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  56. # [08:14] <Funktr0n> hey yzen, you around? Looking for another bug while I wait for the last one to be reviewed
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  59. # [08:16] <@yzen> hey Funktr0n yeah, about to go offline, but sure
  60. # [08:17] <Funktr0n> yzen ok, np, anything will work. Just let me know the Bug and I'll take it
  61. # [08:17] <@yzen> we recently regressed statusbar for gaia again , it was refactored for performance :S here's the bug if you want to take a look at it https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177477 i think it shuoldn't be too complicatted
  62. # [08:17] <@firebot> Bug 1177477 — NEW, apastor@mozilla.com — Accessibility Regression in Status bar.
  63. # [08:17] <@yzen> ah wait taken already
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  68. # [08:18] <@yzen> Funktr0n ^
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  72. # [08:20] <Funktr0n> yzen okay, cool
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  74. # [08:24] <@yzen> Funktr0n this one was one list for a while, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1106492 but neither I nor eeejay had time to get to this
  75. # [08:24] <@firebot> Bug 1106492 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Lockscreen] Can't unlock screen when user enable Password and Screen reader.
  76. # [08:25] <Funktr0n> Okay awesome, just took it
  77. # [08:26] <Funktr0n> yzen, I'll get started, thanks!
  78. # [08:26] <@yzen> Funktr0n thanks, ni? me in the bug if you get stuck , i think it has to do the with lockscreen state machine that might have a bug, anyways thanks!
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  80. # [08:26] <Funktr0n> yzen, will do!
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  84. # [10:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1179147 filed by fred.wang@free.fr.
  85. # [10:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1179147 — NEW, fred.wang@free.fr — merror, mphantom and mstyle should be exposed a AXMathRow
  86. # [10:26] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 1179147 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
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  95. # [11:37] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 1179166 filed by cbook@mozilla.com.
  96. # [11:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1179166 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_range.html | application terminated with exit code -11
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  106. # [14:47] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Assignee on bug 1178817 from nobody@mozilla.org to fred.wang@free.fr.
  107. # [14:47] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 1178817 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  108. # [14:47] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1178817 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — Reliable segfault in mozilla::a11y::HTMLTableRowAccessible::GroupPosition() in Nightly
  109. # [15:04] <fredw> Hi joanie. I submitted a try build for the crash you reported https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=af72943d393f
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  112. # [15:05] <fredw> joanie: What about bug 1177765? Will xml-roles "presubscript", "subscript", "presuperscript" and "superscript" work for you to implement mmultiscripts (and other scripted elements)?
  113. # [15:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1177765 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — Add xmlroles for MathML
  114. # [15:06] <joanie> fredw: thanks. I'll try it later today. Many meetings. :-/
  115. # [15:06] <joanie> fredw: I'm not sure about xml-roles for MathML
  116. # [15:07] <joanie> unless we have MathML ARIA (which I think might be a good idea)
  117. # [15:07] <joanie> xml-roles is where ARIA roles go
  118. # [15:07] <joanie> and while I cannot think of a good reason why someone would use an ARIA role (a non-math ARIA role) in MathML....
  119. # [15:08] <joanie> if someone did do that, what happens to the xml-roles value?
  120. # [15:08] <joanie> are you appending the non-ARIA role?
  121. # [15:08] <joanie> or prepending it?
  122. # [15:08] <joanie> and how does an AT know what is author specified versus what you have hacked into the value?
  123. # [15:09] <joanie> so.... long way of saying, "not jazzed" and possibly even "bad idea" (though the latter comes with a "?") :)
  124. # [15:10] <joanie> having said all that, I've since come up with a lame tag+children hack for now
  125. # [15:10] <joanie> for the scripts
  126. # [15:11] <joanie> because I want to commit something this week before heading to the HTML A11y Task Force meeting in Europe
  127. # [15:11] <fredw> joanie: xml-roles is a list of roles. The MathML "roles" are merged with the ARIA roles. (surkov suggested that, I don't know whether it's a good or bad idea). As I said elsewhere, perhaps doing relations will be best. Another proposal was bug 1177601
  128. # [15:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1177601 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Expose semantics of inner Math relations.
  129. # [15:12] <fredw> joanie: ok. So you mean for mmultiscripts too (this is the painful one)
  130. # [15:12] <joanie> I'll ask the ARIA task force what they think about using xml-roles for non-roles
  131. # [15:12] <joanie> but the more I think of it the more I don't like it
  132. # [15:13] <joanie> anyhoo, I need to prep for meetings, etc.
  133. # [15:14] * @tbsaunde is highly dubious of adding aria to mathml
  134. # [15:14] <joanie> tbsaunde: quick example of why I think it might be handy: Is a superscript an exponent/power or not?
  135. # [15:14] <joanie> it would be nice to say "to the power of"
  136. # [15:15] <joanie> but you cannot know why the sup in an msup is there
  137. # [15:15] * joanie closes chat window so as not to be distracted by interesting topics such as these. :)
  138. # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> there's no difference if you read the print so I don't see why there should be for voice
  139. # [15:18] <@tbsaunde> and if you do want to distinguish them in mark up then I think that belongs in mathml not some thing piled on the top
  140. # [15:18] <fredw> There are more advanced languages like Content MathML or OpenMath to describe the exact semantic of a formula. I don't think we want to add this to ARIA.
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  142. # [15:20] <fredw> Bug 1177765 was to help AT clients to determine e.g. if a MathML element is a numerator of a fraction or a superscript, without having to check the parent.
  143. # [15:20] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1177765 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — Add xmlroles for MathML
  144. # [15:21] <fredw> The use of xml-roles for that purpose is not fundamental. And given the conflict with ARIA, it was probably not a good idea.
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  147. # [15:56] <fredw> hi yzen: is the localization file dom/locales/en-US/chrome/accessibility/AccessFu.properties only for Android?
  148. # [15:56] <fredw> because you said that FirefoxOS uses something different
  149. # [15:57] <@yzen> fredw that's correct, for firefox os (gaia) it is here: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/tv_apps/smart-system/locales/accessibility.en-US.properties and https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/apps/system/locales/accessibility.en-US.properties
  150. # [15:59] <fredw> yzen: thanks. So I guess that means separate patches for these repo...
  151. # [15:59] <@yzen> fredw yeah
  152. # [15:59] <@yzen> that one will be just a pull request on Github
  153. # [16:05] <fredw> yzen: OK, I'll do that later when the other patch is ready. I tested on Android and updated the AccessFu column on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/MathML_Project/a11y
  154. # [16:06] <fredw> yzen: I've some questions about the implementation. How do we distinguish "<msqrt><mi>x</mi><mi>y</mi></msqrt>" and "<msqrt><mi>x</mi></msqrt><mi>y</mi>"? Both are "read x square root y". It's only when swipe back that I can see that the y is inside or outside the radical
  155. # [16:06] <@yzen> fredw looks awesome
  156. # [16:07] <@yzen> fredw and it's a valid formula?
  157. # [16:07] <fredw> yzen: In latex, I mean "\sqrt{xy}" VS "\sqrt{x} y"
  158. # [16:08] <@yzen> fredw so the operator between x and y can be optional ?
  159. # [16:08] <fredw> yzen: it's an implicit product
  160. # [16:08] <@yzen> fredw btw there's one type where in one cell has scriped instead of scripted
  161. # [16:08] <@yzen> s/type/typo
  162. # [16:08] <@yzen> :)
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  164. # [16:12] <fredw> yzen: thanks, fixed. So my point is that when I do swipe 1, I enter the square root and arrive on the and it is read "x square root". Then when I do swipe 2, I move to the y and it says "y". I think something like "end of square root" would help, but I don't know if that fits well in current AccessFu code.
  165. # [16:14] <@yzen> fredw yeah not supported at the moment. one approach that might work is, if we know that a x is the last child of the square root to say 'end of square root', but i feel like it
  166. # [16:15] <@yzen> 's too verbose
  167. # [16:16] <fredw> yzen: OK, another question was for the first row "x+1". I think it would be better if it was read with only one swipe, not three.
  168. # [16:16] <fredw> x+2 :-)
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  170. # [16:16] <@yzen> fredw ok, that depends on the traversal rules,
  171. # [16:17] <@yzen> fredw you can have some special cases similar to how we already have ones for simple list items etc
  172. # [16:17] <@yzen> for example if the expression is flat (not nested) land on it and ignore subtree
  173. # [16:17] <fredw> yzen: yes, that seems to be what we want
  174. # [16:18] <@yzen> yeah
  175. # [16:18] <@yzen> fredw take a look at how traversal of li's is done
  176. # [16:18] <@yzen> or headers
  177. # [16:19] <fredw> yzen: I will. For now I'm working on math tables. BTW, one question: are there some special ways to browse tables? (like moving row by row or column by column)
  178. # [16:19] * @yzen looking
  179. # [16:20] <@yzen> fredw not at the moment now, but that could be useful
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  181. # [16:20] <fredw> OK. Perhaps MarcoZ can say more about table navigation...
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  183. # [16:41] <sixtyten> what is the standard api for getting/setting zoom levels? I only found https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Accessibility/Embedding_API_for_Accessibility so far but no JS counterpart
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  185. # [17:21] <@eeejay> Headed to a doctor appointment, won't make bs
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  189. # [18:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1179284 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  190. # [18:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1179284 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Skip subtree for Roles.STATUSBAR if the explicit label is present.
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  222. # [22:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1178817 from --- to FIXED.
  223. # [22:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1178817 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  224. # [22:41] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox42 to fixed on bug 1178817.
  225. # [22:42] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1178817 from --- to mozilla42.
  226. # [22:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1178817 — FIXED, fred.wang@free.fr — Reliable segfault in mozilla::a11y::HTMLTableRowAccessible::GroupPosition() in Nightly
  227. # [22:42] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1179147 from --- to FIXED.
  228. # [22:42] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1179147 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  229. # [22:42] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox42 to fixed on bug 1179147.
  230. # [22:42] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1179147 from --- to mozilla42.
  231. # [22:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1179147 — FIXED, fred.wang@free.fr — merror and mstyle should be exposed as AXMathRow
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  233. # [23:12] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1179483 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  234. # [23:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1179483 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Reliable segfault in mozilla::a11y::HyperTextAccessible::RelationByType() in Nightly
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