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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 22 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:49] <@firebot> vdjeric@mozilla.com requested needinfo from aklotz@mozilla.com on bug 1163004.
  8. # [00:49] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
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  19. # [02:57] <@firebot> aklotz@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(aklotz@mozilla.com) on bug 1163004.
  20. # [02:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
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  25. # [03:17] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from vdjeric@mozilla.com on bug 1163004.
  26. # [03:17] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
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  41. # [04:21] <JTeh1> hi surkov
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  43. # [04:21] <@surkov> hey, JTeh1
  44. # [04:22] <JTeh> surkov Jamie here if you didn't get that already. :) wanted ot chat to you quickly about IA2
  45. # [04:22] <@surkov> sure :)
  46. # [04:22] <JTeh> surkov: the reason I haen't replied to your emails is not because I'm ignoring you; mostly just time and some confusion
  47. # [04:22] <JTeh> :0
  48. # [04:22] <JTeh> surkov: so, your first quesiton: merging our IA2 repo with the LF IA2 repo
  49. # [04:23] <@surkov> JTeh: I know, I get about time, what about confusion?
  50. # [04:23] <JTeh> surkov: I haven't looked at their git repo, but if it's just a port of their bzr repo, they can't really be merged. the way IA2 was committed to the repo in the first place was really badthey ca
  51. # [04:23] <JTeh> really bad*
  52. # [04:23] <JTeh> they just committed IA2 1.0, but that left out all the stuff before that
  53. # [04:24] <JTeh> so bad history
  54. # [04:24] <@surkov> agree
  55. # [04:24] <JTeh> surkov: so honestly, I think the better approach is to blow the current repo away and just go with ours. I'm biased, of course, so that decision has to be up to you. they can't really be merged; that I am sure of
  56. # [04:24] <JTeh> so I mean use the LF repo host, but just push our code over the top
  57. # [04:24] <@surkov> JTeh: I think we can do that
  58. # [04:25] <@surkov> I did only one commit there :)
  59. # [04:25] <JTeh> I'll double check the LF repo first, but I'm pretty sure
  60. # [04:25] <JTeh> we can cherry-pikc that anyway
  61. # [04:25] <@surkov> JTeh: do we set this task assgined to you for now?
  62. # [04:26] <@surkov> also I wanted to check with you how we want to deal with versioning
  63. # [04:26] <@surkov> should we have published version and trunk one?
  64. # [04:26] <JTeh> surkov: yes, but it's possible I won't be able to force push to the repo; if I can't, that'll require help from LF admins
  65. # [04:27] <@surkov> sure, they are very responsive
  66. # [04:27] <@surkov> and helpful
  67. # [04:27] <JTeh> surkov: as much as published versions irritate me :), yeah, I think we need it for other projects that are less... agile than ours :)
  68. # [04:28] <JTeh> surkov: so yeah, we could have master plus tags for published versions
  69. # [04:28] <@surkov> :) ok, what happens when I land a small fix?
  70. # [04:28] <@surkov> ok
  71. # [04:28] <JTeh> surkov: maybe we need ot decide on a release schedule or something
  72. # [04:28] <@surkov> what about docs on site?
  73. # [04:28] <@surkov> should they reflect stable version?
  74. # [04:29] <JTeh> surkov: also, because IA2 affects more than us, we'll unfortunately have to get opinions on most changes.
  75. # [04:29] <JTeh> which is a bit tricky as far as when we can publish a release
  76. # [04:29] <JTeh> I think docs on site should probably reflect stable, yeah
  77. # [04:29] <@surkov> sure, but I meant changes after they were agreed on mail list
  78. # [04:29] <@surkov> and we have open bug on it
  79. # [04:30] * JTeh nods
  80. # [04:30] <@surkov> one thing I would like to have review process, to check wording and etc
  81. # [04:30] <@surkov> a quality control
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  83. # [04:31] <JTeh> surkov: so maybe we could go for a time based release period... if we have changes that have been agreed, reviewed and accepted and there hasn't been a release for <x> (where x could be 6 weeks, 3 months, whatever), we release
  84. # [04:31] <@surkov> sounds as an option
  85. # [04:31] <JTeh> surkov: so yeah, re review, we can help with that
  86. # [04:31] <@surkov> ok, cool
  87. # [04:32] <JTeh> can't say it'll be timely review, but we'll do it as soon as we can :)
  88. # [04:32] <@surkov> that’s totally ok and understandable
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  90. # [04:32] <@surkov> I just wanted to move it from dead point
  91. # [04:32] <JTeh> agreed
  92. # [04:32] <JTeh> so yeah, you can see why I didn't want ot do this via email, haha
  93. # [04:32] <@surkov> :)
  94. # [04:33] <@surkov> thank you for coming
  95. # [04:33] <JTeh> sure; been meaning to pop in for ages
  96. # [04:33] <JTeh> things are crazy arunod here as usual
  97. # [04:33] <@surkov> pls cc me if you need to contact with LF guys
  98. # [04:33] <@surkov> what do you do now?
  99. # [04:33] <JTeh> so um, who am I supposed to contact again?
  100. # [04:33] <@surkov> helpdesk@rt.linuxfoundation.org
  101. # [04:33] <@surkov> Josh is helpful there
  102. # [04:34] <JTeh> much of the same as always, but working with a company to develop training material, have a contract with Google for consulting, developing NVDA, running the organisation, all of that ... :)
  103. # [04:34] <JTeh> just a lot for 2 people to handle
  104. # [04:35] <@surkov> I see, you need to grow
  105. # [04:35] <JTeh> hmm, what does rt stand for? :)
  106. # [04:35] <JTeh> right, but the thing about growing is that you need funding :)
  107. # [04:35] <@surkov> I don’t know :)
  108. # [04:35] <@surkov> it’s true
  109. # [04:35] <JTeh> and funding, even with alternative revenue streams, is still tricky to come by
  110. # [04:36] <JTeh> surkov: stupid question: what's the LF git repo URL?
  111. # [04:36] <JTeh> Josh said a11y/ia2, but not sure of root
  112. # [04:38] <@surkov> http://git.linuxfoundation.org/?p=a11y/ia2.git;a=summary
  113. # [04:41] <JTeh> surkov: ah okay, the commit currently up there isn't from bzr; just latest versino?
  114. # [04:42] <JTeh> as in... your initial commit is just latest IA2 version
  115. # [04:42] <JTeh> so our repo has all versions going back to 1.0.0
  116. # [04:42] <@surkov> it wasn’t bzr I believe, yes, iirc I took them from somewhere that Pete pointed me out
  117. # [04:42] <@surkov> JTeh: so now you see who’s guilty of no history :)
  118. # [04:42] <JTeh> okay. so ... I assume you *do* care about the history?
  119. # [04:43] <@surkov> note Pete of course :)
  120. # [04:43] <JTeh> so you can see changes from ver to ver, etc.
  121. # [04:43] <@surkov> that’d be definetely nice to have
  122. # [04:43] <JTeh> oh, pete didn't use vcs at all
  123. # [04:43] <JTeh> that bzr never got updated
  124. # [04:43] <@surkov> we don’t have to start from white list
  125. # [04:43] <JTeh> okay. are you happy for me to do this on master or do you want me to do it in a branch and then you can take a look and see if you like?
  126. # [04:43] <@surkov> note -> no
  127. # [04:44] <@surkov> master is fine
  128. # [04:44] <JTeh> okay. I'll cherry-pick your bug 436 commit on top of our repo
  129. # [04:44] <@surkov> it’s late here, I’m getting misspelling :)
  130. # [04:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/436 — FIXED, pnunn@formerly-netscape.com.tld — Doesn't display some GIFs
  131. # [04:44] <@surkov> thanks!
  132. # [04:44] <JTeh> hahaha, no, firebot, not that one
  133. # [04:44] <@surkov> try to learn him :)
  134. # [04:45] <@surkov> ‘/me thinks google translate doens’t know “cherry-pick”
  135. # [04:45] <@surkov> \me
  136. # [04:46] <@surkov> strange
  137. # [04:46] <JTeh> try cherry pick
  138. # [04:46] <@surkov> it’s same, just two words
  139. # [04:46] <JTeh> =but it's a vcs specific term. it means to take a commit and apply it kind fo like it was a patch; i.e. the history doesn't have to be common
  140. # [04:47] <@surkov> I guessed about its meaning, just funny google doens’t know about it
  141. # [04:47] <JTeh> yeah, interesting
  142. # [04:47] <JTeh> I'm not actually sure why they picked "cherries"... I mean, there are plenty of fruits
  143. # [04:47] <JTeh> maybe you pick cherries individually or something
  144. # [04:47] <@surkov> and yeah, it’s funny expression
  145. # [04:48] <JTeh> whereas grapes come in bunches
  146. # [04:48] <JTeh> probably what it is
  147. # [04:48] <@surkov> I see
  148. # [04:48] <JTeh> so cherry pick = pick an individual, uncollected commit
  149. # [04:48] <JTeh> like you pick individual cherries
  150. # [04:48] * JTeh shrugs
  151. # [04:48] <JTeh> now I'm just guessing wildly
  152. # [04:49] <@surkov> why not strawberries :)
  153. # [04:52] <@surkov> JTeh: ok, gotta go, it’s late here, thanks again for coming and taking those stuff
  154. # [04:53] <JTeh> strawberry is too ahrd to type ... ?
  155. # [04:53] <JTeh> okay. sleep well :)
  156. # [04:53] <JTeh> going to eat
  157. # [04:53] <@surkov> maybe :) but somebdy just liked cherry
  158. # [04:53] <@surkov> see ya!
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  163. # [05:16] <@tbsaunde> JTeh: so looking at online dictionaries apparently cherry-pick can mean to select the most desirable from a set
  164. # [05:18] <@tbsaunde> and I kind of see how you get from that to cherry picking commits
  165. # [05:27] <@eeejay> JTeh: is this your new nick? Or is this your rapper name?
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  170. # [05:47] <JTeh> tbsaunde: sure, but how did *that* come to pass?
  171. # [05:47] <JTeh> eeejay: heh, no, someone stole my nick.
  172. # [05:48] <JTeh> eeejay: oddly, I'm sure I didn't go 12 months without visiting, but this person hasn't signed in since last september and it doesn't expire until september. maybe Mozilla changed the expiration time? <shrug>
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  221. # [15:47] <~davidb_> heyo
  222. # [15:52] <@tbsaunde> mjorning
  223. # [15:54] <~davidb_> hi hi
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  225. # [16:06] * ~davidb wonders who was using 'davidb'
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  230. # [16:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1167604 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  231. # [16:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1167604 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — don't hide ProxyAccessible::Parent() with DocAccessibleParent::Parent
  232. # [16:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so can we remove the IA2_TEXT_ALL stuff now?
  233. # [17:00] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  234. # [17:00] <@tbsaunde> feature #2345678 hg is missing is warnings for whitespace errors
  235. # [17:03] <~davidb> tbsaunde, ?
  236. # [17:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it’d be good to wait for next ia2 release, we chatted to jamie yesterday and ended up to release it every 3 months
  237. # [17:03] <@surkov> btw, I didn’t get confirmation yet from AT vendors if they rely on it
  238. # [17:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  239. # [17:05] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i couldn't grok "feature #2345678 hg is missing is warnings for whitespace errors"
  240. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok then I guess I'll just not worry about that case for ipc stuff
  241. # [17:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: makes sense
  242. # [17:06] <@tbsaunde> davidb: git will complain if you aply patches with whitespace errors or try to commit with them and I'm annoyed mercurial doesn't and so mercurial people add whitespace errors
  243. # [17:06] <~davidb> ah
  244. # [17:06] <~davidb> ok i get how to parse it now
  245. # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> so basically just me thinking mercurial is bad news at 11
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  248. # [18:00] <~davidb> lsocks, code contribution! \o/
  249. # [18:01] <~davidb> hmmm, who is hungry
  250. # [18:02] <@lsocks> woo
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  258. # [18:42] <mib_msmx5m> Go to http://www.truthcontest.com , read the top entries and spread the truth. This will blow your mind. As said in the books, the truth is like water, and it will slip through your fingers. The translations are available on http://www.truthcontest.com/translations.html
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  282. # [22:58] <@firebot> anygregor@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1142747 from Disability Access APIs to WebRTC: Audio/Video.
  283. # [22:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1142747 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Accessibility] crash during FxA login with screen reader on - crash in mozilla::CDMCaps::Lock()
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