449 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — teach IAccessible impl about proxy wrappers
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  18. # [00:59] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1124463 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  19. # [00:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1124463 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — suppress -Wunused warnings in IUNKNOWN impl macros
  20. # [01:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1124466 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  21. # [01:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1124466 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — RelationTypeMap lakes an entry for CONTAINING_WINDOW
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  61. # [11:31] <&MarcoZ> Good morning!
  62. # [11:33] <hhillen> Guten Morgen MarcoZ
  63. # [11:33] <SteveF> hey MarcoZ
  64. # [11:33] <&MarcoZ> Hi there hhillen and SteveF! :)
  65. # [11:33] <SteveF> MarcoZ: my beef is currently, I have to use DOM inspector addon to get at acc info
  66. # [11:34] <&MarcoZ> hhillen: Goedemorgen!
  67. # [11:35] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: I know, and it's not at all pleasant.
  68. # [11:35] <hhillen> Finally that IRC universal translator bot works! :)
  69. # [11:35] <&MarcoZ> Heh
  70. # [11:35] <SteveF> MarcoZ: could we not port the functionality into the firefox inpector tool?
  71. # [11:36] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: eeejay is interested in getting accessibility tools into the core dev tools, and that includes an accessibility inspector, of course.
  72. # [11:36] <hhillen> That would be great
  73. # [11:36] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: We can't just copy it over, because the new dev tools are written from the ground up. They aren't just a port of Firebug, either.
  74. # [11:37] <hhillen> How are the dev tools built exactly MarcoZ ?
  75. # [11:37] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: hhillen: The source for those is in the browser/devtools sub folder of the Mozilla source tree.
  76. # [11:37] <hhillen> Cool, I'll have a look
  77. # [11:37] <SteveF> MarcoZ: chrome is looking at implementing acc tools in their dev tools and we can't have firefox trailing... :-)
  78. # [11:38] <&MarcoZ> hhillen: They are being built as part of the regular Firefox build.
  79. # [11:38] <SteveF> and they already have chrome://accessibility acc tree dump
  80. # [11:38] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: I know. Problem is that we're much smaller than Google is, and now with Samsung also helping Google and throwing their hundreds ofmillions of dollars around easily, we're even more the underdog than we used to be. And I don't mean accessibility, I mean Firefox in general.
  81. # [11:39] <SteveF> MarcoZ: i get it
  82. # [11:40] <&MarcoZ> The main problem is not that we don't want to do it, but the manpower is spread thin in some areas. So as I said in DM: If you want to make us an offer of implementing it and would like ti funded, talk to us. The desire to have that is there. ;)
  83. # [11:41] <SteveF> MarcoZ: yes thanks, will get with hans on that
  84. # [11:41] <hhillen> We'll start by looking at the source and see how easy that is to work with
  85. # [11:41] <hhillen> and put together a wish list
  86. # [11:42] <&MarcoZ> hhillen: Fantastic! There are also already a couple of bugs filed for dev tools accessibility that cover existing areas for improvement, like keyboard accessibility of the element inspector etc.
  87. # [11:42] <SteveF> MarcoZ: i am the dreamer hans is the doer
  88. # [11:42] <&MarcoZ> And Jamie from the NVDA team has recently fixed some bugs in the web console to make it work much better.
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  91. # [11:46] <SteveF> MarcoZ; so lets knock heads at CSUN!
  92. # [11:47] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: Would like that! I arrive Monday evening, so Tuesday, the second workshop day, is not yet the whole show craziness. Are you running a workshop? If not, let's try to sit together, then.
  93. # [11:52] <hhillen> We have workshops on both days
  94. # [11:52] <hhillen> So maybe Tuesday evening
  95. # [11:54] <&MarcoZ> hhillen: Sounds good to me!
  96. # [11:54] <&MarcoZ> I have presentations on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, but am free until late Friday afternoon, which is when I'll leave for the airport again.
  97. # [11:54] <hhillen> Let's touch base a ahead of CSUN to confirm.
  98. # [11:55] <&MarcoZ> So if Tuesday evening wouldn't work out for some reason, we have some other possibilities.
  99. # [11:55] <&MarcoZ> Will do!
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  105. # [13:00] <aurelien_imac> Hi I have some trouble to make a rebase can somebody help me with the git commands ?
  106. # [13:00] <aurelien_imac> here is the commit
  107. # [13:00] <aurelien_imac> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/pull/26659
  108. # [13:02] <aurelien_imac> I've done the rebase locally but I don't see how to push it online as my github app now list me a long list of other commits to sync
  109. # [13:03] <&MarcoZ> aurelien_imac: Sorry, wrong channel, try #developers
  110. # [13:04] <aurelien_imac> ok thanks
  111. # [13:06] <&MarcoZ> aurelien_imac: Normally, yzen could help you, or eeejay, but both aren't awake yet, and I am not familiar with Git to help you with such an involved question.
  112. # [13:06] <&MarcoZ> So chances are in #developers there's someone knowledgeable awake now to help you out.
  113. # [13:07] <aurelien_imac> ok I will try or wait the eeejay or yzen
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  116. # [13:58] <aurelien_imac> someone help me on #developers so it's ok now
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  141. # [15:58] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb! :)
  142. # [15:58] <~davidb> heyo!
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  152. # [16:13] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1124681 filed by dtrebbien@gmail.com.
  153. # [16:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1124681 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] The checked state of a checkbox is not correctly exposed
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  158. # [16:22] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1124681 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
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  195. # [19:22] <@yzen> eeejay hi
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  204. # [19:44] <@yzen> eeejay: I just built b2g from source and something funny happens: when the screen reader is on, the pointer events do not seem to be blocked :S
  205. # [19:45] <eeejay> Crap
  206. # [19:46] <@yzen> but then my built might be broken .. let me try again
  207. # [19:46] <eeejay> Ok. Let me know
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  219. # [20:35] <@yzen> eeejay yeah looks like it's not blocking touch/mouse events
  220. # [20:35] <eeejay> yzen: yikes
  221. # [20:35] <eeejay> i haven't compiled b2g from source in a while
  222. # [20:35] <eeejay> looks like its time
  223. # [20:38] <@yzen> eeejay could also be the current state of gonk/gecko/gaia
  224. # [20:39] <eeejay> yzen: doing build.sh gecko doesn't work
  225. # [20:39] <eeejay> looks like they updated android version?
  226. # [20:40] <@yzen> do you mean -kk?
  227. # [20:44] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1124821 filed by dholbert@mozilla.com.
  228. # [20:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1124821 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyDestroyed(mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible*) when viewing article on forb
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  230. # [20:48] <@firebot> dholbert@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 1099153 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  231. # [20:48] <@firebot> dholbert@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 1099153 from Firefox to Core.
  232. # [20:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1099153 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyDestroyed(mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible*)
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  239. # [21:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1123842 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  240. # [21:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1123842 from --- to FIXED.
  241. # [21:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1123842 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  242. # [21:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox37 to fixed on bug 1123842.
  243. # [21:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1123842 from --- to mozilla37.
  244. # [21:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1123842 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — don't allow ipc accessibility to ride the 37 train
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  250. # [22:01] <tbsaunde> !summan surkov
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  253. # [22:03] <~davidb> and poof he appears
  254. # [22:03] <~davidb> surkov, tbsaunde was summoning you
  255. # [22:03] <@surkov> ok
  256. # [22:03] <tbsaunde> surkov: feel like debugging the thing where the hide is fired for an outerdoc before its doc goes away?
  257. # [22:03] <@surkov> not much honestly
  258. # [22:04] <tbsaunde> :(
  259. # [22:04] <@surkov> those are really craze stuff
  260. # [22:05] <@surkov> and iirc we have support for both ways
  261. # [22:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, but forbes.com sems to reproduce it fairly reliably, and it would be so nice to not have to deal with this weirdness
  262. # [22:06] <@surkov> it is but I don’t really feel up for that
  263. # [22:07] <tbsaunde> :"(
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  265. # [22:25] <@yzen> surkov hi
  266. # [22:25] <@surkov> yzen: hey
  267. # [22:25] <@yzen> surkov does GetAtomicRegion return the ancestor element that actually has aria-atomic set to true on it ?
  268. # [22:26] <@surkov> yzen: yes
  269. # [22:26] <@yzen> surkov but there's no way to use it from jsat right ?
  270. # [22:27] <@surkov> yzen: container-atomic?
  271. # [22:27] <@yzen> yes
  272. # [22:28] <@yzen> so lets say i have a show event on an element that is inside an atomic one, the accessible event's accessible will be the element itself, but i want to check if it has an atomic true parent , and i'm trying to avoid traversing the tree from jsat
  273. # [22:28] <@yzen> GetAtomicRegion looked like it would be useful if exposed
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  275. # [22:30] <@yzen> surkov would do you think ?
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  278. # [22:32] <@surkov> yzen: not sure I follow you, when you handle event then you can check if its target has container-atomic object attribute
  279. # [22:32] <@yzen> ohh
  280. # [22:32] <@yzen> i was wondering about that
  281. # [22:32] <@yzen> cool
  282. # [22:32] <@yzen> let me try
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  284. # [22:35] <@yzen> surkov so container-atomic will be true on the element that has aria-atomic="true" right ?
  285. # [22:35] <@surkov> yzen: right
  286. # [22:50] <@yzen> surkov ok that's not what i meant, conatiner-atomic seems to be true if accessible's ancestor has aria-atomic='true'
  287. # [22:50] <@surkov> yzen: right but?
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  289. # [22:51] <@yzen> surkov right so i'm actually interested to finding the container itself...
  290. # [22:51] <@surkov> got it
  291. # [22:52] <@surkov> not sure we have anythign rihgt now
  292. # [22:52] <@yzen> surkov side question if container-atomic="false" does it mean there might be even higher level one with container-atomic="true" ?
  293. # [22:52] <@yzen> surkov that's why i was wondering if it would make sense to make GetAtomicRegion public
  294. # [22:52] <@surkov> yzen: I don’t think we expose false value
  295. # [22:52] <@surkov> yzen: in what terms? via script?
  296. # [22:53] <@yzen> surkov well it's not part of nsIAccessible interface
  297. # [22:53] <@surkov> yzen: anyway you can new relation for that I think
  298. # [22:54] <@yzen> surkov create a new one ? or there's an existing one ?
  299. # [22:54] <@surkov> newo ne
  300. # [22:54] <@yzen> ahh and return the accessible from GetAtomicRegion?
  301. # [22:55] <@yzen> surkov ^
  302. # [22:55] <@surkov> right
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  304. # [22:56] <@yzen> surkov so the calculation is a bit tricky i think, from what i understand from the spec: if conatiner has aria-atomic="false" we stop and only report the changed part. if the container is 'true' we stop and report the whole region, BUT, from what i understand, if aria-atomic is not specified, we need to continue up the tree to see if there might be aria-atomic specified somewhere
  305. # [22:57] <@surkov> then you can just expose container having aria-atomic and then caller will check what he needs
  306. # [22:57] <@surkov> but what’s interesting we are looking internally for true values
  307. # [22:57] <@yzen> surkov actually i think GetAtomicRegion implementation is right
  308. # [22:57] <@surkov> maybe spec was changed from those times
  309. # [22:57] <@surkov> ok
  310. # [22:58] <@yzen> if true is found in the ancestry, we will get the region correctly, if it was false everywhere, or not specified we only report the changed part
  311. # [22:59] <@yzen> surkov ok ill add new relation for the atomic region
  312. # [22:59] <@surkov> ok, good
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