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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jul 31 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  33. # [12:42] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1176292 from --- to FIXED.
  34. # [12:42] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1176292 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  35. # [12:42] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox42 to fixed on bug 1176292.
  36. # [12:42] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1176292 from --- to mozilla42.
  37. # [12:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1176292 — FIXED, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] Add ability to apply "shade" to screen
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  42. # [14:30] <~davidb> heyo
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  49. # [16:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to affected on bug 1182097.
  50. # [16:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1182097 — REOPENED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Disable e10s for a11y users in FF41
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  63. # [18:36] <@firebot> rkothari@mozilla.com requested needinfo from felipc@gmail.com on bug 1182097.
  64. # [18:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1182097 — REOPENED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Disable e10s for a11y users in FF41
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  67. # [18:51] <@firebot> felipc@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(felipc@gmail.com) on bug 1182097.
  68. # [18:51] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1182097 — REOPENED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Disable e10s for a11y users in FF41
  69. # [19:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: hey, when you have a minute could you look at what orca reads in the print dialog with nightly? I kind of suspect its reading a little more than it should probably because of the gtk3 switch
  70. # [19:25] <joanie> tbsaunde: i'll look in a bit
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  72. # [19:31] <@tbsaunde> joanie: thanks!
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  76. # [19:44] <~davidb> tbsaunde, for at least all new code I think we should "Always brace controlled statements" (Mozilla style guide)
  77. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: what's up?
  78. # [19:45] <~davidb> tbsaunde, was just reading your nits about adding a spacer line
  79. # [19:45] <~davidb> i think we should brace
  80. # [19:46] <~davidb> always have, always will :)
  81. # [19:46] <~davidb> and surkov finally acquiesced
  82. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> I prefer not in general, but don't really care
  83. # [19:47] <~davidb> tbsaunde, if you don't really care, let's follow style guide.
  84. # [19:48] <~davidb> but we have to all agree (grudgingly or not)
  85. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm mostly just curious why you bring it up now
  86. # [19:48] <~davidb> no special reason
  87. # [19:49] <@tbsaunde> also I don't really want to spend time commenting about it
  88. # [19:49] <~davidb> that's fine, but for future let's try to converge
  89. # [19:49] <~davidb> (please)
  90. # [19:50] <~davidb> </bikeshed>
  91. # [19:50] <~davidb> oh i should see if there are diff CheckDocTree stacks...
  92. # [19:51] <@tbsaunde> yeah, that'd be a useful way to spend time
  93. # [19:52] <~davidb> tbsaunde, so far just 3 stacks and they all have RecvHideEvent in frame 1
  94. # [19:54] * ~davidb wonders what tbsaunde thinks of the 'Switch to Google C++ Style Wholesale' thread usefulness
  95. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: mostly the people involved should talk to there manager about what useful work they can be doing
  96. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, probably best to wait another day or two for more data I think he just have one nightly so far
  97. # [19:56] * ~davidb no longer wonders
  98. # [19:56] <~davidb> yeah
  99. # [19:57] <~davidb> oh yeah monday is a holiday
  100. # [20:17] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1186528.
  101. # [20:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1186528 — NEW, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — crash in mozalloc_abort(char const* const) | NS_DebugBreak | mozilla::a11y::PDocAccessible::Transiti
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  107. # [21:33] <@tbsaunde> davidb: any idea what's up with jimm's changes to bug 1099153?
  108. # [21:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1099153 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyDestroyed(mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible*)
  109. # [21:35] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i'd assume he didn't notice the sister bug
  110. # [21:36] <~davidb> i'll ping him
  111. # [21:37] <~davidb> ok he'll take a look (and probably fix it) - in a bit since he is in a meeting
  112. # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> fair enough, I wonder ifthe patch in the other bug didn't fix it or what
  113. # [21:49] <~davidb> it fixed it.
  114. # [21:49] <~davidb> (the windows bug)
  115. # [21:50] <~davidb> (and possibly the linux bug?)
  116. # [21:51] <~davidb> that wouldn't make sense
  117. # [21:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: but then why was jimm looking at it?
  118. # [21:56] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i think they are doing triage and having a meeting of some kind
  119. # [21:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, man they love that stuff
  120. # [21:57] <@tbsaunde> also you have a pm
  121. # [21:58] <~davidb> ah yes, replied
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  127. # [22:38] <smaug> eeejay: how soon do you need reviews?
  128. # [22:38] <smaug> is next week ok?
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  131. # [23:42] <@eeejay> smaug: yup, next week is great!
  132. # [23:42] <smaug> looking at it anyway
  133. # [23:43] <smaug> eeejay: could you explain the different queues in the bug?
  134. # [23:48] <@eeejay> smaug: you mean the window, global, and platform?
  135. # [23:48] <smaug> right
  136. # [23:48] <smaug> I don't know what is global vs platform
  137. # [23:48] <smaug> do we have some per process
  138. # [23:49] <smaug> or is it always per window, then per parent process and then one OS level
  139. # [23:49] <smaug> or what
  140. # [23:49] <smaug> just to make it easier to review the code
  141. # [23:49] <smaug> first patch didn't require that information
  142. # [23:51] <@eeejay> smaug: right, one per window, and then one per parent process
  143. # [23:51] <@eeejay> and the platform may or may not have one, but it is not relevant
  144. # [23:52] <smaug> I see
  145. # [23:53] <@eeejay> smaug: the goal is to harmonize the behavior of voices that are concurrent and voices that are not, and have them use a single queue so the behavior is expected
  146. # [23:54] <@eeejay> the non-concurrent solution that google came up with is that all windows should get speechSynthesis.speaking==true when another window is speaking
  147. # [23:54] <smaug> so why some backend uses queued and some doesn't ?
  148. # [23:55] <smaug> pico passes false, Sapi true
  149. # [23:55] <@eeejay> smaug: because some platforms are stuck in the 20th century :)
  150. # [23:56] <@eeejay> smaug: pico doesn't need to wait for one utterance to end speaking before synthesizing the next
  151. # [23:56] <@eeejay> smaug: sapi does
  152. # [23:56] <smaug> ahaa
  153. # [23:56] <smaug> we clearly need some comments in the code
  154. # [23:57] <@eeejay> on that addVoice argument?
  155. # [23:57] <smaug> yeah, and then in SapiService.cpp and nsPicoService.cpp
  156. # [23:57] <smaug> and maybe also in nsFakeSynthServices.cpp
  157. # [23:57] <@eeejay> right
  158. # [23:57] <@eeejay> yup
  159. # [23:58] <smaug> right now it is just some random flag set based on some magic
  160. # [23:58] <@eeejay> it is documented in the idl, but you are right that we should explain what each service does
  161. # [23:59] <@eeejay> and mayne the arg doc could be expanded?
  162. # [23:59] <smaug> hmm, "true if voice only handles one utterance at a time"
  163. # [23:59] <smaug> not sure what that means
  164. # [23:59] <@eeejay> smaug: so my grand idea here is that we should support concurrent speech if the platform allows it
  165. # Session Close: Sat Aug 01 00:00:00 2015

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