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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jun 05 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1171728 filed by mh+mozilla@glandium.org.
  7. # [00:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1171728 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Crash @ mozilla::a11y::AccessibleWrap::GetAtkObject(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*) after bug 1169376
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  62. # [12:03] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1171887 filed by felash@gmail.com.
  63. # [12:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1171887 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Pressing "page down" with a "position: fixed" heading sometimes misses some lines
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  84. # [14:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: orca master gets stuck a lot for me e.g. the actual text on https://wiki.debian.org/Apache has a couple of spots in the first few lines
  85. # [14:44] <~davidb> heyo
  86. # [14:45] <~davidb> (WFH today)
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  91. # [15:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I thought you were coming in?
  92. # [15:05] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok, I'll take a look. sorry and thanks!
  93. # [15:05] <~davidb> tbsaunde, yeah me too, sorry
  94. # [15:05] <~davidb> totally forgot no school today, wife is presenting at a conference
  95. # [15:07] <~davidb> tbsaunde, does tuesday afternoon work?
  96. # [15:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: for less urgent stuff yeah
  97. # [15:07] <@tbsaunde> I think the most urgent think is pretty simple so don't worry about it
  98. # [15:08] <joanie> tbsaunde: Using Orca master I was able to Down Arrow from the top of that page to the bottom. Where is Orca getting stuck for you?
  99. # [15:08] <@tbsaunde> davidb: why do the kids get off?
  100. # [15:08] <@tbsaunde> joanie: let me run again
  101. # [15:10] <~davidb> tbsaunde, it is called a P A day
  102. # [15:11] <~davidb> "Sometimes teachers NEED a day to work on some stuff over at school or maybe redecorate the class. So the board just plans out P.A. days for the whole division. If students were in school, the teachers would have to make a lesson plan and waste their valuable and much needed time at school teaching the students. "
  103. # [15:11] <@tbsaunde> davidb: lol wat
  104. # [15:12] * ~davidb flips a pancake
  105. # [15:12] <~davidb> yeah. there are a bunch every year. teachers union etc etc.
  106. # [15:13] <~davidb> (i will admit though, being a teacher is draining)
  107. # [15:13] <SteveF> hey joinie :-)
  108. # [15:13] <SteveF> joinie/joanie
  109. # [15:13] <joanie> Hey SteveF. :)
  110. # [15:13] <@tbsaunde> joanie: arg! now I can't reproduce sorry
  111. # [15:14] <joanie> tbsaunde: ok, if it happens again, please get me a full debug.out
  112. # [15:14] <joanie> it's so chocked full of debugging output that hopefully the problem will be obvious
  113. # [15:14] <SteveF> joanie: quick question, does Orca announce a <form> element as a landmark?
  114. # [15:14] <joanie> SteveF: Lemme check
  115. # [15:15] <SteveF> thanks
  116. # [15:15] <joanie> SteveF: yes
  117. # [15:15] <joanie> application, banner, complementary, contentinfo, form, main, navigation, region, search
  118. # [15:15] <SteveF> so <from> gets treated as <foo role=form>?
  119. # [15:16] <SteveF> <from>/<form>
  120. # [15:16] <joanie> ah, that would depend
  121. # [15:16] <joanie> lemme do a quick test or two
  122. # [15:17] <SteveF> thinking that announcing <form> elements as landmarks is not such a good idea as they are often used to contain non form content as well as form content
  123. # [15:18] <joanie> so just a <form> no
  124. # [15:18] <SteveF> OK cool thanks, thst good
  125. # [15:18] <joanie> Orca is looking for landmark-specific stuff
  126. # [15:18] <SteveF> only when role=form
  127. # [15:18] <joanie> unless user agents make that mapping for <form>
  128. # [15:18] <SteveF> there are many .net pages which have all content wrapped in a form elelemnt...
  129. # [15:18] <joanie> yuck
  130. # [15:19] <SteveF> well thats what i am looking into, should the default role for a <form> element be role=form (i think not)
  131. # [15:19] * joanie nods
  132. # [15:19] <SteveF> will file a bug on myself :-)
  133. # [15:19] <joanie> :)
  134. # [15:19] <joanie> sounds good
  135. # [15:20] <SteveF> thanks for your time
  136. # [15:20] <joanie> thanks for asking! :)
  137. # [15:20] <SteveF> hey you coming to zaragoza?
  138. # [15:20] <joanie> I intend to, yes
  139. # [15:20] <joanie> Léonie and I (and I guess you?) will talk about panels and generic roles and the like
  140. # [15:20] <SteveF> great place, my wife was born there, and she has family there so i vist often
  141. # [15:20] <joanie> nice
  142. # [15:21] <joanie> Igalia HQ is close enough that I figured I would go there before or after to remind myself and my colleagues that we are not figments of each others' imaginations
  143. # [15:21] <SteveF> yeah, cool well see you next month, and by the way i am in the table and cell camp
  144. # [15:21] <SteveF> where is that Italy?
  145. # [15:21] <joanie> The consensus from yesterday's meeting is merge it
  146. # [15:21] <joanie> Spain
  147. # [15:21] <joanie> Galicia
  148. # [15:21] <SteveF> oh really, OK
  149. # [15:22] <SteveF> merge it?
  150. # [15:22] <joanie> there's a table-and-cell branch
  151. # [15:22] <joanie> I do all work in a branch
  152. # [15:22] <joanie> so people can view it in rawgit
  153. # [15:22] <joanie> and see the full taxonomy, etc.
  154. # [15:22] <SteveF> ah ok so they want table and cell as separate roles?
  155. # [15:22] <joanie> yes
  156. # [15:22] <SteveF> cool
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  159. # [15:27] <~davidb> tbsaunde, do you have a reviewer for the urgent but simple thing?
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  162. # [15:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think lsocks can deal with it
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  164. # [15:30] <~davidb> groovy
  165. # [15:31] <@tbsaunde> I would really feel terrible about pushing it r=me if it had broken tests
  166. # [15:31] <@tbsaunde> err wouldn't
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  168. # [15:39] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: I agree with joanie re <form> not to be mapped to role="form". :) FWIW.
  169. # [15:39] <&MarcoZ> (and with you)
  170. # [15:39] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  171. # [15:39] <~davidb> hi hi
  172. # [15:39] <SteveF> MarcoZ: right, will file a big on spec
  173. # [15:40] <SteveF> big/bug
  174. # [15:41] <@tbsaunde> smaug: ping
  175. # [15:48] <smaug> tbsaunde: pong
  176. # [15:49] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hey, so we have a race where DocAccessibleChild can send __delete__ and the parent not recv it before sending the child something like State()
  177. # [15:50] <@tbsaunde> so I guess we should have the child send the parent a please delete me message
  178. # [15:50] <@tbsaunde> but that doesn't seem to work either because the child can send the please delete me message, and then the TabChild is killed and so the DocAccessibleChild goes away before getting the __delete__ from the parent
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  180. # [15:52] <smaug> hmm
  181. # [15:52] <smaug> thinking
  182. # [15:52] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'm not sure
  183. # [15:52] <@tbsaunde> I guess maybe TabChild could also do the please delete me thing, but I expect that setup has good reasons
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  185. # [15:54] <smaug> trying to recall the protocol destroy setup
  186. # [15:55] <smaug> we have several steps for PBrowser
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  190. # [15:56] <@tbsaunde> smaug: oic
  191. # [15:56] <smaug> so TabChild gets RecvDestroyed
  192. # [15:57] <smaug> tbsaunde: could the parent side of a11y check if TabParent::mIsDestroyed is true and not send anything to child then
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  195. # [15:59] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah I could do that
  196. # [16:00] <@tbsaunde> lets just see if it works ;-)
  197. # [16:00] <smaug> so, tabparent sends Destroy to tabchild and at the end of RecvDestroy TabChild dispatches a runnable which then calls Send__delete__
  198. # [16:01] <smaug> and I guess the a11y stuff should call Send__delete__ before Send__delete__ is called on TabChild
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  200. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah I think when __delete__ is called on TaChild then a11y stuff is destroyed by ipdl
  201. # [16:05] <smaug> yeah, I guess since PBrowser is the manager
  202. # [16:07] * ~davidb hopes smaug can review the resulting patch
  203. # [16:08] <smaug> sure
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  207. # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> yzen: did gaia-ui-tests get replaced with something?
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  209. # [16:14] <@yzen> tbsaunde not really, still there (python ones)
  210. # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> yzen: interesting lsocks claims that not on trychooser
  211. # [16:15] <@yzen> tbsaunde they are under Gip, the seem to run for all things committed into gaia-master
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  227. # [17:57] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1171995 filed by lorien@lorienhu.com.
  228. # [17:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1171995 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — Handle proxies in mozAccessible methods accessibility{IsIgnored,AttributeNames,AttributeValue,HitTes
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  241. # [19:58] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1172053 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  242. # [19:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1172053 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — use malloc a little less when dispatching atk events
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