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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 29 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:16] <@eeejay> joanie: tbsaunde: why does orca sometimes see firefox, and sometimes doesn't? i can't get firefox in accerciser either
  6. # [00:17] <joanie> eeejay: I think it checks to see if accessibility is enabled
  7. # [00:17] <joanie> if you launch accerciser, quit firefox, and relaunch it, does it show up?
  8. # [00:18] <@eeejay> joanie: nope
  9. # [00:18] <@eeejay> joanie: do you work with nightly?
  10. # [00:18] <joanie> launch orca, quit firefox, and relaunch it?
  11. # [00:18] <joanie> not frequently, but currently
  12. # [00:18] <@eeejay> i'm assuming i need to disable e10s
  13. # [00:18] <joanie> yeah
  14. # [00:18] <joanie> but that shouldn't impact the app itself
  15. # [00:18] <@eeejay> joanie: that works. but why won't accerciser pick it up?
  16. # [00:18] <joanie> i.e. the chrome should still show up
  17. # [00:19] <@eeejay> so you don't blacklist it, or anything
  18. # [00:19] <joanie> my *guess* is that Orca has code to enable a11y for desktop environments that don't have it enabled by default
  19. # [00:19] <joanie> i.e. orca is setting a gsetting key that maybe accerciser isn't
  20. # [00:19] <joanie> and if that ain't it, dunno
  21. # [00:20] <joanie> blacklist it?
  22. # [00:20] <@eeejay> joanie: hm.. i see other apps in the registry in accerciser
  23. # [00:20] <@eeejay> joanie: e10s firefox. nm
  24. # [00:20] <joanie> yeah, a11y is always on now in gnome
  25. # [00:20] <@eeejay> just not firefox
  26. # [00:21] <joanie> ask tbsaunde or surkov
  27. # [00:21] <@eeejay> joanie: cool. thanks
  28. # [00:23] <@eeejay> joanie: ah.. needed to set GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY env
  29. # [00:23] <joanie> aha
  30. # [00:27] <@eeejay> this is trippy. debugging new firefox a11y dev tool with gnome a11y dev tool
  31. # [00:28] <joanie> :)
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  36. # [00:59] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: heh
  37. # [01:00] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: you shouldn't need to set that var, but I admitt I find it rather handy myself
  38. # [01:00] <@eeejay> tbsaunde: maybe because i didn't start my GNOME session with orca?
  39. # [01:04] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I don't think so, iirc orca poking atspi should make firefox see it needs to enable accessibility (or maybe firefox should just always enable accessibility)
  40. # [01:04] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: you can see accessible/atk/Platform.cpp for how we decide
  41. # [01:05] <@eeejay> tbsaunde: yeah, grep brought me there for the environment variable
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  76. # [14:53] <~davidb> heyooo
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  82. # [15:24] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hey, I think you broke something in orca with your bug fixing, if you navigate by headings on planet.mozilla.org do you get what you expect? I don't really
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  84. # [15:25] <joanie> tbsaunde: in a meeting but I'll look in a bit
  85. # [15:31] <@tbsaunde> joanie: sure no hurry
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  87. # [15:52] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok, in some cases Orca is presenting headings oddly on planet. So after today's meeting, I'll see if I can fix that. Thanks for pointing it out!!
  88. # [15:53] <@tbsaunde> joanie: cool :)
  89. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: When I ran into the issue the other day that e10s was not being turned off, I noticed that content documents currently fire no focus events when tabbing. In fact tab goes in there, e. g. I have to shift-tab an equal amount of times to get back to the browser chrome, but no speech.
  90. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Is that still expected at this stage?
  91. # [16:01] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: yeah, events for windows are something I'm working on now
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  93. # [16:02] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: All right! Just wanted to make sure I was dealing with something known. :)
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  96. # [16:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: uh why did you make all the flags in Accessible take more than 32 bits? that's really wasteful...
  97. # [16:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: too many flags you mean?
  98. # [16:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah
  99. # [16:35] <@tbsaunde> they're 33 its in total now
  100. # [16:36] <@surkov> yeah, on the other hand we have many free spots now :)
  101. # [16:36] <@surkov> we could cut down other things like groupPosition
  102. # [16:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what on earth are you going to do with 31 more bits
  103. # [16:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, please fix the fact that your really wasting a lot of space
  104. # [16:37] <@surkov> more states, it’s always not enough of them
  105. # [16:37] <@surkov> anyway, what would you do about flags?
  106. # [16:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, 31 is a lot and on 64 bit you have 63 more
  107. # [16:38] <@tbsaunde> off hand I'm not sure other than find some way to compress them
  108. # [16:38] <@tbsaunde> given its to late to just not add more :(
  109. # [16:39] <@surkov> flags is very convientet thing, I think we can reduce memory consuption by other ways
  110. # [16:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: if you want more flags fine, just don't put them there
  111. # [16:40] <@surkov> where to put them?
  112. # [16:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: turn mRoleMap into int and then put them in free space there maybe?
  113. # [16:41] <@surkov> that’s also a good way to cut down memory
  114. # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> mRoleMap can't be more than 8 bits of useful data which means 24 free spaces
  115. # [16:43] <@firebot> dmajor@bugmail.cc requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1100602.
  116. # [16:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1100602 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible::Shutdown()
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  122. # [17:08] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: surkov: Never thought flags or state bits could be big enough to even cause memory concerns. ;)
  123. # [17:08] <@surkov> MarcoZ: there are always memory concerns, flags is just one of the cases
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  128. # [17:39] <joanie> davidb: did we ever conclude when we'd do the meetup (august or sept)?
  129. # [17:39] <joanie> i've got to schedule other travel for around that time and need to know when I'm expected where. :)
  130. # [17:40] <~davidb> joanie, pushed to sept right now
  131. # [17:40] <joanie> which week?
  132. # [17:41] <~davidb> well yzen says he can probably do week of 7th afterall so looks like that week
  133. # [17:41] <&MarcoZ> davidb: joanie: I'd prefer the one of the 28th of September. I could then come in and participate in a11ycamp Toronto, which is supposedly on the 26th. This is the date they're aiming for at least. :)
  134. # [17:41] * ~davidb mumbles about herding cats
  135. # [17:41] <&MarcoZ> But if that doesn't work out, the week of the 7th will be just fine, too. :)
  136. # [17:41] <joanie> planning is hard, let's go shopping
  137. # [17:42] <~davidb> MarcoZ, if you can get eeejay to turn on that week, let's go for it
  138. # [17:42] <&MarcoZ> Yeah or have dinner, like I will in a bit. ;)
  139. # [17:42] <~davidb> turn *pause* on
  140. # [17:42] * &MarcoZ chuckles.
  141. # [17:43] * ~davidb shakes his fist at english
  142. # [17:46] <&MarcoZ> OK then, see you Monday!
  143. # [17:50] <~davidb> ciao!
  144. # [18:02] <~davidb> LUNCH
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  163. # [19:33] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1169701 filed by lorien@lorienhu.com.
  164. # [19:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1169701 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — ProxyEvent, ProxyStateChangeEvent, ProxyCaretMoveEvent should inform mozAccessible
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  170. # [20:56] <~davidb> surkov, any topics you want to schedule for whistler?
  171. # [20:57] <@surkov> not sure
  172. # [20:58] <~davidb> ok well we have some flexibility (i can edit the sched app)
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  193. # [23:02] <alexarnaud> Hi everybody!
  194. # [23:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 1166321.
  195. # [23:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1166321 from --- to FIXED.
  196. # [23:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1166321 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  197. # [23:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1166321.
  198. # [23:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1166321 from --- to mozilla41.
  199. # [23:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1166321 — FIXED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Add support for role="switch" accessible elements.
  200. # [23:03] <alexarnaud> Are they anyone here at this time ?
  201. # [23:03] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1168204 from --- to FIXED.
  202. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1168204 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  203. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1168204.
  204. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1168204 from --- to mozilla41.
  205. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1168202 from --- to FIXED.
  206. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1168202 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  207. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1168202.
  208. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1168202 from --- to mozilla41.
  209. # [23:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168202 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — ia2AccessibleHyperlink::get_anchor needs to give the caller a reference to the anchor
  210. # [23:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168204 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — Expose more interfaces to windows for proxied accessibles
  211. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1167358 from --- to FIXED.
  212. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1167358 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  213. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1167358.
  214. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1167358 from --- to mozilla41.
  215. # [23:04] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1167604 from --- to FIXED.
  216. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1167604 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  217. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1167604.
  218. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1167604 from --- to mozilla41.
  219. # [23:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1167358 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — use ProxyAccessible::Parent() a little more
  220. # [23:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1167604 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — don't hide ProxyAccessible::Parent() with DocAccessibleParent::Parent
  221. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1167295 from --- to FIXED.
  222. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1167295 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  223. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1167295.
  224. # [23:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1167295 from --- to mozilla41.
  225. # [23:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1167295 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — manage PDocAccessible with PBrowser instead of PContent
  226. # [23:07] <@tbsaunde> alexarnaud: hi
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  228. # [23:08] <alexarnaud> Good, I have a problem.
  229. # [23:09] <alexarnaud> I'm visual impaired and in WIndows, the screen magnifier quit with shorcut Windows+espace.
  230. # [23:09] <alexarnaud> The is on firefox HTML5 player, it catches the esapce.
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  232. # [23:10] <alexarnaud> tbsaunde: It's a major regretion for users of Windows buit-in screen magnifier.
  233. # [23:11] <alexarnaud> The flash player haven't this issue.
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  235. # [23:13] <@tbsaunde> alexarnaud: file a bug
  236. # [23:14] <Noah_> alexarnaud: was this a problem on the previous of firefox as well?
  237. # [23:14] <alexarnaud> Yes, the problem exist since the first version of the HTML5 player.
  238. # [23:16] <alexarnaud> I hope will be FIrefox is capable to fix this.
  239. # [23:18] <Noah_> alexarnaud: if you could help us create a bug report, I'll show this to any interested developer
  240. # [23:19] <Noah_> alexarnaud: you can register a account here with bugzilla - our bug reporting tool
  241. # [23:19] <Noah_> here's a link to register a account there: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/createaccount.cgi
  242. # [23:20] <alexarnaud> Ok, I don't know bugzilla. Which is the best category for the bug ?
  243. # [23:20] <alexarnaud> Isn't a trivial bug ? Isn't a bug in event managment ?
  244. # [23:21] <Noah_> alexarnaud: I'm not qualified to say how hard it is to fix but I can help you file the bug correctly
  245. # [23:21] <Noah_> you can use this link to file the bug after you register: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Firefox
  246. # [23:24] <alexarnaud> Noah_: I'm registrated.
  247. # [23:26] <Noah_> alexarnaud: ok great. now visit https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Firefox
  248. # [23:31] <alexarnaud> Noah_: For the expected result I have wrote : The fullscreen mode will be exited only on alone escape
  249. # [23:32] <alexarnaud> Is it correct in english ? (I'm french)
  250. # [23:41] <Noah_> alexarnaud: that's fine
  251. # [23:43] <Noah_> alexarnaud: or you could change that to: The fullscreen mode will be exited only using the escape key
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  255. # [23:48] <alexarnaud> Noah_: thank you
  256. # [23:50] <Noah_> alexarnaud: you're welcome. are you still filing out the bug or have you finished it?
  257. # [23:50] <alexarnaud> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169817
  258. # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug 1169817 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows : Bad escape key handling HTML5 player with screen magnifier
  259. # [23:51] <alexarnaud> Noah_: As you see, it's on the hand of FIrefox dev ^^.
  260. # [23:51] <Noah_> alexarnaud: perfectly filed bug! :)
  261. # [23:51] <Noah_> alexarnaud: exactly. hopefully someone will be able to fix that or suggest a workaround
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  264. # Session Close: Sat May 30 00:00:00 2015

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