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  1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 24 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:40] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1141978 from --- to FIXED.
  7. # [00:40] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1141978 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  8. # [00:41] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox39 to fixed on bug 1141978.
  9. # [00:41] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1141978 from --- to mozilla39.
  10. # [00:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1141978 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Support rowgroup and colgroup HTML scope
  11. # [01:20] <@firebot> sku@mozilla.com requested needinfo from sku@mozilla.com on bug 1145724.
  12. # [01:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1145724 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash in mozilla::a11y::TreeWalker::TreeWalker
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  16. # [02:22] <@eeejay> surkov: ping?
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  18. # [03:30] <@surkov> eeejay: pong
  19. # [03:31] <@eeejay> surkov: hey, i have a question about canvas a11y
  20. # [03:31] <@surkov> sure
  21. # [03:32] <@eeejay> surkov: to get an accessible object, i need to pass the 'control' option in addHitRegion?
  22. # [03:32] <@eeejay> surkov: role/label is not enough?
  23. # [03:32] <@eeejay> s/get/make it/
  24. # [03:32] <@surkov> eeejay: if you read the spec then I think this part is not implemented
  25. # [03:33] <@eeejay> surkov: ok. but ideally, that would be possible
  26. # [03:33] <@surkov> maybe yes
  27. # [03:34] <@surkov> eeejay: I think I like more JS approach https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebAccessibilityAPI
  28. # [03:34] <@surkov> but what you say that’s basically same but role + name only is too restrictive
  29. # [03:35] <@eeejay> how is that related?
  30. # [03:36] <@eeejay> surkov: i like that api
  31. # [03:36] <@surkov> cool
  32. # [03:36] <@surkov> eeejay: it’d be good to have you to join at some point
  33. # [03:36] <@eeejay> i probably will have some more opinions on the traversal api
  34. # [03:36] <@surkov> that’s also cool
  35. # [03:36] <@surkov> I’m not sure I like current traversal
  36. # [03:37] <@eeejay> surkov: and yeah, the challenge is the OOP message passing
  37. # [03:38] <@surkov> yeah, that’s mostly unfamliar area with me
  38. # [03:38] <@surkov> Dominic also pointed out to this
  39. # [03:39] <@eeejay> yes
  40. # [03:39] <@eeejay> i'm trying to make the react-canvas listview accessible
  41. # [03:41] <@surkov> and you don’t want to put DOM nodes inside?
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  71. # [11:50] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi changed the Assignee on bug 1146615 from nobody@mozilla.org to bugs@pettay.fi.
  72. # [11:50] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi changed the Assignee on bug 1145366 from nobody@mozilla.org to bugs@pettay.fi.
  73. # [11:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1146615 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — IPC Proxy for HyperText
  74. # [11:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1145366 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — IPC Proxy for HyperLink
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  76. # [11:57] <smaug> tbsaunde: I'm sure you're awake already and want to review Bug 1146615 real quickly :)
  77. # [11:57] <smaug> (it just happens to be in my queue atm)
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  100. # [13:43] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! This integrating subrole into the role map thing turns out to be rather difficult. There are many role/subrole combinations for seemingly similar concepts, but different enough that we could end up with many more role map entries at the end. Article, document, application in HTML and elsewhere, etc.
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  103. # [13:56] <@surkov> MarcoZ: do you have a wip to look?
  104. # [13:56] <@surkov> hi
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  107. # [14:02] <&MarcoZ> surkov: I am in the middle of joggling around stuff, or rather trying to get the role map augmented with subroles, but am hitting problems even in the first 20 or 30 roles already, since they are being used for multiple purposes. role document, for example, is used for various things, but when it comes to subroles, each document type is different. HTML document, article, role" document" etc.
  108. # [14:02] <&MarcoZ> So I actually stopped work yesterday when I realised that this might not be the right solution after all, and wanted to talk to you first.
  109. # [14:03] <@surkov> you may extend roles or make something conditional, it’s hard to say because I didn’t look at the problem
  110. # [14:04] <@surkov> can you point me a problem in code?
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  112. # [14:07] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Just look at how many things we map to Roles::document, for example, in AriaMap. And then look at the list in the Webkit source I posted, and see that these have a shared role of NSAccessibilityGroupRole, but different sub groups. However, we also map a whole document to Roles::document, and that has a totally different role and sub role on Mac.
  113. # [14:08] <@surkov> ARIAMap may have own subrole stuff
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  115. # [14:10] <&MarcoZ> surkov: OK, yeah that might work.
  116. # [14:11] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Let me play with this over the next few days, will take a while before I get this right I think.
  117. # [14:11] <@surkov> ok, cool
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  125. # [14:36] <~davidb> heyo
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  133. # [15:52] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  134. # [15:52] <~davidb> hi hi
  135. # [15:52] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Threw the first iOS a11y bugs at the crew today.
  136. # [15:52] <~davidb> :)
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  142. # [16:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1146229 from --- to FIXED.
  143. # [16:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1146229 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  144. # [16:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox39 to fixed on bug 1146229.
  145. # [16:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1146229 from --- to mozilla39.
  146. # [16:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1146229 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — Compiler warning C4229 in xpcAccessibleTable.cpp
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  151. # [17:05] <@eeejay> yzen: is try back? its hard to understand from the ml
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  155. # [17:28] <@yzen> eeejay no, but autolander runs all tests
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  162. # [18:59] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1128751 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  163. # [18:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1128751 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — [e10s] content process crash (abort?) when viewing article on forbes.com, with " ###!!! ASSERTION: n
  164. # [19:00] <~davidb> tbsaunde, rebinding to the same parent or different parent?
  165. # [19:00] * ~davidb is sort of fuzzy on what rebinding means
  166. # [19:00] * ~davidb reads patch
  167. # [19:02] <~davidb> oh ProxyCreated was getting called too much?
  168. # [19:03] <tbsaunde> davidb: no, what'd happen is you'd create a new actor for the old document
  169. # [19:04] <tbsaunde> then that new actor wouldn't know about preexisting accessibles in the document
  170. # [19:04] <satdav> davidb: Hi I sent a contributor to you about ally so aware she wants to get involved in ally for linux
  171. # [19:05] <~davidb> satdav, ok
  172. # [19:05] * ~davidb scrolls the patch up and down
  173. # [19:08] <~davidb> TIL DebugOnly<bool>
  174. # [19:10] <~davidb> tbsaunde, DebugOnly means the variable and assignment are for debug only and the RHS is always exectued?
  175. # [19:10] <~davidb> must be
  176. # [19:11] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, its bool accept you shouldn't get unused var warnings
  177. # [19:11] <~davidb> good
  178. # [19:15] <~davidb> tbsaunde, se we can SendBindChildDoc off of the refresh driver. are we guaranteed that RecvBindChildDoc happens before the next WillRefresh?
  179. # [19:15] <~davidb> se/so
  180. # [19:16] <~davidb> (otherwise we might AppendElement(aChildDoc) more than once?)
  181. # [19:17] <tbsaunde> davidb: no
  182. # [19:18] <~davidb> no to which?
  183. # [19:18] <tbsaunde> but I'd think for that to happen the doc would have to get bound then unbound again and then rebound
  184. # [19:18] <tbsaunde> there's no guarentee about when parent gets meesages
  185. # [19:19] <~davidb> i'd like to think that too
  186. # [19:19] <~davidb> ok
  187. # [19:19] <tbsaunde> but that's ok because messages should stay in order
  188. # [19:19] <~davidb> good
  189. # [19:19] <~davidb> this looks ok to me then. i'll go over it again...
  190. # [19:20] <tbsaunde> yeah, that this happens is kind of unfortunate
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  192. # [19:26] <~davidb> tbsaunde, why does it happen?
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  197. # [19:37] * smaug wonders... would it make sense to land ipc proxy for table separately from the atk parts
  198. # [19:38] <smaug> at least separate patches
  199. # [19:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1147079 filed by bugs@pettay.fi.
  200. # [19:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1147079 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — IPC Proxy for Table
  201. # [19:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1147080 filed by bugs@pettay.fi.
  202. # [19:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1147080 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — IPC Proxy support for Table in Atk backend
  203. # [19:48] <tbsaunde> smaug: up to you
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  205. # [19:50] <~davidb> clown_mtg, i wish the contrast was better on https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
  206. # [19:51] * ~davidb can't read the light green on gray
  207. # [19:51] <~davidb> (yes yes i know, world's smallest violin etc)
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  233. # [22:52] <smaug> is there some testing framework for programs using atk
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  235. # [22:53] <tbsaunde> smaug: not really
  236. # [22:53] <tbsaunde> smaug: there's accerciser
  237. # [22:54] <tbsaunde> and there's some automated thing you can write tests in, but we don't have any for gecko
  238. # [22:54] <tbsaunde> I've wanted something real, but its never been enough of a priority (so much can be tested from js)
  239. # [22:54] <tbsaunde> accept e10s kind of breaks that :(
  240. # [22:55] <smaug> right
  241. # [22:55] <smaug> would be nice to be able to run tests for e10s and non-e10s and verify that the behavior is the same...
  242. # [22:56] <tbsaunde> yeah, though I suspect there's various mutation cases where it just can't be
  243. # [22:56] <tbsaunde> though having static stuff say the same would be nice to prove
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  246. # [23:05] <smaug> tbsaunde: how should I be able test selection handling
  247. # [23:05] <smaug> perhaps I need the hyperlink stuff working, since that seems to be causing warnings and assertions
  248. # [23:06] <smaug> oh, hmm
  249. # [23:06] <smaug> though, even in non-e10s I have no idea how to test it
  250. # [23:06] * Parts: fredw (Icedove@moz-7gtdsj.fbx.proxad.net)
  251. # [23:08] <smaug> well, I can get orca to enter some endless "unselected" loop
  252. # [23:09] * wlach is now known as wlach|afk
  253. # [23:10] <tbsaunde> smaug: in non e10s you should be able to use keyboard nav tab / arrows / control tab and it should read stuff
  254. # [23:10] <tbsaunde> in e10s it reads the window title every time you hit tab
  255. # [23:10] <smaug> nav tab
  256. # [23:10] <smaug> what does that mean?
  257. # [23:11] <tbsaunde> one thing I realized is we need to update get_mai_interfacesfor or the proxy equiv
  258. # [23:11] <tbsaunde> smaug: associate other way "keyboard navigation"
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  260. # [23:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1147168 filed by bugs@pettay.fi.
  261. # [23:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1147168 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — IPC Proxy for Selection
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  265. # Session Close: Wed Mar 25 00:00:00 2015

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