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  1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 09 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  15. # [09:58] <@firebot> lixia@mgsei.com requested needinfo from mzehe@mozilla.com on bug 1086545.
  16. # [09:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1086545 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Speech sometimes gets interrupted when swiping and it is supposed to speak the newly focu
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  31. # [10:33] <@firebot> alice0775@yahoo.co.jp changed the Component on bug 1129215 from General to Disability Access.
  32. # [10:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1129215 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] Magnify Window Does Not Follow element and/or text insert point of content area
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  82. # [15:27] <@yzen> MarcoZ good morning
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  84. # [15:34] <&MarcoZ> Good morning yzen! :)
  85. # [15:35] <@yzen> MarcoZ so the speech disappearing bug, i looked at the video
  86. # [15:35] <&MarcoZ> yzen: OK..
  87. # [15:35] <@yzen> it looks like in most cases the issue is that the keyboard becomes hidden after the continuos EBT on it
  88. # [15:35] <@yzen> so i guess the speech bug is caused by the incorrect blurring of the keyboard somehow
  89. # [15:36] <&MarcoZ> Yeah the keyboard issue may be related, but the stuff on the home screen is definitely what I'm seeing, too. And the keyboard indeed does have some weird behavior, which I also filed bugs for in recent months.
  90. # [15:37] <&MarcoZ> yzen: So I can just swipe through the home screen and reproduce the bug on the Flame easily. Interestingly, not on the ZTE Open C if I put a community built Nightly onto it. It's specifically the Flame that seems to exhibit this behavior. And yes this was the case even before the current touch exploration bug in bug 1125422.
  91. # [15:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1125422 — NEW, bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com — [AccessFu] Touch and mouse events are not blocked from content
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  93. # [15:39] <@yzen> MarcoZ interesting, so another observation i had from the video is that on homescreen, the test managed to get into a state where a large number of app links was not rendered at all, perhaps that's what you were experiencing
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  97. # [15:48] <&MarcoZ> yzen: I don't know. I can't visually verify that. I can still find them when exploring, or when swiping forward and backward, it then gets spoken.
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  99. # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Heyo! 1:1 in about 2 mins?
  100. # [15:58] <~davidb> yes!
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  108. # [17:06] <~davidb> tbsaunde, want to chat?
  109. # [17:07] <tbsaunde> davidb: up to you
  110. # [17:07] <~davidb> then yes
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  112. # [17:13] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 1130997 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  113. # [17:13] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro changed the Product on bug 1130997 from Firefox to Core.
  114. # [17:13] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 1130997 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  115. # [17:13] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1130997 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Ctrl + Right Arrow doesn't work on line end on *some* websites
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  121. # [17:51] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i was wrong, lunch is not soup
  122. # [17:53] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok
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  131. # [19:03] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 1130904 from Event Handling to Disability Access APIs.
  132. # [19:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1130904 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — EVENT_OBJECT_VALUECHANGE not fired on Nightly 64bit / Windows 8.1
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  136. # [19:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 1129955.
  137. # [19:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-b2g-v2.2 to fixed on bug 1129955.
  138. # [19:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-b2g-v3.0 to fixed on bug 1129955.
  139. # [19:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox36 to wontfix on bug 1129955.
  140. # [19:51] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox37 to wontfix on bug 1129955.
  141. # [19:51] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1129955 — FIXED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Expose name changed event for currently focused accessible.
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  163. # [22:05] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i wonder if Proxy() should be ProxyFor()
  164. # [22:09] <tbsaunde> why?
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  169. # [22:13] <~davidb> tbsaunde, because you pass in something and get a proxy for it?
  170. # [22:13] <~davidb> hello firebot
  171. # [22:13] <@firebot> davidb
  172. # [22:14] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh, I guess I was thinking of a different method, which one do you mean?
  173. # [22:14] <~davidb> i lied, you don't pass in anything, there is an implicit 'this'
  174. # [22:14] <smaug> is it possible to enable gnome's a11y stuff for one app only?
  175. # [22:14] <smaug> (screen reader)
  176. # [22:14] <~davidb> tbsaunde, so yeah nm
  177. # [22:15] <~davidb> smaug, i'm not sure
  178. # [22:15] <~davidb> joanie would know
  179. # [22:16] <joanie> one app only?
  180. # [22:16] <~davidb> yeah
  181. # [22:16] <joanie> is the app an AT or not?
  182. # [22:16] <~davidb> smaug, meet joanie, orca maintainer, joanie meet smaug, a dragon of lore
  183. # [22:16] <joanie> but regardless, I think the short answer is no
  184. # [22:16] <joanie> but I'm willing to listen and think :)
  185. # [22:16] <~davidb> 'not' i thnk
  186. # [22:17] <~davidb> he probably wants the other apps to shut up :)
  187. # [22:17] <joanie> other apps being?
  188. # [22:17] <joanie> I need context, sorry
  189. # [22:17] * ~davidb shrugs
  190. # [22:17] <tbsaunde> well, you could set the default volume to 0 and then set it to something useful for that one app, but that's not exactly on / off
  191. # [22:17] <joanie> so we're talking about orca and speech?
  192. # [22:17] <tbsaunde> joanie: context is you want to use ff with screen reader, but not stuff on desktop
  193. # [22:18] <smaug> joanie: right
  194. # [22:18] <smaug> I'd like to enable speech stuff for one particular instance of Firefox
  195. # [22:18] <joanie> and do you want Orca to not speak (but might continue processing)?
  196. # [22:18] <joanie> i.e. is it an annoyance thing (stfu) or something else?
  197. # [22:19] <smaug> joanie: I'd like to get screen reader functionality for that program only
  198. # [22:19] <smaug> joanie: this is for development
  199. # [22:19] <joanie> why not toggle orca on and off when you needed
  200. # [22:19] <joanie> Super Alt S
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  202. # [22:22] <smaug> well, that helps, but still not quite what I'd like to have
  203. # [22:22] <smaug> I mean, when switching programs
  204. # [22:22] <smaug> I get all the stuff from Gnome UI
  205. # [22:22] <joanie> all the stuff == speech output?
  206. # [22:23] <joanie> or processing, etc.?
  207. # [22:23] <smaug> so I need to switch off, alt-tab...do something with other programs... alt-tab, switch-on
  208. # [22:23] <joanie> i.e. Orca modifier + S shuts speech up
  209. # [22:23] <smaug> joanie: right
  210. # [22:23] <joanie> Orca will keep processing
  211. # [22:23] <joanie> but not spew tts
  212. # [22:23] <joanie> is *that* what you want?
  213. # [22:25] <smaug> joanie: I'd like to be able get any speech output only when a certain instance of Firefox is the foremost program
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  215. # [22:26] <joanie> and the rest of the time Orca should a) Happily process accessibility events, but not actually speak; b) terminate; c) something else?
  216. # [22:27] <smaug> joanie: hmm, good question..
  217. # [22:27] <joanie> well, when you know what it is you want, perhaps I will be in a better position to help you
  218. # [22:27] <joanie> :)
  219. # [22:27] <smaug> joanie: maybe just not speak
  220. # [22:28] <smaug> actually, it shouldn't process any a11y events from other programs
  221. # [22:28] <smaug> or Gnome UI
  222. # [22:28] <joanie> then you really want Orca to quit/terminate
  223. # [22:28] <smaug> ah
  224. # [22:28] <joanie> if you also mean stop processing
  225. # [22:28] <joanie> so for that, Alt+Super+S
  226. # [22:28] <smaug> and reinstantiate it when Firefox is focused again?
  227. # [22:28] <joanie> at first it might seem inconvenient
  228. # [22:28] <joanie> yup!
  229. # [22:29] <joanie> but trust me, you'll start getting good at it
  230. # [22:29] <smaug> :)
  231. # [22:29] <joanie> and your environment spews tons of a11y events
  232. # [22:29] <smaug> right
  233. # [22:29] <joanie> whether you're in the app or not
  234. # [22:29] <joanie> so if you really want to quit orca and turn it on just in a given ff window
  235. # [22:29] <joanie> alt+super+s
  236. # [22:30] * tbsaunde wonders what smaug is testing
  237. # [22:30] <smaug> tbsaunde: just FF
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  239. # [22:31] <joanie> and if you don't have the latest Orca, quite a bit changed last cycle wrt Firefox support
  240. # [22:31] <smaug> tbsaunde: but I really don't care about Gnome's UI in this case
  241. # [22:31] <tbsaunde> smaug: of course
  242. # [22:31] <~davidb> (this reminds me... at some point we should get around to putting gecko a11y to sleep when no consumers are detected for a while)
  243. # [22:32] <tbsaunde> I'm not sure that's either possible or particularly desirable
  244. # [22:35] <tbsaunde> well, I guess it might not cause trouble?
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  247. # [22:39] <~davidb> smaug, surkov uses DOMi to instantiate a11y in FF for testing
  248. # [22:40] <smaug> davidb: oh, I can easily start a11y, it is mainly about switching to other programs
  249. # [22:41] <smaug> alt+tab is quite hard in the muscle memory
  250. # [22:41] <smaug> (if that is the way to say it in English )
  251. # [22:42] <~davidb> close enough
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  263. # [23:09] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1131291 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
  264. # [23:09] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1131291 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent run-by-dir test_lineboundary.html | getTextBeforeOffset (line end): wrong text (got '',
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