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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 13 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  18. # [05:01] <Funktr0n> eeejay: are you around by any chance?
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  20. # [06:12] <eeejay> Funktr0n: yo
  21. # [06:13] <eeejay> Funktr0n: getting primed for GoT
  22. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> eeejay, hey!
  23. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> eeejay: what's GoT?
  24. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> eeejay: nevermind
  25. # [06:13] <eeejay> I'll pretend you didn't ask that
  26. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> LOL
  27. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> I figured it out like 5 seconds later
  28. # [06:13] <Funktr0n> thought it was Mozilla related
  29. # [06:14] <Funktr0n> but then...
  30. # [06:14] <Funktr0n> ANYWAY
  31. # [06:14] <Funktr0n> umm, I took at that bug
  32. # [06:14] <eeejay> yeah?
  33. # [06:15] <Funktr0n> yeah... so I guess my first questions are: What triggers a "name change" event and what triggers a "value change" event?
  34. # [06:15] <eeejay> Funktr0n: from the content perspective?
  35. # [06:15] <Funktr0n> eeejay: Yeah, I guess so
  36. # [06:15] <eeejay> Funktr0n: anytime the accessibility engine needs to recalculate and change the name, it should get fired
  37. # [06:16] <Funktr0n> eeejay: but do you specifically mean the "name" attribute or does the "aria-label" attribute qualify here?
  38. # [06:16] <eeejay> Funktr0n: so if <button id="foo">hello</button>
  39. # [06:16] <eeejay> $('foo').textContent = 'bye'
  40. # [06:16] <eeejay> thats a name change
  41. # [06:16] <eeejay> Funktr0n: anything that would affect the name
  42. # [06:17] <eeejay> Funktr0n: aria-label included
  43. # [06:17] <Funktr0n> eeejay: interesting... so "name" is the "spoken name" in this context
  44. # [06:18] <eeejay> Funktr0n: yeah, one sec
  45. # [06:19] <Funktr0n> eeejay: and "value" is the same situation? Just what the "spoken value" would be after all things were taken into account?
  46. # [06:20] <eeejay> Funktr0n: value is simpler. it should just be the value attribute
  47. # [06:20] <eeejay> Funktr0n: or aria-valuetext
  48. # [06:20] <eeejay> would take precedent, i guess
  49. # [06:21] <eeejay> Funktr0n: here is a doc about name change calculation: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-aapi-20110414/#calc
  50. # [06:21] <Funktr0n> eeejay: okay and that's how it currently works or that's how it's supposed to work?
  51. # [06:22] <eeejay> Funktr0n: the tl;dr is that the name depends on the node's subtree, title, alt, aria-label, aria-labelledby, <label for=''>.. etc
  52. # [06:23] <eeejay> Funktr0n: for the sake of the patch you are working in it doesn't matter. You should trust that the a11y engine gives you an appropriate event when the name changes
  53. # [06:23] <Funktr0n> eeejay: okay yeah, that's really what I was asking
  54. # [06:24] <Funktr0n> eeejay: I just wasn't sure what exactly those events were tied to, or if additional work needed to be done elsewhere
  55. # [06:25] <Funktr0n> eeejay: there was a small point of confusion because I noticed that there was an "object attribute changed" event as well
  56. # [06:26] <Funktr0n> eeejay: and the changes we had discussed listening for were of the "aria-*" attribute type
  57. # [06:26] <Funktr0n> eeejay: and not necessarily of the explicit "object.name" and/or "object.value" type(s)
  58. # [06:29] <eeejay> Funktr0n: ah. yeah. it should be pretty straight forward. not an attribute change
  59. # [06:29] <eeejay> Funktr0n: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/interfaces/nsIAccessibleEvent.idl#70
  60. # [06:30] <eeejay> Funktr0n: we really need better developer tools so that folks could play around with the a11y api and get a feel for it
  61. # [06:30] <eeejay> bbiab
  62. # [06:41] <Funktr0n> eeejay: hmm yeah, I had tried to use the console in WebIDE to make a few of these changes on the fly but was having limited results
  63. # [06:42] <Funktr0n> eeejay: have you had any success with that? Just by using the console?
  64. # [06:50] <Funktr0n> eeejay: n/m, got it working. okay sweet, I should be able to get this going. Thanks for the assistance!
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  70. # [09:00] <@firebot> kechen@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 1144516.
  71. # [09:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1144516 — NEW, kechen@mozilla.com — [ScreenReader] Wrong position of highlight box in content process' iframe member
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  75. # [10:16] <&MarcoZ> Morning all!
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  98. # [14:43] <@firebot> sledru@mozilla.com requested needinfo from continuation@gmail.com on bug 606080.
  99. # [14:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
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  104. # [15:11] <~davidb> heyo
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  108. # [15:14] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  109. # [15:14] <~davidb> hi hi
  110. # [15:15] <~davidb> MarcoZ, good to chat in about 45 minutes?
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  115. # [15:21] <&MarcoZ> davidb: You bet!
  116. # [15:21] <~davidb> k
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  118. # [15:23] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1150510.
  119. # [15:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
  120. # [15:32] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 1150510.
  121. # [15:35] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1150510.
  122. # [15:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
  123. # [15:36] <&MarcoZ> Did I mention that I hate bugs that don't reproduce for you? ;)
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  126. # [15:40] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 1150510.
  127. # [15:41] <~davidb> MarcoZ, do I need to change my locale or something (to recreate the bug)?
  128. # [15:44] <~davidb> (sorry my attention is split)
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  130. # [15:48] <~davidb> i guess i need to cause that translatestring logic, duh
  131. # [15:49] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I don't think so. Have you tried issuing a VoiceOver navigation command after you launched it? Like Ctrl+Option+RightArrow or Ctrl+Option+LeftArrow? Maybe it needs that somehow on some systems to trigger the crash.
  132. # [15:49] <~davidb> no i didn't try that
  133. # [15:49] <&MarcoZ> davidb: But if that fails, yeah try changing your locale to something French (or another language you might feel somewhat familiar with), and try again.
  134. # [15:49] <~davidb> surkov, did you try that? ^
  135. # [15:49] <~davidb> (issuing a VO command)
  136. # [15:50] <@surkov> I need to rebuild firefox
  137. # [15:50] <~davidb> heheh
  138. # [15:50] <~davidb> ok...
  139. # [15:51] <~davidb> reproduced! (a little more involved...)
  140. # [15:52] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from robin@reala.net on bug 1150510.
  141. # [15:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
  142. # [15:52] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 606080.
  143. # [15:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
  144. # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yay!
  145. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Ah, I don'thave profile manager come up first.
  146. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> (and I don't have a space bar.)
  147. # [16:03] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 606080 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  148. # [16:03] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 606080.
  149. # [16:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
  150. # [16:03] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i fired up skype :)
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  155. # [16:20] <@firebot> robin@reala.net cancelled needinfo?(robin@reala.net) on bug 1150510.
  156. # [16:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
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  160. # [16:45] <~davidb> MarcoZ, feel like finding the regression range?
  161. # [17:03] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I suspect the regression might have something to do with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1137714
  162. # [17:03] <@firebot> Bug 1137714 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Make roleDescription nicer/correct/faster
  163. # [17:03] <&MarcoZ> This was the first bug that touched this area of code in a long time.
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  168. # [17:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1150510.
  169. # [17:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
  170. # [17:45] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1150510.
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  183. # [19:27] <@firebot> bugzilla@imross.com changed the Assignee on bug 1152454 from nobody@mozilla.org to bugzilla@imross.com.
  184. # [19:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1152454 — NEW, bugzilla@imross.com — [AccessFu]: announce value and name change events if they happen within an aria-live subtree.
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  189. # [19:39] <Funktr0n> eeejay: So, looks like this bug's working as intended... have a question about generating a PR... Is there a particular repository that I should fork to specifically make changes to Gecko? I'm currently just working inside the Gecko directory of the main B2G repo (git://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G.git)
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  197. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> yzen: hey, are you around?
  198. # [21:30] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah
  199. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> yzen cool, sorry we missed each other last seek
  200. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> *week
  201. # [21:30] <@yzen> no worries, i was late too :)
  202. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> did you see the discussion on bug 1135233
  203. # [21:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1135233 — NEW, bugzilla@imross.com — [Accessibility] Utility tray statusbar-tray is inaccessible.
  204. # [21:31] <Funktr0n> yzen: If so, I was just curious if there's anything else I should do there, or if I should just wait for other input
  205. # [21:33] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah i was following it, i guess kevin just needs to r+ it if he's fine with xfail fix
  206. # [21:33] <@yzen> Funktr0n did you want to take on another bug? or you have something lined up already ?
  207. # [21:34] <Funktr0n> yzen I took Bug 1152454 this morning and I actually have a question about that one too
  208. # [21:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1152454 — NEW, bugzilla@imross.com — [AccessFu]: announce value and name change events if they happen within an aria-live subtree.
  209. # [21:34] <@yzen> Funktr0n ah awesome
  210. # [21:36] <Funktr0n> yzen I've got a patch ready to go, but I'm unsure how to kick off a PR... I'm currently working within the Gecko folder of the original B2G repo (git://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G.git). So do I just Fork that whole B2G repo, make a new branch, and proceed like that or is there a specific and separate Gecko repo that I should work with (like there is for Gaia)?
  211. # [21:41] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah so you would have to make an actual patch file for mercurial (hg). You can do it even if you use git, here are steps: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#I%27m_all_used_to_git.2C_but_how_can_I_provide_Mercurial-ready_patches_.3F
  212. # [21:41] <@yzen> in your case if your master branch tracks upstream you ll be generating it agains master (the example uses fx-team)
  213. # [21:43] <Funktr0n> yzen okay, I'll try to get that going. Additionally, are there any tests that should be written for patches in Gecko?
  214. # [21:43] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes for this one we need, you can see examples in /tests/mochitests/jsat
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  216. # [21:43] <@yzen> in the accessible directory
  217. # [21:44] <@yzen> Funktr0n i think there's a similar test in content_integration_test for a name change (similar to your value change)
  218. # [21:45] <Funktr0n> yzen okay cool, I'll try to get those up and running also. Thanks!
  219. # [21:46] <@yzen> Funktr0n thanks!
  220. # [21:46] <@yzen> ping me if you something's not clear
  221. # [21:46] <Funktr0n> yzen Oh, real quick: do you know how I'd go about running the tests locally?
  222. # [21:47] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes so have you built gecko for desktop by any chance ?
  223. # [21:47] <Funktr0n> yzen no, I've only configured and built for the Flame
  224. # [21:47] <@yzen> Funktr0n that should be easy
  225. # [21:48] <@yzen> in your gecko branch you can just run ./mach build and it should do it
  226. # [21:49] <@yzen> Funktr0n in addition you can create a .mozconfig file in your gecko directory
  227. # [21:49] <@yzen> and specify some additional options
  228. # [21:49] <@yzen> here are examples: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Configuring_Build_Options
  229. # [21:49] <@yzen> Funktr0n but without it (default) should work too
  230. # [21:49] <@yzen> so once it's built (will take around 10min first time) you can run the tests with the following command:
  231. # [21:50] <@yzen> ./mach mochitest-a11y accessible/tests/mochitest/jsat/
  232. # [21:50] <@yzen> Funktr0n ^ will run all jsat (accessfu test) but you can specify the specific file at the end
  233. # [21:50] <@yzen> Funktr0n generally i make sure at least all jsat tests pass before submitting a patch
  234. # [21:51] <Funktr0n> yzen okay, that sounds pretty straightforward
  235. # [21:51] <@yzen> Funktr0n yeah, if something goes wrong let me know
  236. # [21:51] <Funktr0n> yzen cool, will do!
  237. # [21:51] <@yzen> Funktr0n thanks for diving into it :)
  238. # [21:52] <Funktr0n> yzen: np! :)
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