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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 17 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  4. # [00:22] <fredw> joanie: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8837066
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  7. # [00:40] <joanie> surkov: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8837068
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  12. # [01:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1175335 filed by fred.wang@free.fr.
  13. # [01:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175335 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Distinguish msqrt from mroot by an object attribute
  14. # [01:22] <fredw> surkov: when you have time, can you try https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=23b07f7a76f9 with VoiceOver and the mac accessibility explorer?
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  16. # [02:11] <fredw> joanie: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8837077
  17. # [02:22] <fredw> joanie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral#Terminology_and_notation
  18. # [02:23] <fredw> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8837081
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  39. # [04:57] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Assignee on bug 1175269 from nobody@mozilla.org to fred.wang@free.fr.
  40. # [04:57] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 1175269 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  41. # [04:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175269 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — Add MathML roles/subroles for NSAccessibility
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  65. # [11:54] <@firebot> mdeboer@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(mdeboer@mozilla.com) on bug 492557.
  66. # [11:54] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/492557 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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  89. # [14:47] <~davidb> heyooo
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  96. # [15:09] <~davidb> surkov, think we need to pay attention here: https://twitter.com/rschwer/status/611136097486139392 ?
  97. # [15:09] <~davidb> also, what time are out guests arriving?
  98. # [15:09] <~davidb> (today)
  99. # [15:10] <@surkov> I’d say we should
  100. # [15:10] <@surkov> about now I think
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  103. # [15:11] <~davidb> surkov, ok so we pick straws?
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  105. # [15:12] <&MarcoZ> Heyo davidb and surkov! :)
  106. # [15:12] <~davidb> hi hi hi
  107. # [15:12] <@surkov> hey, MarcoZ
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  109. # [15:12] <@surkov> davidb: not sure I follow you
  110. # [15:13] <~davidb> surkov, picking straws is like flipping a coin, deciding who is selected
  111. # [15:13] <@surkov> is it about svg stuff?
  112. # [15:13] <~davidb> "drawing straws" is more correct i think
  113. # [15:13] <~davidb> yrah
  114. # [15:13] <~davidb> yeah
  115. # [15:14] <~davidb> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_straws)
  116. # [15:14] <@surkov> not exactly I think
  117. # [15:15] <@surkov> but that’s an usual consequence of resources lack
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  119. # [15:17] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from markcapella@twcny.rr.com on bug 1150510.
  120. # [15:17] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
  121. # [15:19] <&MarcoZ> davidb: That's a name I hadn't seen in a while. ;)
  122. # [15:19] <&MarcoZ> I mean Mark Capella.
  123. # [15:20] <~davidb> :)
  124. # [15:20] <~davidb> that bug is such a PITA
  125. # [15:22] <@lsocks> annoyingly, I only seem to get that crash on stable and not nightly
  126. # [15:23] <~davidb> lsocks, the one you pastbin'd me yesterday?
  127. # [15:23] <~davidb> or the GetStringFromName yeah only stable
  128. # [15:23] <@lsocks> no, the string one
  129. # [15:24] <~davidb> err I should say, only non-debug and not built locally
  130. # [15:24] <~davidb> it does crash for me in downloaded nightly
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  133. # [15:35] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Did you have any luck with those debug symbols maybe?
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  135. # [15:53] <~davidb> MarcoZ, i'm setting up my build env now
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  140. # [16:00] <fredw> joanie: surkov: sorry for the delay, I arrive in a moment
  141. # [16:00] <@surkov> hey, no worries
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  146. # [16:20] <@surkov> joanie: bug 623927
  147. # [16:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/623927 — REOPENED, nobody@mozilla.org — Expose 'Gecko' as the 'toolkit' via an AtkObject attribute
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  151. # [16:56] <fredw> surkov: FYI, here is a page that uses parallel presentation/content markup http://arxmliv.kwarc.info/files/1206/1206.7107/1206.7107.xhtml
  152. # [16:57] <@surkov> I know this is doable, I was curious if it’s part of mathml best practices on the web
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  155. # [17:02] <fredw> well http://arxmliv.kwarc.info/ gives examples for the whole arXiv papers, but no in practice we really only find presentation MathML atm... http://drmf.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page provides more examples.
  156. # [17:06] <&MarcoZ> I like all the good that is coming out of this collaboration happening in Toronto right now! :)
  157. # [17:07] <~davidb> ditto
  158. # [17:07] <~davidb> i'd like to assign them desks
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  160. # [17:08] <&MarcoZ> :-)
  161. # [17:13] <~davidb> this spew in my shell is normal right? "###!!! [Child][OnMaybeDequeueOne] Error: Channel error: cannot send/recv"
  162. # [17:13] <~davidb> (when shutting down)
  163. # [17:15] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 597256 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  164. # [17:15] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 597256 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  165. # [17:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/597256 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — on full screen
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  172. # [17:26] <@surkov> davidb: where are you?
  173. # [17:26] <~davidb> surkov, desk
  174. # [17:27] <@surkov> davidb: meeting room?
  175. # [17:27] <~davidb> surkov, BS will be in Don Mills (orange room)
  176. # [17:27] <@surkov> where is it? :)
  177. # [17:27] <~davidb> surkov, NE corner-ish
  178. # [17:28] <~davidb> Gijs, can you join today?
  179. # [17:28] <Gijs> davidb: in another mtg at the minute - I thought today was mobile as last week was desktop and got cancelled?
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  183. # [17:31] <~davidb> Gijs, nope :) i guess you go until the hour?
  184. # [17:32] <~davidb> maybe we'll focus on math a11y today
  185. # [17:32] <Gijs> davidb: yeah, not a good time to break away, very sorry
  186. # [17:32] <~davidb> not sure we expect eeejay today
  187. # [17:32] <Gijs> davidb: please needinfo/email if there's stuff that's blocked on me/desktop team
  188. # [17:32] * Gijs thinks most things that we poked other people about last time hasn't gotten a response yet :(
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  190. # [17:32] <~davidb> lsocks is probably debugging :)
  191. # [17:33] <~davidb> Gijs, ok
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  193. # [17:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1150510.
  194. # [17:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
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  199. # [17:55] <~davidb> Gijs, no new actions for you. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/BarrierSmash/Meetings/2015-06-17
  200. # [17:58] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Please explain. ;) I am still getting confused about &, *, ** and what not in C/C++ after 20 years. You are now sending the variable itself instead of a pointer to it, right?
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  202. # [17:59] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I didn’t proved it’s working yet unfortunately, that’s rather a crazy idea
  203. # [18:00] <@surkov> I just not sure where those NS_LITERAL_STRING are stored, so just copied their values
  204. # [18:00] <@surkov> MarcoZ: you know what’s strange that when I download the build then it says dmg is corrupted, not sure what’s wrong
  205. # [18:00] <@surkov> MarcoZ: if you can try that on your machine it’d be great
  206. # [18:01] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Will do in a second.
  207. # [18:01] <@surkov> thanks!
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  209. # [18:01] <&MarcoZ> I encountered that problem a few weeks ago as well. Not sure what was wrong.
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  213. # [18:18] <&MarcoZ> surkov: No crash.
  214. # [18:19] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(markcapella@twcny.rr.com) on bug 1150510.
  215. # [18:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
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  218. # [18:33] <@surkov> MarcoZ: awesome!
  219. # [18:39] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1150510 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  220. # [18:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1150510 — NEW, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Crash [@ nsStringBundle::GetStringFromName(char16_t const*, char16_t**) ]
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  242. # [19:55] <askalski> hi everybody!
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  244. # [19:55] <~davidb> heyooo
  245. # [19:55] <askalski> how are you?
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  247. # [19:56] <~davidb> askalski, getting by fighting the good fight etc etc, you?
  248. # [19:57] <askalski> davidb, writing web app for education
  249. # [19:57] <~davidb> cool
  250. # [19:57] <askalski> yeah, and I have some questions :)
  251. # [19:57] <askalski> at some point I could use a review whether my interface is accessible
  252. # [19:57] <askalski> it
  253. # [19:58] <askalski> it uses MathML/MathJax
  254. # [19:58] <~davidb> askalski, if you tweet a link i will retweet and you will get lots of testing :)
  255. # [19:58] <~davidb> so on IE then?
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  258. # [19:58] <~davidb> (or Edge I guess)
  259. # [19:58] <askalski> what about IE, I haven't tested there
  260. # [19:58] <~davidb> oh i guess we have an addon
  261. # [19:59] <~davidb> sorry was thinking of an IE only solution
  262. # [19:59] <askalski> yeah, so I pushed my client a lot this direction
  263. # [19:59] * ~davidb nods
  264. # [19:59] <askalski> I mean "don't drop accessibility"
  265. # [19:59] <askalski> now I am wondering
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  268. # [20:01] <askalski> in Poland there are some government programs supporting accessibility in education
  269. # [20:01] <askalski> I was wondering if you are aware what is the situation in other countries
  270. # [20:01] <~davidb> (I was thinking about mathplayer earlier I think)
  271. # [20:01] <~davidb> askalski, probably different for each.
  272. # [20:02] <~davidb> grants exist in canada
  273. # [20:02] <~davidb> at least last time i checked
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  275. # [20:03] <askalski> ok, so I'll google then. I was hoping there might be a board where such programmes are linked (aggregated)
  276. # [20:03] <~davidb> doubt it :)
  277. # [20:03] <askalski> also I was wondering if there are some conferences we could attend to learn more
  278. # [20:04] <~davidb> i'd search that too
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  280. # [20:04] <~davidb> fredw might know
  281. # [20:04] <askalski> OK, thanks :)
  282. # [20:04] <~davidb> np
  283. # [20:04] <askalski> as soon as I get the greenlight I will come back with a public link :)
  284. # [20:05] <~davidb> sgtm
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  289. # [20:09] <askalski> ok, getting back to work. thanks!
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  292. # [20:11] <~davidb> ditto :)
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  303. # [20:43] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Assignee on bug 1175335 from nobody@mozilla.org to fred.wang@free.fr.
  304. # [20:43] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 1175335 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  305. # [20:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175335 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — Distinguish msqrt from mroot
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  310. # [21:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1175640 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  311. # [21:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175640 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Consider exposing sub and sup elements as accessible objects rather than text attributes
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  320. # [21:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 1175164.
  321. # [21:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1175164 from --- to FIXED.
  322. # [21:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1175164 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  323. # [21:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1175164.
  324. # [21:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1175164 from --- to mozilla41.
  325. # [21:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175164 — FIXED, fred.wang@free.fr — Do not expose MathML semantics element in the accessibility tree
  326. # [21:19] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1175182 from --- to FIXED.
  327. # [21:19] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1175182 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  328. # [21:19] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1175182.
  329. # [21:19] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1175182 from --- to mozilla41.
  330. # [21:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175182 — FIXED, fred.wang@free.fr — Expose fractions and roots as ATK_ROLE_PANEL for ATK < 2.16
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  335. # [22:00] <joanie> surkov: http://fpaste.org/233286/
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  339. # [22:22] <fredw> surkov: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=7cf528567525
  340. # [22:23] <fredw> surkov: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/fred.wang@free.fr-7cf528567525/try-macosx64/firefox-41.0a1.en-US.mac.dmg
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  349. # [23:33] <@firebot> gingerbread_man@live.com changed the Component on bug 1175615 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  350. # [23:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1175615 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — ctrl+k changed and inconsistent behavior
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  357. # [23:57] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com set status-firefox39 to unaffected on bug 1172538.
  358. # [23:57] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com set status-firefox40 to unaffected on bug 1172538.
  359. # [23:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1172538 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — make sure a document has an IPC actor before shutting it down
  360. # Session Close: Thu Jun 18 00:00:00 2015

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