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- # [15:39] <~davidb> yo
- # [15:39] <~davidb> heyo
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- # [17:04] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Component on bug 1164860 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [17:04] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Product on bug 1164860 from Firefox to Core.
- # [17:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1164860 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Keyboard shortcuts do not work on pages with embedded content on OS X
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- # [17:30] <@tbsaunde> do we want to try and backport bug 606080 and related stuff?
- # [17:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/606080 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
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- # [17:33] <~davidb> tbsaunde, what are pros and cons?
- # [17:33] <~davidb> looks like it was considered worth tracking that bug for branches, hmm what is ESR...
- # [17:34] <@tbsaunde> I can't imagine we'd be able to backport it to esr
- # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> its a fair amount of code some risk, but I guess its all ifdefed for win64 some maybe not that much risk
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- # [17:35] <~davidb> is 38 esr?
- # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah I think so
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- # [17:36] <~davidb> surkov, tbsaunde was just asking "do we want to try and backport bug 606080 and related stuff?" what do you think?
- # [17:36] <~davidb> 38 is wontfix
- # [17:36] <@surkov> davidb: that’d be defintely good as it fix 64 bit firefox
- # [17:37] <~davidb> do we imagine a lot of 64 bit esr 38 users?
- # [17:37] <~davidb> (corporate, presumably)
- # [17:38] <@surkov> I think we could deliver some problems to corporations who wants to switch to 64 bit
- # [17:39] * @tbsaunde notes he can't imagine release managers being ok with approving that for esr
- # [17:39] <@surkov> I think the point is this is a code for 64 bit Firefox and it makes it accessible. We basically cannot regress it.
- # [17:39] <~davidb> release managers are growing more strict
- # [17:39] <~davidb> what is the regression behaviour?
- # [17:40] <@surkov> for something no working? :)
- # [17:40] <~davidb> is it that for a long session (how long), things become inaccurate?
- # [17:40] <@tbsaunde> well, firefox does work
- # [17:40] <~davidb> crash? leak?
- # [17:40] <@tbsaunde> both are possible
- # [17:40] <@surkov> accessibility in firefox
- # [17:40] <@tbsaunde> you just can't use unique ids for accessibles for anything
- # [17:41] <@surkov> but the code doesn’t touch a code outside accessibility in a way it could affect
- # [17:41] <~davidb> presumable accessibiltiy would work fine until we hit the 32bit max
- # [17:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no
- # [17:41] <~davidb> oh
- # [17:42] <~davidb> well we need to describe the user impact, in some detail (non zero detail), in the bug
- # [17:42] <@tbsaunde> I think aurora is pretty reasonable, beta maaayyybbeee
- # [17:42] <~davidb> esr might be special...
- # [17:42] <~davidb> we might be able to make a case
- # [17:43] <~davidb> not sure
- # [17:43] <~davidb> maybe i'll chat with lmandel at lunch
- # [17:43] <@tbsaunde> tbh I don't think it really matters that much it wont kill anybody to use 32 bit firefox for another year since they've been doing it for ages already
- # [17:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: user impact is probably screen readers definitely broken image capture / IME / magnifiers maybe broken random crap who knows
- # [17:44] <~davidb> tbsaunde, so this didn't make aurora?
- # [17:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: oh, maybe it did
- # [17:45] * ~davidb thinks it did
- # [17:45] <@tbsaunde> I can check
- # [17:46] * ~davidb pings lmandel
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- # [17:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: seems your right
- # [17:56] <~davidb> that's good news
- # [17:56] <~davidb> i'll catch lmandel tomorrow (as per #planning)
- # [17:57] * @tbsaunde isn't in there
- # [17:57] <~davidb> i figured.
- # [17:57] <~davidb> almost time to make a sandwich
- # [17:57] * ~davidb sandwiches
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- # [19:29] * @tbsaunde wonders if there's any reason not to remove all the silly unused table change events
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- # [19:40] <~davidb> it is hard to use telemetry there
- # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well I mean unused in the sense nothing actually fires them
- # [19:46] <~davidb> oh
- # [19:47] <~davidb> so i take it we don't have tests for them?
- # [19:47] <@tbsaunde> I'm pretty sure
- # [19:48] <~davidb> surkov would know
- # [19:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I checked it totally dead code
- # [19:50] <@surkov> they are in the spec but afaik nobody implemented them yet. I guess they might be handy for grids
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- # [19:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: the fact nobody has cared enough to implement them in the paste 8 years makes me think
- # [19:53] <@tbsaunde> not
- # [19:54] <@surkov> a11y support is far from being perfect, and sometimes great ideas are much ahead of their implementation
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- # [19:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, but thing people find useful generally happen, and things people don't care about don't happen
- # [19:56] <@surkov> it’s also true
- # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> and I don't think there's a point keeping code around just because someone may do something some day
- # [19:58] <@surkov> I concede that table events might be a good addition for a11y if they were implemented
- # [19:59] <@tbsaunde> there are all sorts of things that might be nice, but I don't see how that's relevant
- # [19:59] <@surkov> we might have or might have not, iiirc it’s not large amount of code so it shouldn’t be big deal
- # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure what your saying we might have
- # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> its enough to be annoying
- # [20:00] <@surkov> code
- # [20:00] <@surkov> that code
- # [20:01] <@surkov> how is it annoying?
- # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> when you want to look through what events are handled you have to look at a bunch of dead code
- # [20:02] <@surkov> it’d say unused :)
- # [20:03] <@surkov> since I don’t really believe in walking dead, but that thing might walk one day :)
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- # [20:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: it never runs so I'd say dead
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- # [20:57] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1164976 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
- # [20:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1164976 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — fire caret move and state change events for proxies[
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