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  60. # [15:40] <~davidb> heyo
  61. # [15:43] <@tbsaunde> heya
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  64. # [15:56] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb, tbsaunde! :)
  65. # [15:57] <~davidb> hi hi hi
  66. # [16:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1159722 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  67. # [16:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159722 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — make atk expose more interfaces for proxied accessibles
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  72. # [16:35] <&MarcoZ> surkov: I'm already hunting the regression range for that NVDA document release bug. I will file the bug once I have that.
  73. # [16:47] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1159741 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  74. # [16:47] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159741 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — make ia2HyperText use proxies
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  76. # [16:57] <@surkov> MarcoZ: thank you! do you know what happens there?
  77. # [16:58] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Not exactly. Somehow, the document accessible stays around. NVDA can still access some parts of it, as you can see in the NVDA log viewer info I sent in my last message.
  78. # [16:58] <@surkov> bad
  79. # [16:58] <&MarcoZ> surkov: So the document accessible doesn't go away properly when the tab is closed.
  80. # [16:59] <~davidb> interesting
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  83. # [17:06] <SteveF> surkov: hi, does firefox not expose the HTML lang attribute via IA2?
  84. # [17:06] <@surkov> SteveF: it should
  85. # [17:07] <SteveF> surkov: can't see where
  86. # [17:07] <@surkov> SteveF: via text attribute
  87. # [17:08] <&MarcoZ> surkov: SteveF: It definitely does. NVDA uses it successfully every day on my system. :)
  88. # [17:09] <SteveF> ok cool, I see it now :-)
  89. # [17:10] <SteveF> surkov: related question are text attributes used by SR's ?
  90. # [17:10] <@surkov> SteveF: SR means screen reader?
  91. # [17:10] <SteveF> surkov: and are the text attribute proerties defined somehwere?
  92. # [17:10] <SteveF> surkov: yes
  93. # [17:11] <@surkov> yes
  94. # [17:11] <@surkov> standard ones are defined by IA2 spec
  95. # [17:11] * SteveF i guess nvda does, wondering about others?
  96. # [17:11] <@surkov> Firefox may expose some non standard one
  97. # [17:12] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: I am hoping JAWS does by now. I hear they've improved the IA2 support of FF in version 16.
  98. # [17:12] <SteveF> MarcoZ: cool
  99. # [17:14] * SteveF asking because of this thread Screen readers do not obey language changes in HTML https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015AprJun/0067.html
  100. # [17:16] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: JAWS supported language switching in Firefox through ISimpleDOM for quite a while. However, besides NVDA, JAWS and VoiceOver on iOS (not Mac), there is no screen reader I know that supports language switching.
  101. # [17:17] <SteveF> MarcoZ: thanks
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  104. # [17:33] <~davidb> BS time
  105. # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  106. # [17:35] <~davidb> tbsaunde, BarrierSmash
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  108. # [17:35] <~davidb> tbsaunde, for you it is optional
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  110. # [17:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ah, misinterpreted bs ;)
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  114. # [17:58] <~davidb> heheh
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  131. # [18:53] <&MarcoZ> Bah, this bug is illusive! Doesn't easily reproduce with the local builds. But immediately does with nightly and Dev Edition builds. surkov.
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  133. # [18:54] <@surkov> hm, debug or release?
  134. # [18:55] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Release.
  135. # [18:55] <@surkov> it’s going to be tough one
  136. # [19:01] <&MarcoZ> Argh, and it's being complicated by the fact that those builds don't turn off e10s even for a11y.
  137. # [19:07] <&MarcoZ> surkov: OK, now disabled e10s in that profile that gets created when building Firefox, and as long as I don't have to clobber, now repeating my bisection.
  138. # [19:07] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Well, you should be able to see the bug, if it reproduces for a debug build, by just running NVDA and opening a few tbs with pages.
  139. # [19:09] * @surkov curious to see log with A11YLOG=doclifecycle
  140. # [19:09] <@surkov> but maybe regression range will clarify something
  141. # [19:30] <&MarcoZ> YES! Bad build! Now bisecting in a smaller range!
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  144. # [19:44] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Holy smokes! Microsoft are burning real fireworks at their developer conference at the moment. A cross-platform code editor, basically Visual Studio for Windows, Mac, and Linux, and an Objective-C compiler allowing developers to cross-compile their iOS apps into Windows 10.
  145. # [19:45] <~davidb> yeah i saw dialog about it in another channel
  146. # [19:45] <~davidb> they are a new company
  147. # [19:45] <~davidb> with there open source stuff too
  148. # [19:45] <~davidb> there/their
  149. # [19:45] <&MarcoZ> They are indeed! And that thing is completely free.
  150. # [19:46] <&MarcoZ> davidb: And they accomplished what we failed at so far: Carrier billing in the store.
  151. # [19:51] <~davidb> https://code.visualstudio.com/
  152. # [19:53] <~davidb> i wonder if tenon is built in
  153. # [19:53] <&MarcoZ> davidb: It was mentioned, yes.
  154. # [19:53] <~davidb> interesting
  155. # [19:54] <&MarcoZ> Yay, another bad build, so definitely not chasing ghosts this time.
  156. # [19:54] <~davidb> good good
  157. # [19:54] <~davidb> time for me to translocate
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  159. # [20:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1159828 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  160. # [20:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159828 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — make ia2Hyperlink use proxies
  161. # [20:12] <@eeejay> yzen: http://blog.monotonous.org/2015/04/29/espeak-web-speech-api-addon/
  162. # [20:12] <@yzen> yep found it , thanks
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  165. # [21:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1159850 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  166. # [21:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159850 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — make ia2Accessiblevalue use proxies
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  170. # [21:38] <&MarcoZ> Getting close!
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  174. # [22:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1159872 filed by mzehe@mozilla.com.
  175. # [22:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159872 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Fix for bug 1138436 causes NVDA to keep all loaded documents around forever
  176. # [22:04] <&MarcoZ> surkov: tbsaunde: ^ Here you are! And I'm out of here for tonight. See you tomorrow!
  177. # [22:04] <@surkov> MarcoZ: thanks!
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  183. # [22:28] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1159327.
  184. # [22:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159327 — NEW, jmathies@mozilla.com — [e10s] Accessibility blacklist client work
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  195. # [23:42] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1159327.
  196. # [23:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159327 — NEW, jmathies@mozilla.com — [e10s] Accessibility blacklist client work
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