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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 17 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  13. # [04:06] <@firebot> kechen@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 1148313.
  14. # [04:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1148313 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [ScreenReader] Highlight box rendering problem while scrolling the screen
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  51. # [13:45] <Dazen> http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Bus-startup-Leap-s-luxury-doesn-t-extend-to-6203093.php <-LOL
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  54. # [14:00] <~davidb> heyo
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  61. # [14:35] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  62. # [14:35] <~davidb> hi hi hi
  63. # [14:35] <~davidb> MarcoZ, I PMed ya :)
  64. # [14:39] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Got my replies?
  65. # [14:39] <~davidb> MarcoZ, yeah did you get mine?
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  68. # [14:46] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Not the ones after I wrote my message about not expecting that many of Mozilla's web dev stake holders have heard about Tenon yet.
  69. # [14:47] <~davidb> oh weird
  70. # [14:47] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i asked "what do we call these tools? a11y linters?"
  71. # [14:48] <&MarcoZ> davidb: That's actually a name they use to advertise Tenon themselves, so yeah we can call it that.
  72. # [14:49] <~davidb> heh ok
  73. # [14:52] <~davidb> MarcoZ, let's try a test, you type "1" into PM, I'll type "2", and you "3" and so on until 10
  74. # [14:53] <&MarcoZ> davidb: OK started.
  75. # [14:53] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i typed 2
  76. # [14:54] <&MarcoZ> Didn't get here davidb. Let me restart Firefox. I suspect something.
  77. # [14:54] <~davidb> ok
  78. # [14:55] <&MarcoZ> OK, back, restarted Firefox. Let's see about PMs now.
  79. # [14:56] <~davidb> MarcoZ, I just typed "2 again"
  80. # [14:58] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Nope, didn't get here. Darn, this sounds like an IrcCloud problem.
  81. # [14:58] <~davidb> blarg
  82. # [14:58] <&MarcoZ> What's that channel of IT again? helpdesk? servicedesk? I keep forgetting.
  83. # [14:58] <~davidb> there is also this private/not private status now for PMs
  84. # [14:59] <~davidb> #servicedesk i think
  85. # [14:59] <&MarcoZ> Huh?
  86. # [14:59] <~davidb> MarcoZ, my IRC client shows a status it didn't before (either client upgraded or irc server added)
  87. # [15:00] <~davidb> started about a week ago
  88. # [15:02] <&MarcoZ> davidb: There is an #irccloud channel where I tried my luck first.
  89. # [15:03] <~davidb> ok
  90. # [15:04] <~davidb> MarcoZ, emailed ya
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  96. # [15:35] <~davidb> yzen, are you getting my PMs?
  97. # [15:36] <@yzen> davidb yeah
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  104. # [15:48] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I didn't see anything in the settings for my account re private messages etc. And I also don't see anything significant in the options for our private messages tab.
  105. # [15:48] <~davidb> ack
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  109. # [16:12] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Curious, did you change something when you sent me the last batch of messages? I got a message that you wanted an OTR conversation, and that I was missing a plugin for that. Which is obvious...And then a few others, up to your 3, to which I replied 4.
  110. # [16:13] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i had 3 more replies
  111. # [16:14] <~davidb> MarcoZ, would be interesting to know if this is me or if it happens when you PM others too
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  113. # [16:21] <&MarcoZ> davidb: OK, just chose yzen as my victim. ;)
  114. # [16:21] <~davidb> :)
  115. # [16:21] <@yzen> :)
  116. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> OK, with yzen the conversation flows.
  117. # [16:23] <@yzen> naturally :)
  118. # [16:26] <@yzen> MarcoZ question about the live regions for you , so we want to support name and value change events if they happen inside a live region
  119. # [16:28] <@yzen> MarcoZ what do you think is the best thing to present: consistent with what we present when name and value change happens on current vc position (e.g. just the name or value) or do we want to present all of context ?
  120. # [16:29] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Interesting... So the addition would be value changes, right? Since name changes/text changes are already happening.
  121. # [16:29] <@yzen> MarcoZ yes
  122. # [16:29] <@yzen> and name as well
  123. # [16:30] <&MarcoZ> yzen: There is no reason to do it differently than on current VC position. Everything too verbose will quickly become a burden.
  124. # [16:30] <&MarcoZ> A burden to listen to, I mean.
  125. # [16:30] <@yzen> so for example accesible inside live region has it's name changed from apple to banana, do we want to say : "banana" or "such and such banana"
  126. # [16:30] <@yzen> ok gotcha
  127. # [16:30] <&MarcoZ> Hm, what is the use case you are trying to solve?
  128. # [16:34] <@yzen> MarcoZ hmm i think the use case is when we have valuetext changes on progressbars that we want to be live
  129. # [16:34] <@yzen> or valuenoes
  130. # [16:34] <@yzen> valuenow's
  131. # [16:38] <&MarcoZ> Hm, don't progress bars announce automatically when they change values? I think they do in other screen readers, without having to be a live region. They seem to special case for this role and announce value changes whereever they come from.
  132. # [16:38] <&MarcoZ> yzen: ^
  133. # [16:40] <@yzen> MarcoZ that was my initial inclination but i think it
  134. # [16:40] <@yzen> s not part of the spec
  135. # [16:40] <@yzen> since what you describe is an implicit live region
  136. # [16:45] <&MarcoZ> Well yeah, the spec was written at a time when nobody actually thought to build a whole operating system and its apps in HTML, JS and CSS, including the screen reader. The spec is mostly influenced by pre-existing stuff primarily from Windows.
  137. # [16:45] <~davidb> yzen, what irc client do you use?
  138. # [16:45] <@yzen> davidb same as you, textual
  139. # [16:45] <~davidb> hmm
  140. # [16:45] <~davidb> so probably PEBKAC
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  145. # [17:04] <~davidb> ok errand time
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  152. # [17:30] <Funktr0n> yzen: is there a reason you can think of why a value change might only give me the first syllable of an utterance instead of the full word?
  153. # [17:31] <@yzen> Funktr0n something somewhere is expected to be an array and instead a string gets parsed so you get a first character
  154. # [17:37] <Funktr0n> yzen: hmm, okay... well, following that advice, I altered the valueChanged() function in Presenter to accept data: [aAccessible.value] instead of data: aAccessible.value
  155. # [17:38] <Funktr0n> yzen: it seemed to solve my problem and all tests are passing... I guess I'll post the updated code and you can take a look...
  156. # [17:38] <@yzen> ok
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  160. # [18:42] <Funktr0n> yzen: saw your comments -- just for clarity, isPolite=true signifies a wait action on the speech, right? If it's false, it would interrupt?
  161. # [18:42] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes
  162. # [18:43] <Funktr0n> yzen: okay, and if no enqueue option is given, is it set to wait by default or interrupt?
  163. # [18:43] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes so we would only want to interrupt when live region and when it's assertive
  164. # [18:43] <@yzen> so to wait
  165. # [18:44] <Funktr0n> yzen: okay, got it. I was thinking that the name/value change events were set to interrupt by default
  166. # [18:44] <Funktr0n> yzen: cool, I'll go ahead and make those changes and then convert to Mercurial for the r?
  167. # [18:44] <@yzen> Funktr0n no worries, fyi gecko lets you do cool things like default arg value :)
  168. # [18:45] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes at this point you will need a mercurial patch
  169. # [18:46] <Funktr0n> yzen: yeah I saw that -- pretty nifty. I'll need to learn the other tricks
  170. # [18:46] <@yzen> Funktr0n there are plenty. like classes and all
  171. # [18:47] <Funktr0n> yzen: I've gotta run for about an hour or so but I'll get it updated/converted/uploaded as soon as I get back
  172. # [18:47] <@yzen> Funktr0n great
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  177. # [20:29] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 250091 from enndeakin@gmail.com to gwright@mozilla.com.
  178. # [20:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/250091 — NEW, gwright@mozilla.com — xul:menulist doesn't support the Page Up and Page Down keys
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  190. # [21:10] <@yzen> Funktr0n hey. in gecko you can just use review?
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  192. # [21:10] <Funktr0n> yzen you mean approval, instead of a11y?
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  194. # [21:11] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes, instead of a11y-review? just use r?
  195. # [21:11] <Funktr0n> yzen, yah ok, one sec
  196. # [21:11] <@yzen> Funktr0n we use the former one in gaia only because non of us are acutally peers to anything
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  198. # [21:11] <Funktr0n> yzen gotcha
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  200. # [21:18] <Funktr0n> yzen: okay, should be set now. Fixed a nit on the new upload
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  202. # [21:19] <Funktr0n> yzen: so do you guys spend most of your time on Gecko then?
  203. # [21:20] <@yzen> Funktr0n when there's time i'd say 20% for me these days , but we are going to do some work on accessfu some time this year
  204. # [21:20] <Funktr0n> yzen: where do you spend most of your time then?
  205. # [21:21] <@yzen> Funktr0n gaia accessibility, some automated testing for gaia accessibility, general gaia work
  206. # [21:21] <@yzen> Funktr0n so last 3 months, the gaia work was pretty much all of it
  207. # [21:22] <Funktr0n> yzen: gotcha -- so if you're spending most of your time in Gaia, how come you aren't considered a peer for reviews? Guess I'm not sure how the peer system works
  208. # [21:22] <@yzen> Funktr0n so it's based on the modules, and accessibility doesn't really have one :)
  209. # [21:23] <@yzen> Funktr0n we might get one in the system app as it might get broken down into smaller modules
  210. # [21:23] <@yzen> Funktr0n basically it's like a journeyman work
  211. # [21:23] <@yzen> as you might've noticed :)
  212. # [21:23] <Funktr0n> yzen: oh I see
  213. # [21:23] <Funktr0n> yzen: haha, yeah :)
  214. # [21:24] <@yzen> people who are module owners/peers pretty much only work on those modules/apps
  215. # [21:25] <Funktr0n> yzen: ohh, well that definitely shifts the way I had thought things were working
  216. # [21:25] <Funktr0n> yzen: I was more under the impression that people were touching lots of different things all the time
  217. # [21:26] <@yzen> Funktr0n there is a group of people that do yes, but not many, for example kgrandon is both system and media guy etc
  218. # [21:28] <Funktr0n> yzen: right, yeah kgrandon was definitely another one who had contributed to shaping my viewpoint. He seems to be active in (or at least accessible) for many of the things I've worked on. Makes sense that he's a hybrid guy though now that I know
  219. # [21:30] <Funktr0n> yzen: thanks -- interesting to know!
  220. # [21:30] <@yzen> this is a pretty good list https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/FirefoxOS, most people are in just one module, but some go across
  221. # [21:31] <Funktr0n> yzen: ohh I see... so is there where you would go to find a peer for r? on a patch for a particular app/module?
  222. # [21:31] <Funktr0n> *so is there = so is this
  223. # [21:31] <@yzen> Funktr0n yes, generally it should match suggested reviewers widget in bugzilla too
  224. # [21:31] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1155829 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  225. # [21:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1155829 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Refactor atk hyperlink code
  226. # [21:32] <Funktr0n> cool, got it
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  245. # [23:35] <@eeejay> smaug: ping?
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  247. # [23:39] <smaug> eeejay: pong
  248. # [23:40] <smaug> hmm, tbsaunde want to r- or r+ that one patch in your queue
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  250. # [23:44] <@eeejay> smaug: hey just wanted to give you heads up, that i'll be revisiting the speech synth stuff in the next few months, and you may be getting some reviews your way. if you want me to flag someone else, let me know.
  251. # [23:45] <smaug> reviews are fine
  252. # [23:45] <smaug> add them to the endless queue ;)
  253. # [23:48] <@eeejay> :)
  254. # [23:57] <@tbsaunde> smaug: I guess I'd r- it, but figured I'd let you try to convince me it makes sense
  255. # Session Close: Sat Apr 18 00:00:00 2015

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