/irc-logs / mozilla / #accessibility / 2015-04-24 / end

Options:

Previous day, Next day

  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 24 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:13] * wlach is now known as wlach|afk
  4. # [00:24] * Quits: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net) (Client exited)
  5. # [00:49] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-6hu3m4.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  6. # [01:31] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-e6ouls.rgd2.9kg1.0101.2620.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  7. # [01:37] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-e6ouls.rgd2.9kg1.0101.2620.IP)
  8. # [02:31] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-e6ouls.rgd2.9kg1.0101.2620.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  9. # [02:41] * Joins: Dazen (Dazen@moz-0i345h.ca.comcast.net)
  10. # [02:51] * Quits: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-6hu3m4.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Client exited)
  11. # [03:15] * Quits: kalli_ (fabian@moz-g2kprs.ewe-ip-backbone.de) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  12. # [03:16] * Joins: kalli_ (fabian@moz-vs5e02.ewe-ip-backbone.de)
  13. # [03:17] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net)
  14. # [04:52] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net)
  15. # [05:46] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  16. # [05:58] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net)
  17. # [06:10] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-2hf62a.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Connection closed)
  18. # [06:15] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  19. # [06:16] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Connection closed)
  20. # [06:39] * Joins: smaug_ (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net)
  21. # [06:40] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  22. # [06:41] * smaug_ is now known as smaug
  23. # [06:41] * smaug is now known as Guest29842
  24. # [06:41] * Joins: minot2 (kkus@moz-baj4jj.74.srtnet.com)
  25. # [06:47] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  26. # [06:50] * Guest29842 is now known as smaug
  27. # [06:50] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Quit: Reconnecting…)
  28. # [06:50] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net)
  29. # [06:51] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  30. # [07:38] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  31. # [07:39] * Joins: ioanachiorean (ioanachiore@moz-q23.52n.2.5.IP)
  32. # [07:49] * Quits: minot2 (kkus@moz-baj4jj.74.srtnet.com) (Connection closed)
  33. # [08:00] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  34. # [08:21] * Tomcat|afk is now known as Tomcat|sheriffduty
  35. # [08:33] * Quits: Dazen (Dazen@moz-0i345h.ca.comcast.net) (Connection closed)
  36. # [10:18] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.org on bug 606080.
  37. # [10:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
  38. # [11:05] * Joins: Gijs_away (chatzilla@moz-1evr0l.cable.virginm.net)
  39. # [11:19] * Joins: Aleksej (Aleksej@moz-jj1.j9b.14.176.IP)
  40. # [11:44] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net)
  41. # [12:23] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org cancelled needinfo?(jamie@nvaccess.org) on bug 606080.
  42. # [12:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
  43. # [12:48] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  44. # [12:56] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Connection closed)
  45. # [13:27] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  46. # [13:31] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  47. # [14:21] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net)
  48. # [14:26] * Joins: minot2 (kkus@moz-baj4jj.74.srtnet.com)
  49. # [14:28] * Joins: newtron (newtron@moz-6lh.c31.71.199.IP)
  50. # [14:56] * Tomcat|sheriffduty is now known as Tomcat|afk
  51. # [15:06] * Gijs_away is now known as Gijs
  52. # [15:22] * Quits: funnel (hegel@moz-hmd.ddu.4.81.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  53. # [15:32] * Joins: yzen (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP)
  54. # [15:32] * ChanServ sets mode: +o yzen
  55. # [15:37] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net)
  56. # [15:38] * Joins: funnel (hegel@moz-hmd.ddu.4.81.IP)
  57. # [15:47] * Joins: anvk (anovak@moz-871.mvk.11.204.IP)
  58. # [16:08] * Quits: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net) (Client exited)
  59. # [16:08] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net)
  60. # [16:46] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-t8ufvo.static-ip.telepacific.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  61. # [16:47] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  62. # [16:48] * Quits: minot2 (kkus@moz-baj4jj.74.srtnet.com) (Connection closed)
  63. # [16:53] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-aj9ejj.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  64. # [17:10] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Hi! This is sent from a working X64 build with the virtual buffer intact. :)
  65. # [17:25] * Quits: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net) (Client exited)
  66. # [17:25] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonza@moz-5t7jkp.fios.verizon.net)
  67. # [17:49] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: nice :)
  68. # [17:50] * Joins: smaug (chatzilla@moz-02ojqg.leme.vk5s.0000.2620.IP)
  69. # [17:54] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Indeed! As I just commented: JAWS 15 and 16 do not yet work, but they require this special window hierarchy emulation that we still carry around, and they seem to be doing something different in 64 bit than 32 bit. They work in the browser chrome, but don't get their virtual buffer populated. They only see the NetscapeDispatchWnd.
  70. # [17:55] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: That is, however, a separate bug.
  71. # [17:57] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-857tih.warszawa.vectranet.pl)
  72. # [17:58] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: hrm, I don't think anything about window emulation should be effected by word size
  73. # [17:59] <@tbsaunde> maybe they depend on the unique id thing on ISimpleDOMNode (which is still broken) ?
  74. # [18:00] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Hm, interesting. OK they definitely only announce the NetscapeDispatchWnd as the window they land on when a new page loads, and that is an indication that they're missing some cue to properly create the v buffer. But it is very possible that they also still use ISimpleDom and fall over there somewhere.
  75. # [18:00] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Yeah that is very possible. As does Window-Eyes AFAIK.
  76. # [18:01] * @tbsaunde shrugs
  77. # [18:01] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Is that an easy fix?
  78. # [18:01] * @tbsaunde thinks
  79. # [18:03] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: doesn't seem that hard, but I really need to get back to e10s stuff...
  80. # [18:04] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: I know. :(
  81. # [18:04] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Problem is that we have the most users on JAWS, besides NVDA.
  82. # [18:08] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: well, hopefully somebody else will deal with it, the tools are all ther at this point someone just needs to make the simple dom code use them
  83. # [18:09] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: OK, then I suggest the following: You get the stuff that we have into review, and we get that into m-c and possibly up the train. I will talk to surkov about the SimpleDomNode part and see if we can get anywhere.
  84. # [18:10] <&MarcoZ> And I will file a separate bug for the SimpleDOMNoe stuff.
  85. # [18:11] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: yeah, I was already planning on getting the existing stuff to be reviewable
  86. # [18:11] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Cool!
  87. # [18:12] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: It's time for me to head out to the weekend now. Will deal with the remaining stuff on Monday. Thanks for jumping on this and fixing the largest chunk of it!
  88. # [18:12] <&MarcoZ> The rest should be easy.
  89. # [18:17] * wlach|afk is now known as wlach
  90. # [18:51] * Quits: ioanachiorean (ioanachiore@moz-q23.52n.2.5.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  91. # [19:24] * Joins: newtron_ (newtron@moz-lhi.7fm.159.136.IP)
  92. # [19:27] * Joins: slee (chatzilla@moz-itochp.range109-150.btcentralplus.com)
  93. # [19:27] * Quits: newtron (newtron@moz-6lh.c31.71.199.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  94. # [19:27] <@firebot> kdevel@vogtner.de changed the Resolution on bug 732802 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  95. # [19:27] <@firebot> kdevel@vogtner.de changed the Status on bug 732802 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  96. # [19:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/732802 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — click into new tab page no longer focusses—ctrl-w does not close tab (when "emacs bindings" are enab
  97. # [19:28] * Joins: newtron (newtron@moz-6lh.c31.71.199.IP)
  98. # [19:31] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  99. # [19:31] * Quits: newtron_ (newtron@moz-lhi.7fm.159.136.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  100. # [19:43] * Quits: slee (chatzilla@moz-itochp.range109-150.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819])
  101. # [19:50] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-v8g78c.cpe.teksavvy.com)
  102. # [19:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  103. # [20:00] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net)
  104. # [20:42] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  105. # [20:43] * Quits: @yzen (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  106. # [20:57] * Joins: yzen (yzen@moz-ql1r6k.cpe.pppoe.ca)
  107. # [20:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +o yzen
  108. # [20:58] * Joins: jongund (chatzilla@moz-hht6bu.il.comcast.net)
  109. # [21:09] * Quits: askalski (akuda@moz-857tih.warszawa.vectranet.pl) (Quit: Wychodzi)
  110. # [21:14] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net)
  111. # [21:33] * Joins: slee (chatzilla@moz-itochp.range109-150.btcentralplus.com)
  112. # [21:33] * Quits: slee (chatzilla@moz-itochp.range109-150.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 37.0.2/20150415140819])
  113. # [21:44] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  114. # [21:47] * Joins: yliao (yliao@moz-2hf62a.HINET-IP.hinet.net)
  115. # [21:48] <@firebot> New Core - Keyboard: Navigation bug 1158315 filed by mchang@mozilla.com.
  116. # [21:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1158315 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] Window does not respond to keyboard shortcuts
  117. # [21:52] * Quits: yliao (yliao@moz-2hf62a.HINET-IP.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  118. # [21:56] * Quits: jongund (chatzilla@moz-hht6bu.il.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 36.0.4/20150320202338])
  119. # [22:04] * Quits: anvk (anovak@moz-871.mvk.11.204.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  120. # [22:08] * Quits: Aleksej (Aleksej@moz-jj1.j9b.14.176.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  121. # [22:15] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net)
  122. # [22:27] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-80j6qs.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  123. # [23:29] * yzen is now known as yzen_
  124. # [23:33] * Quits: @yzen_ (yzen@moz-ql1r6k.cpe.pppoe.ca) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  125. # [23:34] * Joins: yzen (yzen@moz-ql1r6k.cpe.pppoe.ca)
  126. # [23:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +o yzen
  127. # [23:49] * yzen is now known as yzen_
  128. # [23:53] * Quits: @yzen_ (yzen@moz-ql1r6k.cpe.pppoe.ca) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  129. # [23:54] * Joins: jamesn (jamesn00@moz-4cflac.oracle.com)
  130. # [23:55] <jamesn> is it worth logging a bug that a DIV which happens to get added to the tab sequence due to overflow should get a role of scrollbar exposed?
  131. # [23:55] <jamesn> this would avoid screen reader users getting nothing read when tabbing through the page
  132. # Session Close: Sat Apr 25 00:00:00 2015

Previous day, Next day

Think these logs are useful? Then please donate to show your gratitude (and keep them up, of course). Thanks! — Krijn