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  68. # [13:59] <~davidb> heyo
  69. # [14:00] <~davidb> !seen MarcoZ
  70. # [14:00] <@firebot> marcoz was last seen 9 days and 23 hours ago, saying 'Good morning!' in #accessibility.
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  105. # [18:51] <SteveF> surkov: hi could you have a look at https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=467501 noting that firefox does not allow children to override aria-disabled=true
  106. # [18:52] <SteveF> surkov: wondering whether that is by design/constraint and if/if not I should file a bug?
  107. # [18:52] <@surkov> SteveF: hi, what spec says?
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  109. # [18:53] <SteveF> on firefox or aria spec
  110. # [18:53] <@surkov> aria spec
  111. # [18:53] <SteveF> surkov: spec is unclear so needs to be clarified, I asked rich he said it should be allowed
  112. # [18:54] <@surkov> SteveF: I don’t have strong opinion on this but it’d be good to have spec clear on it
  113. # [18:54] <@surkov> it’s a bit strange with me that disabled contains not disabled items
  114. # [18:55] <@surkov> SteveF: maybe it’s worth to start thread on ARIA mail list?
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  116. # [19:00] <SteveF> surkov: yes will do
  117. # [19:00] <SteveF> surkov: thanks!
  118. # [19:01] <SteveF> surkov: may be of interest
  119. # [19:01] <SteveF> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/03/16/web-accessibility-with-accessibility-api/
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  123. # [19:04] <@surkov> thanks!
  124. # [19:13] <~davidb_> SteveF, fwiw i agree with "it’s a bit strange with me that disabled contains not disabled items"
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  126. # [19:13] <~davidb> (i'd guess AT folks would agree)
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  129. # [19:17] <SteveF> davidb: will get on list feedback and see what pops up
  130. # [19:18] * ~davidb nods
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  160. # [21:19] <Funktr0n> yzen: you around?
  161. # [21:19] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah
  162. # [21:20] <Funktr0n> yzen: okay, working on bug 1135233 and had a question about strategy
  163. # [21:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1135233 — NEW, bugzilla@imross.com — [Accessibility] Utility tray statusbar-tray is inaccessible.
  164. # [21:22] <Funktr0n> yzen: it seems to me that there are a few different ways we can go here. we can try to use tabindex to reset the order of the statusbar-tray items OR we can duplicate the elements being used as the -moz-background and insert them into the new spot
  165. # [21:22] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes so what happens there is that we just display an element with -moz-element style on it (which just reflects the status bar as a background). What we need to do is: 1) figure out if we suppose to show maximized or minimized status bar in utility tray (i think it's min) 2) when the utility tray is opened, ensure that we show that status bar on screen
  166. # [21:23] <@yzen> Funktr0n we actually keep rendering the real status bar but have it off screen (or with no visibility) but instead when the utility tray opening transition is finished we need to place the status bar back where it belongs
  167. # [21:24] <Funktr0n> yzen: right but that messes up the ordering
  168. # [21:24] <@yzen> Funktr0n ah the tab index ?
  169. # [21:24] <Funktr0n> yzen: the date gets read AFTER the icons
  170. # [21:24] <Funktr0n> yzen because the icons actually appear before the date in the DOM
  171. # [21:25] <Funktr0n> yzen so I was thinking we could use tabindex?
  172. # [21:25] <@yzen> Funktr0n i think that would be a different bug though, we had that issue before even
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  174. # [21:25] <Funktr0n> yzen Oh, so this one's a little simpler than I was thinking
  175. # [21:25] <@yzen> Funktr0n tabindex is one but i think we might consider implementing some support for aria-owns or something like that in AccessFu
  176. # [21:25] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah, this main issue is about simply getting access to the status bar
  177. # [21:26] <Funktr0n> yzen and in particular, you're talking about seeing the VC, right?
  178. # [21:26] <Funktr0n> yzen because right now you can still navigate to the items (they're just off screen)
  179. # [21:26] <@yzen> Funktr0n seeing the VC as well as being able to explore the icons by touch
  180. # [21:27] <Funktr0n> yzen you can actually navigate to things UNDERNEATH the status tray (like the rocket bar)
  181. # [21:27] <Funktr0n> yzen right, got it
  182. # [21:28] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah those issues around being able to navigate where we're not supposed to are a pain, we would have to fix all of them at some point, but with the statusbar and other system components, as a rule i try to make patches as small as possible or you risk some regression
  183. # [21:28] <@yzen> especially when solving issues around css visibility/transitions etc
  184. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> yzen okay, yeah, was just about to ask: as a rule of thumb, when should I think "big" about changes that need to be made in a bug vs. thinking "small" and only sticking to the listed issues. I know in the past we've gone beyond the call of duty so to speak but also recently, I've tried to be a little more comprehensive and found that not to be the best choice
  185. # [21:32] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah, i had some 1 line changes in system (around statusbar) that would cause 2-3 follow up regressions and then would have pretty big changes with less of a negative impact :S
  186. # [21:32] <Funktr0n> yzen so visibility and/or high-utility system items are just a "touchy subject"?
  187. # [21:32] <@yzen> Funktr0n for sure
  188. # [21:33] <Funktr0n> yzen Ok, understand now
  189. # [21:33] <@yzen> Funktr0n you ll also have much less of a push back from module owners about the changes if they are small
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