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  5. # [00:07] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com set status-firefox38 to unaffected on bug 1159872.
  6. # [00:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159872 — FIXED, mzehe@mozilla.com — Fix for bug 1138436 causes NVDA to keep all loaded documents around forever
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  75. # [13:40] <Gijs> is today's meeting desktop?
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  83. # [14:40] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Hi there! Yes, today is desktop.
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  90. # [15:03] <~davidb> heyo
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  93. # [15:12] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb!
  94. # [15:13] <~davidb> hi hi hi
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  104. # [16:18] <smaug> there are no logs for this channel?
  105. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> smaug: log bot is here, so I'd expect there are
  106. # [16:20] <smaug> tbsaunde: want to add http://logs.glob.uno/?c=mozilla%23accessibility to the topic?
  107. # [16:20] <smaug> that is a bit ugly url
  108. # [16:21] <smaug> maybe http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=accessibility
  109. # [16:21] * tbsaunde changes topic to 'build the web for everyone | http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=accessibility'
  110. # [16:21] <smaug> thanks
  111. # [16:22] <@tbsaunde> np, I don't think about it since I have my own logs
  112. # [16:26] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: smaug: How far away are we from un-blacklisting NVDA from E10S? In other words, when is it ready for serious testing on my end?
  113. # [16:26] <&MarcoZ> Any estimate?
  114. # [16:26] <@tbsaunde> 2 - 3 weeks I hope
  115. # [16:27] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: K Thanks!
  116. # [16:27] <@tbsaunde> but I totally guessing
  117. # [16:27] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  118. # [16:27] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Aren't we all? ;)
  119. # [16:28] * &MarcoZ is getting philosophical now. Brace yourselves! ;)
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  123. # [16:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox39 to fixed on bug 1159872.
  124. # [16:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1159872 — FIXED, mzehe@mozilla.com — Fix for bug 1138436 causes NVDA to keep all loaded documents around forever
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  137. # [17:32] <~davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/BarrierSmash/Meetings/2015-03-25
  138. # [17:37] <smaug> tbsaunde: the gtk tab thing is silly...
  139. # [17:37] <smaug> patch coming
  140. # [17:37] <smaug> finally
  141. # [17:37] <@tbsaunde> 8thanks :)
  142. # [17:40] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi changed the Assignee on bug 1156964 from nobody@mozilla.org to bugs@pettay.fi.
  143. # [17:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1156964 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — orca reads window title on every tab in e10s
  144. # [17:48] <@firebot> enndeakin@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 250091.
  145. # [17:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/250091 — ASSIGNED, enndeakin@gmail.com — xul:menulist doesn't support the Page Up and Page Down keys
  146. # [17:52] <~davidb> love one liners
  147. # [17:58] <~davidb> surkov, Bug 473206
  148. # [17:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/473206 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — GetTextAtOffset returns wrong values for the current line if the source file contains carriage retur
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  151. # [18:02] <@eeejay> my connection seems to be pretty bad here
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  154. # [18:10] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Action item done. :)
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  157. # [18:27] <~davidb> what took you so long?
  158. # [18:30] <~davidb> ;)
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  164. # [18:57] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hm, orca seems to just be saying nothing now, its not really clear to me if I'm able to tab into content
  165. # [18:57] <@tbsaunde> to be clear this is with your patch applied
  166. # [18:58] <smaug> it was saying something here
  167. # [18:59] <smaug> when tabbing, it was saying something about search field etc.
  168. # [18:59] * smaug re-tests
  169. # [19:03] <smaug> tbsaunde: so what would you expect?
  170. # [19:04] <@tbsaunde> smaug: well, if you can see what is focused I'd expect it to read something like what the focused thing says
  171. # [19:05] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so I'm just not sure if that search box is the one in chrome
  172. # [19:05] <smaug> oh, it is
  173. # [19:05] <smaug> but I thought we just don't have that part hooked up yet, that you'd get the right output
  174. # [19:06] <@tbsaunde> smaug: which part
  175. # [19:07] <smaug> tbsaunde: so, I'm certainly getting "tab" when tabbing through the page
  176. # [19:07] <smaug> but not the name of the links or so
  177. # [19:07] <@tbsaunde> let me debug some
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  179. # [19:09] <smaug> tbsaunde: so without the patch I just get the title of the page all the time, nothing saying "tab"
  180. # [19:09] <smaug> when tabbing through the page
  181. # [19:11] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah
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  183. # [19:12] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so, when I break on ProxyEvent() I see us sending focus events for links that have proxies, so I guess your patch works
  184. # [19:12] <@tbsaunde> I just wonder what else orca needs to read stuff
  185. # [19:14] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so, I think your patch works, but I'm totally unqualified to review it
  186. # [19:15] <smaug> tbsaunde: which is why felipe should review it too ;)
  187. # [19:15] <@tbsaunde> I'd like to get itcommitted quickly if possible so we can ask joanie to look at what orca might want
  188. # [19:15] <smaug> right
  189. # [19:16] <joanie> tbsaunde: in a meeting right now
  190. # [19:16] <joanie> but I need more context
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  192. # [19:17] <joanie> but do you literally mean "focus:" events
  193. # [19:17] <smaug> tbsaunde: I ping'ed felipe about the review
  194. # [19:17] <@tbsaunde> joanie: totally no hurry
  195. # [19:17] <joanie> rather than object:state-changed:focused events?
  196. # [19:17] <joanie> focus: events are deprecated
  197. # [19:17] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no, I think we send both
  198. # [19:18] <joanie> to try it myself, do I need to build firefox?
  199. # [19:18] <joanie> or do you have a build I can try
  200. # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hopefully in a day or two you can just test nightly
  201. # [19:18] <joanie> ok
  202. # [19:19] <joanie> and I need to know what is failing to be presented too :)
  203. # [19:19] <@tbsaunde> and I know all sorts of other stuff is broken so it can wait that long
  204. # [19:19] <joanie> tbsaunde: feel free to file a bug against Orca with a link to the nightly and a concrete test case
  205. # [19:19] <joanie> if it's your bug rather than mine, I'll file one back at ya :)
  206. # [19:20] * joanie resumes paying attention to her meeting
  207. # [19:20] <@tbsaunde> joanie: this is e10s stuff that's partially implemented
  208. # [19:20] <@tbsaunde> I'm sure its our bug, I just don't know which one
  209. # [19:24] <joanie> tbsaunde: get me a debug.out and I can tell you
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  227. # [22:29] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 606080.
  228. # [22:29] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 606080 from --- to FIXED.
  229. # [22:29] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 606080 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  230. # [22:29] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox40 to fixed on bug 606080.
  231. # [22:29] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 606080 from --- to mozilla40.
  232. # [22:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
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  237. # [22:49] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ok, can you take a look at people.mozilla.org/~tsaunders/debug.out? there's a zillian events in there when tab gets hit, but I'm not sure why orca isn't presenting stuff
  238. # [22:49] <@tbsaunde> take your time :)
  239. # [22:49] <joanie> sure
  240. # [22:49] <@tbsaunde> thaks
  241. # [22:51] <joanie> so I see an instance where Orca says "Write a comment.... entry". Are the broken ones before or after that?
  242. # [22:51] <joanie> the one after that "browse... push button" is also spoken
  243. # [22:53] <joanie> tbsaunde: I'm seeing Orca say things in response to your tab presses
  244. # [22:53] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hrm, that doesn't make much sense, and I certainly wasn't hearing anything
  245. # [22:54] <joanie> so that suggests that possibly speech was getting cut off by something
  246. # [22:54] <@tbsaunde> fwiw I was looking at google.com so not sure why I saw a browse button
  247. # [22:54] <joanie> grep through your debug.out for "SPEECH OUTPUT:"
  248. # [22:55] <joanie> if you find things that you didn't hear, then speech is probably getting cut off due to a subsequent event
  249. # [22:55] <joanie> if you find things that shouldn't be there, then you probably gave me the wrong file ;)
  250. # [22:58] <@tbsaunde> joanie: all I see in it is this
  251. # [22:58] <@tbsaunde> tbsaunde@iceball:/src/moz1$ grep 'SPEECH OUT' ~/debug-2015-05-06-16\:45\:50.out
  252. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Screen reader on.' voice=system
  253. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google - Nightly frame'
  254. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google - Nightly frame'
  255. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google - Nightly frame'
  256. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Google page tab.'
  257. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Search or enter address entry https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl selected'
  258. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Search using Google entry'
  259. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl'
  260. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> SPEECH OUTPUT: 'unselected' voice=system
  261. # [22:59] <@tbsaunde> which is about what I heard, but a lot more should have been said
  262. # [22:59] <joanie> then I think we're looking at two different files
  263. # [22:59] <joanie> one sec and I'll tell you what I get
  264. # [23:01] <@tbsaunde> ah, yeah looks like people has the wrong file somehow
  265. # [23:01] <joanie> ok then I won't pastebin it
  266. # [23:01] <joanie> get me the right one
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  268. # [23:05] <@tbsaunde> joanie: actually I think I've found the answer, orca seems to be getting a lot of focus state change events for defunct objects
  269. # [23:05] <joanie> that would explain it
  270. # [23:06] <joanie> anything in the file that accounts for their dying?
  271. # [23:06] <@tbsaunde> joanie: how does it get determined something is defunct?
  272. # [23:06] <joanie> depends on the version you're using
  273. # [23:06] <joanie> does it say anything about zombies?
  274. # [23:07] <@tbsaunde> grep -i zom finds nothing
  275. # [23:07] <joanie> ok
  276. # [23:07] <joanie> then probably the state is defunct, or....
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  278. # [23:07] <joanie> getAttributes() might be spitting up
  279. # [23:08] <@tbsaunde> ah, I expected the state check just wanted to be sure
  280. # [23:09] <joanie> yeah, I just grepped
  281. # [23:10] <joanie> if the message is "IGNORING DEFUNCT OBJECT" it's based on the state set
  282. # [23:10] <joanie> containing STATE_DEFUNCT
  283. # [23:11] <joanie> and later versions of Orca have the zombie detection in place
  284. # [23:11] <joanie> and should tell you what made it call zombie
  285. # [23:11] <joanie> null/defunct is one
  286. # [23:11] <joanie> but index in parent of -1 is another
  287. # [23:11] <joanie> there are a few more cases that point to objects being something best left alone
  288. # [23:12] <joanie> depending on the circumstances, Orca may try to find the replicant of the zombie
  289. # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I don't suppose you know how to print an atk state set in gdb?
  290. # [23:15] <joanie> can't you make atk calls in gdb?
  291. # [23:16] <@tbsaunde> I can
  292. # [23:17] <joanie> atk_object_ref_state_set ()
  293. # [23:17] <joanie> and
  294. # [23:17] <joanie> atk_state_set_contains_state ()
  295. # [23:17] <joanie> will that work?
  296. # [23:19] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah, that works I was just hopping there was a nice way that would tell me all the set states
  297. # [23:19] <joanie> not that I'm aware of
  298. # [23:19] * joanie looks
  299. # [23:22] <joanie> i'm not seeing anything
  300. # [23:23] <@tbsaunde> ah, well thanks
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