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  37. # [12:18] <@firebot> mjaritz@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dao@mozilla.com on bug 287743.
  38. # [12:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/287743 — REOPENED, marvelous82@gmail.com — Firefox "back" and "forward" toolbar submenus not keyboard accessible
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  77. # [17:50] <joanie> tbsaunde: or surkov: Are you aware that in nightly, some accessible events are being emitted by an application whose accessible name is "Nightly" rather than "Firefox"?
  78. # [17:51] <~davidb> what is the default usually?
  79. # [17:51] <joanie> firefox
  80. # [17:51] <joanie> looks like it happened on the 24th
  81. # [17:51] <joanie> lemme double-check
  82. # [17:52] <joanie> yup the 24th; 23rd and earlier are fine
  83. # [17:53] <joanie> and I don't think it's all events either. /me checks that now
  84. # [17:53] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hrm I wonder what changed
  85. # [17:53] <joanie> so the answer is no (to are you aware). :)
  86. # [17:53] <joanie> I'll fill a bug shortly
  87. # [17:53] <@tbsaunde> joanie: correct
  88. # [17:53] <joanie> file it too
  89. # [17:53] <@surkov> are there any problems with Nightly name?
  90. # [17:54] <joanie> we no longer know it's firefox
  91. # [17:54] <~davidb> it'd be interesting to know if only certain events.
  92. # [17:54] <joanie> so, yes
  93. # [17:54] <joanie> davidb: checking that now
  94. # [17:54] <@surkov> what is event target?
  95. # [17:54] <joanie> target?
  96. # [17:54] <~davidb> (could peruse http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/log?rev=events)
  97. # [17:55] <@surkov> joanie: an accessible the event is fired for
  98. # [17:55] <joanie> all, all of them so far
  99. # [17:55] <joanie> text, widgets, etc.
  100. # [17:56] <joanie> but only in document content
  101. # [17:56] <joanie> the chrome events are still correct
  102. # [17:56] <joanie> children of the document frame are not
  103. # [17:56] <joanie> and I think the document frame itself is not, but I'll check
  104. # [17:56] <@tbsaunde> joanie: how do you get this application name?
  105. # [17:56] <joanie> it's sent with the event
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  107. # [17:57] <joanie> those accessible event listeners you hate ;)
  108. # [17:57] <joanie> so object:state-changed:focused is fine
  109. # [17:57] <@surkov> what is event type?
  110. # [17:57] <joanie> object:text-* is not
  111. # [17:57] <@tbsaunde> joanie: interesting, because we certainly don't explicitly add app name to events
  112. # [17:58] <joanie> I think name changed is broken too. lemme look
  113. # [17:58] <joanie> tbsaunde: a few years ago, you guys changed the accessible name somehow
  114. # [17:58] <joanie> because you had all those build names
  115. # [17:58] <@surkov> I guess that was accessible name on application accessible
  116. # [17:58] <joanie> and Orca needed to be changed for each name change you came up with
  117. # [17:58] <joanie> so you all fixed that. thanks!
  118. # [18:00] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I'm going to step out for lunch, but I'm confused enough debugging probably is going to be bisecting
  119. # [18:01] <@surkov> can you check name of app accesible?
  120. # [18:02] <joanie> sorry was on the phone
  121. # [18:02] <joanie> surkov: I don't follow
  122. # [18:02] <joanie> and I need to brb
  123. # [18:02] <joanie> sorry
  124. # [18:04] <joanie> back
  125. # [18:04] <@surkov> joanie: I’d be good to check accessible name of the top level accessible, to see if atk grabs the name for events from it
  126. # [18:04] <joanie> in accerciser it claims to be firefox
  127. # [18:04] <@surkov> but if chrome is ok then probably it’s not a cause
  128. # [18:04] <@surkov> ok
  129. # [18:04] <joanie> and object:state-changed:focused events claim to come from firefox
  130. # [18:04] <joanie> chrome is ok
  131. # [18:04] <joanie> AND
  132. # [18:04] <joanie> focused events from document content are ok
  133. # [18:05] <joanie> text events: not ok
  134. # [18:05] * joanie checks others
  135. # [18:06] <joanie> hmmm. i can crash tabs too
  136. # [18:06] <joanie> that might be useful
  137. # [18:06] <joanie> one sec
  138. # [18:08] <@surkov> could you ask API where name in accessible event comes from, all we do on our side is calling g_signal_emit_by_name
  139. # [18:09] <joanie> he's not around at the moment
  140. # [18:09] <joanie> but mike gorse should know if it's not ATK. :)
  141. # [18:11] <joanie> surkov: I assume you saw the ping in gnome #a11y
  142. # [18:11] <joanie> but just in case mike is going to look
  143. # [18:11] <@surkov> joanie: yep, thank you
  144. # [18:12] <joanie> I'll file a bug in the meantime
  145. # [18:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1168449 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  146. # [18:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168449 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Regression: Accessible events are being emitted by applications with different names
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  148. # [18:42] <@tbsaunde> joanie: tabs crash so you have e10s on interesting
  149. # [18:42] <@tbsaunde> lsocks: hey, you feel like biseting something for me?
  150. # [18:43] <joanie> ugh, forgot to check if the problem if fixed by turning that off
  151. # [18:43] <@tbsaunde> joanie: well, its the future so its good data, but we should fix it
  152. # [18:44] <~davidb> tbsaunde, lsocks knows what bisecting is?
  153. # [18:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I figured I'd explain if she said yes and asked
  154. # [18:46] <@lsocks> tbsaunde: yes, and also I don't know what it is
  155. # [18:46] <~davidb> lol
  156. # [18:46] <~davidb> it is a trap!
  157. # [18:46] <@lsocks> (no idea what i just agreed to)
  158. # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> lsocks: well, first you need to get a linux env
  159. # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> lsocks: its kind of tidious but not bad
  160. # [18:47] <joanie> tbsaunde: or surkov could you remind me what settings I need to toggle to compare?
  161. # [18:49] <@tbsaunde> joanie: user_pref("browser.tabs.remote.autostart.disabled-because-using-a11y", true);
  162. # [18:49] <joanie> thanks!
  163. # [18:49] <@tbsaunde> joanie: np
  164. # [18:50] <@tbsaunde> lsocks: if its cool with you I might just use that standing desk by you and explain
  165. # [18:50] <joanie> tbsaunde: it's already true
  166. # [18:50] <joanie> does that surprise you?
  167. # [18:50] <@tbsaunde> joanie: kind of did a tab actually crash?
  168. # [18:50] <@lsocks> tbsaunde: alright
  169. # [18:50] <joanie> said one had
  170. # [18:50] <@lsocks> tbsaunde: there's also just an empty desk right beside me that one of the other interns isn't using at all
  171. # [18:51] <@tbsaunde> yeah but I want to try the standing one
  172. # [18:51] <joanie> surkov: so does the above (re settings) answer what you need?
  173. # [18:51] <@tbsaunde> joanie: stange, does ps -e -o pid,cmd | grep plugin-contain find anything?
  174. # [18:51] <joanie> lemme look
  175. # [18:51] <@surkov> joanie: so it’s single process then
  176. # [18:52] <joanie> tbsaunde: finds nothing
  177. # [18:53] <joanie> tbsaunde: oops, now it does
  178. # [18:54] <joanie> tbsaunde: you need the specifics?
  179. # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no
  180. # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I guess it ends with tab in the cmd?
  181. # [18:54] <joanie> correct
  182. # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah so its multi process
  183. # [18:55] <joanie> surkov: says it's not
  184. # [18:55] <@tbsaunde> joanie: try setting browser.tabs.autorun to false
  185. # [18:55] <joanie> one of you is lying
  186. # [18:55] <joanie> ;)
  187. # [18:55] <joanie> ok
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  189. # [18:55] <@surkov> seems so
  190. # [18:55] <joanie> tbsaunde: that's not in my about:config list
  191. # [18:55] <joanie> autorun
  192. # [18:56] * joanie looks for others
  193. # [18:56] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why it is multiprocess?
  194. # [18:56] <joanie> oh, autostart
  195. # [18:56] * joanie sets that to false
  196. # [18:56] <joanie> tbsaunde: I actually have two such settings
  197. # [18:57] <joanie> one ends with disabled-because-using-a11y
  198. # [18:57] <joanie> both are currently set to true
  199. # [18:57] * joanie sets both to false to see what happens
  200. # [18:58] <joanie> tbsaunde: doesn't make a difference wrt the different app names
  201. # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: because we've stopped caring about that pref where e10s might be ok
  202. # [18:59] <joanie> heh
  203. # [18:59] <@tbsaunde> joanie: huh
  204. # [18:59] <@surkov> oh, I see
  205. # [18:59] <joanie> tbsaunde: lemme rename my $HOME/.mozilla
  206. # [19:01] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I'm willing to believe its not e10s related I can't imagine why it would be
  207. # [19:02] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok, with all default prefs, I see the bug on the 23rd too.
  208. # [19:02] <joanie> so when did you start ignoring that setting?
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  210. # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> joanie: not sure
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  213. # [19:03] <joanie> tbsaunde: anyhoo, my point is that this might acutally be relevant
  214. # [19:04] <joanie> tbsaunde: and also wrt bisecting it
  215. # [19:04] <@tbsaunde> joanie: in the build on the 23 what is browser.tabs.autorun?
  216. # [19:04] * joanie looks
  217. # [19:04] <joanie> well, it's the default, but...
  218. # [19:04] * joanie looks
  219. # [19:05] <joanie> hmmmm
  220. # [19:05] <joanie> before I had browser.tabs.autostart
  221. # [19:06] <joanie> now I have browser.tabls.remote.autostart
  222. # [19:06] <joanie> well, before I had both
  223. # [19:06] <@tbsaunde> tabls?
  224. # [19:06] <joanie> tabs
  225. # [19:06] <joanie> sorry
  226. # [19:06] <@tbsaunde> np
  227. # [19:06] <joanie> the "remote" is the diff
  228. # [19:06] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah it might be autostart not autorun silly strings are silly
  229. # [19:06] <joanie> before (my moz prefs) I had one with remote and one without
  230. # [19:07] <joanie> having nuked my personal prefs, I only have one with remote
  231. # [19:10] <joanie> tbsaunde: I also don't have the one about disabling due to a11y. Do I need to manually put that one in?
  232. # [19:10] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I don't think so, simplest just to flip the main one
  233. # [19:11] <joanie> ok
  234. # [19:12] <joanie> tbsaunde: flipping the main one doesn't make the problem go away
  235. # [19:12] * joanie hand-edits it in to compare
  236. # [19:17] <joanie> I just commented on the bug. What changed on the 24th seems related to that disabled-because-using-a11y setting
  237. # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> joanie: oh, ok
  238. # [19:18] <joanie> hope your bisector hasn't gotten too far
  239. # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no till installing linux I think
  240. # [19:18] <joanie> heh
  241. # [19:18] <joanie> ok
  242. # [19:19] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no I just need to figure out why this is going on
  243. # [19:51] <@firebot> dburns@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1134396 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  244. # [19:51] <@firebot> dburns@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1134396 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  245. # [19:51] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1134396 — WORKSFORME, yzenevich@mozilla.com — Intermittent test_accessibility.py TestAccessibility.test_element_visible_but_not_visible_to_accessb
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  259. # [21:37] <~davidb> time to translocate
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  263. # [22:04] <@tbsaunde> joanie: so with that listener I'm seeing http://paste.debian.net/184309/ which is ... strange
  264. # [22:04] * joanie looks
  265. # [22:05] <joanie> ?
  266. # [22:05] <joanie> maybe version of pyatspi
  267. # [22:05] <joanie> or python
  268. # [22:06] <joanie> tbsaunde: I can do a new listener that should eliminate that though
  269. # [22:06] <joanie> or just tell you what to change
  270. # [22:06] * joanie looks
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  272. # [22:07] <joanie> tbsaunde: try making the print statement print("%s %s %s" % (e.host_application, e.type, e.source))
  273. # [22:09] <@tbsaunde> joanie: lets see
  274. # [22:11] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ok my build is a little patched but I don't think it should effect anything and I see http://paste.debian.net/184310/ which never has the application named Nightly
  275. # [22:12] <joanie> and that's with current nightly
  276. # [22:12] <joanie> ?
  277. # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no, loal debug build but let me try nightly
  278. # [22:13] <joanie> oh
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  280. # [22:13] <joanie> tbsaunde: also note that the chrome is fine and state-changed events are fine.
  281. # [22:13] <joanie> as a result, caret-moved is your best way to reproduce it
  282. # [22:14] * Parts: anvk (anovak@moz-871.mvk.11.204.IP)
  283. # [22:14] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ah, I only tabed didn't try moving caret
  284. # [22:15] <@tbsaunde> joanie: nightly has the same result with just tab fwiw
  285. # [22:15] <joanie> tbsaunde: you have caret nav enabled?
  286. # [22:16] <joanie> with caret nav enabled, tabbing to certain things (like the Google buttons) will also trigger caret-moved signals
  287. # [22:16] <@tbsaunde> let me check
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  290. # [22:21] <@firebot> blassey.bugs@lassey.us requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1168042.
  291. # [22:22] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168042 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] accesskeys in content do not work when chrome is focused
  292. # [22:24] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hrm, with e10s as far as I can tell there just isn't caret move events in nightly from content
  293. # [22:24] <joanie> huh?
  294. # [22:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: as in I can arrow around content but your listener doesn't show me any caret moved events
  295. # [22:25] <joanie> awesome
  296. # [22:25] <joanie> but try tabbing
  297. # [22:25] <joanie> with caret nav enabled
  298. # [22:25] <joanie> on google.com
  299. # [22:27] <joanie> tbsaunde: I need to run an errand before the place in question closes for the day. I'll be back in a bit.
  300. # [22:27] <@tbsaunde> joanie: k
  301. # [22:32] * Parts: clown (clown@moz-v6m.c3o.211.205.IP)
  302. # [22:32] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com on bug 1168042.
  303. # [22:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168042 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] accesskeys in content do not work when chrome is focused
  304. # [22:33] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1168042.
  305. # [22:36] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 1167937 from General to Disability Access APIs.
  306. # [22:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1167937 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — test_doc_busy.html attempts to install an empty XPI file, leaving behind a popup notification that i
  307. # [23:04] <@firebot> obara.justin@gmail.com requested needinfo from yzenevich@mozilla.com on bug 994715.
  308. # [23:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/994715 — NEW, obara.justin@gmail.com — [AccessFu] Add a screen reader notification for screen on/off.
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  310. # [23:11] * Quits: ~davidb (davidb@moz-f6pcim.dsl.bell.ca) (Quit: Blah blah blah)
  311. # [23:18] <joanie> tbsaunde: back. any luck?
  312. # [23:20] <@tbsaunde> joanie: nack
  313. # [23:20] <joanie> nack?
  314. # [23:21] <@tbsaunde> joanie: no luck
  315. # [23:21] <joanie> boo
  316. # [23:23] <@tbsaunde> joanie: so honestly I have no clue what's happening, but I'm just not seeing caret move events get fired for any content
  317. # [23:40] <@tbsaunde> joanie: well I'm not going to get anyway with this now, so I think I'm going to head out or something
  318. # [23:40] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok
  319. # [23:40] * @tbsaunde is just too sick of beating his head on walls
  320. # [23:41] <joanie> in the middle of something time sensitive
  321. # [23:41] <joanie> but let's chat tomorrow
  322. # [23:41] <@tbsaunde> joanie: sure
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  325. # Session Close: Wed May 27 00:00:00 2015

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