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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 29 00:00:01 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:04] <tbsaunde> smaug: so, basically the way to solve the child side issue is get recvShow()'s aData.ID() arguement, and consider that to be an address in the child process, and figure out where the accessible in the child process with that address came from, and why it getting created didn't result in a show event
  4. # [00:05] <tbsaunde> which is rather easy with rr since the address is constant between runs, otherwise I guess you need to use role / tree structure or something
  5. # [00:06] <smaug> right
  6. # [00:06] <smaug> well, we don't have this all in rr
  7. # [00:06] <smaug> (so far I haven't managed to reproduce the client side crash)
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  9. # [00:11] <tbsaunde> if it was easy I would have just done it ;)
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  29. # [03:15] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1126786 from --- to FIXED.
  30. # [03:15] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1126786 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  31. # [03:15] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1126786 from --- to mozilla38.
  32. # [03:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1126786 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — remove NS_DEBUG_X rudiment
  33. # [03:16] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1126541 from --- to FIXED.
  34. # [03:16] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1126541 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  35. # [03:16] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1126541 from --- to mozilla38.
  36. # [03:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1126541 — FIXED, dholbert@mozilla.com — fix implicit uint32_t to bool conversion in DocAccessibleParent::RecvShow return statement
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  339. # [15:30] <&MarcoZ> Good morning yzen!
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  343. # [15:32] <&MarcoZ> Good morning yzen_!
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  348. # [15:33] <~davidb> heyo!
  349. # [15:33] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  350. # [15:33] <&MarcoZ> davidb: News of the day: Chris Heilmann is joining Microsoft.
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  353. # [15:42] <~davidb> good timing
  354. # [15:42] <~davidb> since they are opening up more
  355. # [15:42] <~davidb> and can afford him :)
  356. # [15:43] <~davidb> they can afford [*]
  357. # [15:45] <&MarcoZ> Heh and I must admit I like a lot what is coming out of Microsoft lately. They've been releasing some good stuff, and their accessibility track record on many platforms is much better than, say, Google's.
  358. # [15:46] <~davidb> yeah i don't feel like hating on them anymore
  359. # [15:46] <&MarcoZ> and what I started noticing last year at CSUN seems to be continuing: Their spirit is changing, upbeat, a more friendly culture.
  360. # [15:46] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Definitely the same feeling!
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  363. # [15:48] <~davidb> glassdoor gives them a 3.7
  364. # [15:48] <~davidb> better than us :)
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  367. # [15:49] <~davidb> we need to change that
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  369. # [15:54] <&MarcoZ> What's glassdoor?
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  371. # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> davidb: ^
  372. # [15:55] <~davidb> MarcoZ, http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/microsoft-reviews-SRCH_KE0,9.htm
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  374. # [15:56] <~davidb> think of it as ratemyworkplace
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  376. # [15:56] <~davidb> they are positioning themselves as a job finder these days
  377. # [15:59] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Interesting...
  378. # [16:00] <~davidb> MarcoZ, yeah, i messaged up my concerns about trends shown there a while ago
  379. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> yzen_: Hi! Do you know the state of the current gesture breakage on Firefox OS Nightly? Seems to be affecting both 2.2 and 3.0 nightly builds. I mean the gestures not working.
  380. # [16:00] <~davidb> but we know we've had hard times
  381. # [16:01] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Were you heard?
  382. # [16:01] <@yzen_> MarcoZ i believe it's related to this : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1125422
  383. # [16:01] <@firebot> Bug 1125422 — NEW, botond@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Touch and mouse events are not blocked from content
  384. # [16:01] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i trust johnny
  385. # [16:01] <@yzen_> MarcoZ basically even propagation prevention is not working between parent child frames
  386. # [16:01] <~davidb> he'll do the right thing with the info
  387. # [16:02] <&MarcoZ> davidb: k...
  388. # [16:02] <@yzen_> MarcoZ im just working of a branch with the offending commit reverted but i m hoping it will soon be fixed in master
  389. # [16:02] <&MarcoZ> yzen_: OK, this looks like it's still going to be a while until it's fixed. Crap...I wanted to show off FF OS on Sunday at Fosdem. Wondering if I should put a 2.1 build onto the Flame instead.
  390. # [16:02] <~davidb> it isn't like c-level will say 'oh wow look at these glassdoor comments, change everything' ;)
  391. # [16:03] <@yzen_> MarcoZ were you going to build b2g yourself for that ?
  392. # [16:03] <&MarcoZ> yzen_: No I am currently not set up to build FF OS.
  393. # [16:03] <~davidb> MarcoZ, let's table this for next 1:1 :)
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  395. # [16:03] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Right!
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  397. # [16:04] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Didn't want to drag you into a discussion in the first place, originally just wanted to share the info about Chris Heilmann. ;)
  398. # [16:04] <~davidb> heheh
  399. # [16:04] <~davidb> i don't blame you
  400. # [16:04] <~davidb> i credit myself
  401. # [16:04] <~davidb> :)
  402. # [16:04] <&MarcoZ> :)
  403. # [16:04] <~davidb> MarcoZ, what is his role? did he blog...
  404. # [16:05] <~davidb> aha http://christianheilmann.com/2015/01/29/on-towards-my-next-challenge-2/
  405. # [16:08] <&MarcoZ> davidb: He did: http://christianheilmann.com/2015/01/29/on-towards-my-next-challenge-2/
  406. # [16:09] <~davidb> yeah I linked it already :)
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  409. # [16:13] <&MarcoZ> davidb: A lot of good stuff in that blog post.
  410. # [16:14] <~davidb> yes. a bit of it rubs me the wrong way and i'm introspecting.
  411. # [16:14] <&MarcoZ> BTW: I know Rey Bango whom he mentions. When I joined Mozilla, Rey was still with us, too.
  412. # [16:15] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Does it come as a surprise to you when I tell you that some of the Mozilla criticism in his post resonates with me? ;)
  413. # [16:15] <~davidb> no
  414. # [16:15] <~davidb> nor me
  415. # [16:16] <~davidb> i just find it ... in bad taste in a blog
  416. # [16:16] <~davidb> but i know that is just my opinion
  417. # [16:16] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I believe he fought those fithts internally in the past already. I don't think anything in there hasn't been said before, and those in charge know it.
  418. # [16:17] <&MarcoZ> There comes a point in a struggle where you swallow and suphocate, or you put it out in the open. And he chose to do the latter.
  419. # [16:18] <~davidb> i respect that view point
  420. # [16:18] <~davidb> to truly appreciate it i'd want to believe he is doing it for the greater good, but i don't know is that is the true motivation
  421. # [16:19] <~davidb> but no point speculating
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  424. # [16:19] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I have a certain feeling about that, and that comes from the fact that I saw him talk sometimes and know him in person, even knew him when he was still at Yahoo!.
  425. # [16:20] <~davidb> I read it as frustration.
  426. # [16:20] <SteveF> davidb: but you are a person of utmost taste and distinction, difficult bar to rise to
  427. # [16:20] <~davidb> lol
  428. # [16:20] <~davidb> and you sir are a liart
  429. # [16:20] <~davidb> -t
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  431. # [16:22] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, there *is* frustration in there, but I think it's because he cares so deeply for what Mozilla stands for, and felt let down one too many times. I'm speculating, too, but that's how I read it.
  432. # [16:22] <~davidb> me too
  433. # [16:22] <~davidb> it might actually do some good in the end
  434. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> We'll see. :)
  435. # [16:24] <~davidb> SteveF, what's new?
  436. # [16:26] <SteveF> davidb: custom elements kerfuffles, getting ready for CSUN, pissing random people off, just turned 51, writing articles, doing talks, kid wrangling, the usual
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  438. # [16:26] <~davidb> yeah Happy Birthday (belated)
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  443. # [16:29] <SteveF> yeah, 50 fucking 1
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  445. # [16:31] <~davidb> respect
  446. # [16:33] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: Really? I thought you were 10 years younger. Thought I remembered hearing that we're roughly the same age.
  447. # [16:33] <SteveF> MarcoZ: well like you, I am devilishly hansome :-)
  448. # [16:34] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: No doubt about that, mate! :)
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  451. # [16:37] <~davidb> MarcoZ, I remember Rey too, I met him before I was hired full time, in the building before Castro. He was very friendly.
  452. # [16:38] <~davidb> and through jquery IIRC
  453. # [16:40] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yes Rey and I spent quite some time together at the first Mozilla summit in Whistler in 2008 talking about the chances our Ubiquity project might have for accessibility. Something that never went anywhere really.
  454. # [16:40] <&MarcoZ> Ubiquity was something like a natural language control of the browser and other web stuff, but it never took off beyond the proof of concept stage.
  455. # [16:40] <~davidb> I remember it well
  456. # [16:41] <&MarcoZ> Heh, seems Yahoo! are liking our search deal. marissa Mayer is making Apple another offer and are using our deal as an incentive. ;) http://www.thestreet.com/story/13025501/11/yahoo-inc-yhoo-earnings-report-q4-2014-conference-call-transcript.html
  457. # [16:41] <~davidb> I met Jono at Seneca doing a talk about it in 2007?
  458. # [16:41] <~davidb> Jono DiCarlo IIRC
  459. # [16:41] <&MarcoZ> Yup.
  460. # [16:41] <~davidb> I was sad to see him go
  461. # [16:42] <&MarcoZ> Me too.
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  465. # [16:43] <~davidb> "Labs" had a hard time here.
  466. # [16:44] <&MarcoZ> Yup. At one time they were the driving force behind new features, but later fell by the way side badly.
  467. # [16:44] <~davidb> Which features stuck?
  468. # [16:44] <&MarcoZ> They laid the ground work for what we now know as web apps.
  469. # [16:45] <~davidb> Did it have a name?
  470. # [16:45] <&MarcoZ> And some of the very early social API work was done by them, some services to be included in the browser. Before it became Social API, this went through several more traditional incarnations of just sharing mechanisms.
  471. # [16:45] <&MarcoZ> The web apps thing was called Prism I believe.
  472. # [16:45] <~davidb> (And by the way, I don't know if "Labs" type activity needs to produce stuff that sticks to be called useful.)
  473. # [16:46] <&MarcoZ> And I don't remember the code name for the Social one.
  474. # [16:46] <~davidb> Prism sounds right
  475. # [16:46] <~davidb> That was a very old project
  476. # [16:46] <~davidb> probably 10ish years ago?
  477. # [16:46] <&MarcoZ> And Sync had its infancy in Labs.
  478. # [16:46] <~davidb> yeah
  479. # [16:46] <~davidb> Weave
  480. # [16:47] <&MarcoZ> Yes, Labs was at one point, when I started, the incubator for later Firefox features. They were developed and initially stabilized there before then introduced into the core code.
  481. # [16:47] <~davidb> Prism was formerly Web Runner
  482. # [16:48] <~davidb> I had the impression Labs projects where prototypes that were rewritten.
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  484. # [16:49] <~davidb> Google gears was around the same time period I think
  485. # [16:50] <&MarcoZ> In some cases this was true, in others it was more of a transfer.
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  489. # [16:50] <~davidb> ok
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  491. # [16:52] <&MarcoZ> This was still when we were the only real browser force. the onset and massive success of Chrome changed a lot of that. We were no longer the hunters, but became the hunted.
  492. # [16:52] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, most of the ones that were not probably should have been
  493. # [16:53] <~davidb> tbsaunde, I've heard that from others.
  494. # [16:53] <~davidb> Some of that might be unfair.
  495. # [16:53] <~davidb> MarcoZ, true.
  496. # [16:54] <~davidb> Rapid labs type development probably lacks patch review cycle by nature.
  497. # [16:54] <&MarcoZ> Mmm or they aren't as thorough.
  498. # [16:55] <~davidb> yeah at least
  499. # [16:55] <~davidb> regressions not scary
  500. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> davidb: I think that's just a statement of fact? being research quality is fine for research
  501. # [16:56] * davidb changes topic to 'build the web for everyone'
  502. # [16:57] <~davidb> right
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  505. # [17:00] <~davidb> (i suspect they are in fact on the way eventually)
  506. # [17:01] <~davidb> wrong window :)
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  523. # [17:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 786143 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  524. # [17:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 786143 from REOPENED to ASSIGNED.
  525. # [17:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/786143 — ASSIGNED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — inherit aria-hidden through subtree
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  532. # [17:58] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1127402 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  533. # [17:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1127402 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — implement proxying relations
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  667. # [23:18] * Quits: maxli (maxli@moz-h8kluf.cs.uwaterloo.ca) (Quit: Leaving.)
  668. # [23:21] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-v8g78c.cpe.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
  669. # [23:21] * Quits: ivan` (ivan@moz-c30.r7c.241.192.IP) (RecvQ exceeded)
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  676. # [23:33] * Quits: ~davidb (davidb@moz-2h0ov9.dsl.bell.ca) (Quit: Blah blah blah)
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  678. # [23:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  679. # [23:36] * Quits: ivan` (ivan@moz-c30.r7c.241.192.IP) (RecvQ exceeded)
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  682. # [23:44] * Quits: newtron (newtron@moz-6lh.c31.71.199.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  683. # [23:44] * Joins: ivan` (ivan@moz-c30.r7c.241.192.IP)
  684. # [23:46] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-v8g78c.cpe.teksavvy.com) (Client exited)
  685. # [23:52] * Quits: ivan` (ivan@moz-c30.r7c.241.192.IP) (RecvQ exceeded)
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  688. # Session Close: Fri Jan 30 00:00:00 2015

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