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  1. # Session Start: Thu Aug 20 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:36] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1170153.
  4. # [00:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1170153 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Nightly content process crash in mozilla::dom::PBrowserChild::SendPDocAccessibleConstructor
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  16. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1192330 from --- to FIXED.
  17. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1192330 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  18. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox43 to fixed on bug 1192330.
  19. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1192330 from --- to mozilla43.
  20. # [02:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1192330 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — prepare text change data to work with proxied text change events
  21. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1192353 from --- to FIXED.
  22. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1192353 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  23. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox43 to fixed on bug 1192353.
  24. # [02:05] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1192353 from --- to mozilla43.
  25. # [02:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1192353 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — make HyperTextProxyAccessibleWrap inherit from HyperTextAccessibleWrap
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  27. # [02:47] <@firebot> enndeakin@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(enndeakin@gmail.com) on bug 1195219.
  28. # [02:47] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1195219 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Tab focus got stuck/ cannot focus on image map area element
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  41. # [04:28] <@firebot> vdjeric@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1163004.
  42. # [04:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
  43. # [05:13] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Component on bug 1196147 from General to Keyboard: Navigation.
  44. # [05:13] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Product on bug 1196147 from Firefox to Core.
  45. # [05:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1196147 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] alt+shift shortcut for accesskeys on web pages are not working (using KDE on Arch Linux)
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  52. # [09:45] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(jmathies@mozilla.com) on bug 1170153.
  53. # [09:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1170153 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — Nightly content process crash in mozilla::dom::PBrowserChild::SendPDocAccessibleConstructor
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  58. # Session Start: Thu Aug 20 10:42:15 2015
  59. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  63. # [11:31] * Topic is 'build the web for everyone | http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=accessibility'
  64. # [11:31] * Set by tbsaunde on Wed May 06 16:22:49
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  67. # [15:39] <&MarcoZ> Hi!
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  70. # [15:47] <~davidb> heyo
  71. # [15:49] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  72. # [15:50] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from jmathies@mozilla.com on bug 1163004.
  73. # [15:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
  74. # [15:50] <~davidb> hi hi
  75. # [15:50] <~davidb> (i almost forgot to start my IRC client)
  76. # [15:57] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Hahah I know that feeling. Since I am now using IrcCloud, I get pinged on my iPhone whenever I am mentioned, so that's a reminder to open the IrcCloud Tab if I forget it, but when I was still using ChatZilla, I certainly forgot it from time to time. ;)
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  81. # [17:33] <~davidb> tbsaunde, hi can you do the branch patch for the CheckDocTree change on bug 1188415?
  82. # [17:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1188415 — NEW, jmathies@mozilla.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::CheckDocTree()
  83. # [17:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: do you know it doesn't backport cleanly?
  84. # [17:34] <~davidb> tbsaunde, it might
  85. # [17:35] <~davidb> i guess maybe just request approval?
  86. # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
  87. # [17:36] <~davidb> tbsaunde, ok please and thanks
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  90. # [17:52] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1196788 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
  91. # [17:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1196788 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in nsAccessibilityService::GetOrCreateAccessible(nsINode*, mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, bool*)
  92. # [17:55] <@firebot> enndeakin@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1196147 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  93. # [17:55] <@firebot> enndeakin@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1196147 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  94. # [17:55] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1196147 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] alt+shift shortcut for accesskeys on web pages are not working (using KDE on Arch Linux)
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  97. # [18:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from dmajor@bugmail.cc on bug 1099153.
  98. # [18:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1099153 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyDestroyed(mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible*)
  99. # [18:17] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(jmathies@mozilla.com) on bug 1163004.
  100. # [18:17] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163004 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Windows 10 instantiates accessibility
  101. # [18:21] <@firebot> dmajor@bugmail.cc cancelled needinfo?(dmajor@bugmail.cc) on bug 1099153.
  102. # [18:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1099153 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::ProxyDestroyed(mozilla::a11y::ProxyAccessible*)
  103. # [18:24] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1099153 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  104. # [18:24] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1099153 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  105. # [18:36] <&MarcoZ> davidb: You'll get an e-mail from Sina shortly. And I'll take all the blame for what'll be in there. :)
  106. # [18:36] <~davidb> Iheh
  107. # [18:36] <~davidb> sounds ominous
  108. # [18:37] <&MarcoZ> davidb: It has to do with MathML and our September event.
  109. # [18:37] <~davidb> aha ok
  110. # [18:37] <&MarcoZ> And with that, I'm off to my evening. See you tomorrow! :)
  111. # [18:38] <~davidb> ciao
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  116. # [19:12] <@firebot> blassey.bugs@lassey.us requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 1120895.
  117. # [19:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1120895 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — Interaction between TalkBack and Firefox beta/aurora/nightly broken with latest TalkBack 4.10
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  120. # [19:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous.org) on bug 1120895.
  121. # [19:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Resolution on bug 1120895 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  122. # [19:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 1120895 from NEW to RESOLVED.
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  126. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hey, maybe you'll have ideas what to do about this
  127. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so, consider this test case http://paste.debian.net/299388/
  128. # [19:56] <smaug> tbsaunde: looking
  129. # [19:56] * smaug hints that document.documentElement.innerHTML = ""; is the easiest way to remove all the child nodes
  130. # [19:56] <@tbsaunde> if you run that in e10s sometimes the child process only sends a show event for the accessible for the <head>, but doesn't send a hide for the text leaf that now lives under the head's accessible, but used to live under the document
  131. # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> smaug: talk to jesse ;)
  132. # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> afaik this event problem is because layout doesn't call nsAccessibilityService::ContentRemoved for the <title>
  133. # [19:58] <@tbsaunde> which is maybe reasonable? I don't really understand this and bz is away
  134. # [19:59] <smaug> tbsaunde: title isn't removed anywhere
  135. # [19:59] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah, that's why I say it is maybe reasonable
  136. # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> smaug: but on the other hand a11y events need to say it got removed so we can create the new tree (if you don't say its removed then the parent thinks the id for the text leaf is being reused)
  137. # [20:01] <smaug> tbsaunde: "but doesn't send a hide for the text leaf that now lives under the head's accessible, but used to live under the document" ?
  138. # [20:01] <smaug> what you mean with "used to live under the document"
  139. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde> smaug: the first a11y tree is a document with one child which is a text leaf accessible
  140. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> text leaf accessible is for text node
  141. # [20:03] <smaug> tbsaunde: what does the node contain?
  142. # [20:03] * smaug wonders what parser does in this case
  143. # [20:03] <smaug> we have the head and then parser deals with <body>
  144. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde> smaug: which node what do you mean contain?
  145. # [20:04] <smaug> tbsaunde: the text node
  146. # [20:04] <smaug> tbsaunde: what text does it contain
  147. # [20:04] <smaug> is it empty string?
  148. # [20:04] <smaug> or that "Testcase bug - ..."
  149. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde> smaug: its the "Testcase bug ..." thing
  150. # [20:05] <smaug> so I still don't understand "the text leaf that now lives under the head's accessible, but used to live under the document"
  151. # [20:06] <smaug> but I admit I don't know what layout does in this case
  152. # [20:06] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so after the last visibility change the accessible tree is
  153. # [20:06] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  154. # [20:07] <@tbsaunde> document accessible with child accessible for <head> (presumably it has a child that is the text leaf accessible but I didn't actually check yet)
  155. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> smaug: make more sense now or still confused?
  156. # [20:10] <smaug> still very confused
  157. # [20:10] <smaug> I don't understand what nsAccessibilityService::ContentRemoved has to do with this
  158. # [20:10] <smaug> tbsaunde: isn't this more about those visibility changes?
  159. # [20:10] <smaug> does a11y trigger show/hide based on visibility changes?
  160. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> smaug: it should be the thing responsible for firing hide events when stuff is hidden
  161. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yes and yes
  162. # [20:11] <@tbsaunde> ContentRemoved is probably not a great name for that method
  163. # [20:11] <smaug> tbsaunde: oh, I thought ContentRemoved is nsIMutationObserver method here
  164. # [20:11] <smaug> maybe it is something totally different thing in this case
  165. # [20:11] <@tbsaunde> smaug: no
  166. # [20:11] <@tbsaunde> yeah, its just a random method called from a couple places in layout
  167. # [20:12] <smaug> oh
  168. # [20:12] <smaug> ok, sorry, I clearly don't know enough about this
  169. # [20:12] <smaug> given this is layout stuff
  170. # [20:12] <smaug> tbsaunde: dholbert might know better
  171. # [20:13] <smaug> visibility: hidden doesn't remove anything though
  172. # [20:13] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah fair enough
  173. # [20:13] <smaug> the nsIFrame object does still affect to the layout
  174. # [20:13] <smaug> it just isn't painted
  175. # [20:13] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah, and iirc visibility: hidden means not accessible
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  177. # [20:38] <~davidb> tbsaunde, do you mean display hidden?
  178. # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no, elm.style.visibility
  179. # [20:42] <~davidb> hmm ok
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  181. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ping
  182. # [21:08] <joanie> tbsaunde: pong
  183. # [21:08] <@tbsaunde> joanie: so, I fixed the child count for accessibles in e10s always being 0
  184. # [21:09] <joanie> cool
  185. # [21:09] <joanie> i'm guessing there's a "but"
  186. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> the good news is some things now worke.g. left / right arrow between link and <p>
  187. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> yeah, some things don't work, for example http://paste.debian.net/299400/ arrow up from the link and you get blank
  188. # [21:10] * joanie looks
  189. # [21:10] <joanie> lemme try it
  190. # [21:11] <@tbsaunde> joanie: thanks!
  191. # [21:13] <joanie> actually, it's blank for everything (i.e. control home)
  192. # [21:13] * joanie digs more
  193. # [21:14] <joanie> tbsaunde: according to my debug.out, nothing implements the hyperlink interface
  194. # [21:14] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ah interesting let me read code
  195. # [21:15] <joanie> lemme make sure I don't see that with non e10s ;)
  196. # [21:16] <joanie> yeah, not seeing that in the non e10s
  197. # [21:16] <@tbsaunde> joanie: interestingly it looks like that should work
  198. # [21:16] <joanie> lemme look at what causes that error output
  199. # [21:18] <joanie> tbsaunde: like it should work means what?
  200. # [21:18] <joanie> the code that is calling it is trying to figure out the start and end indices of embedded objects
  201. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> joanie: that I'd think hyperlink interface should be exposed
  202. # [21:18] <joanie> ah
  203. # [21:19] <joanie> well, the exception is NotImplementedError
  204. # [21:20] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ok, for the <a> element?
  205. # [21:20] <joanie> no, for everything
  206. # [21:20] <joanie> i'll pastebin it
  207. # [21:20] <joanie> it's the parents which need to implement it btw
  208. # [21:20] <joanie> thanks to embedded objects for everything
  209. # [21:21] <joanie> like the paragraph is an embedded object of the dibv
  210. # [21:21] <joanie> div too
  211. # [21:22] <@tbsaunde> joanie: you mean hyper link or hyper text?
  212. # [21:22] <joanie> hyperlink
  213. # [21:22] <joanie> https://paste.debian.net/299406/
  214. # [21:23] <joanie> the hyperlink interface exposes, amongst other things, a start index and end index
  215. # [21:23] <joanie> so we know the offsets of, say, a paragraph within a div
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  217. # [21:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah ok, I'm confused, but I can debug this
  218. # [21:25] <joanie> ok cool
  219. # [21:32] <@tbsaunde> joanie: ah, I'm just dumb I wrote |= x instead of |= 1 << x :(
  220. # [21:33] <joanie> tbsaunde: silly you
  221. # [21:33] <joanie> at least it's an easy fix
  222. # [21:33] <@tbsaunde> yeah, then we can see how much that makes work soon :)
  223. # [21:33] <joanie> and maybe we'll have accessible multi-process soon
  224. # [21:33] * joanie waits eagerly
  225. # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> joanie: heh
  226. # [21:41] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1196880 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  227. # [21:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1196880 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — correctly compute interfaces for proxies
  228. # [21:46] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1196880 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
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  236. # [22:26] <stephend> heya yzen - are you around?
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  238. # [22:31] <stephend> there seem to be quite a few tools and online services which check for accessibility of websites, and I'd like your input on which might be most effective
  239. # [22:31] <stephend> also, if you know, davidb|afk + MarcoZ :-)
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  241. # [22:52] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  242. # [22:54] <~davidb> stephend|mtg, MarcoZ was looking at the recent tools last quarter so good to check with him, and yeah yzen has been incorporating rules like aXe so checking with him tomorrow is recommended as well
  243. # [23:04] * yzen is now known as yzen_
  244. # [23:08] * yzen_ is now known as yzen
  245. # [23:08] * wlach is now known as wlach|afk
  246. # [23:12] * Quits: @yzen (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  247. # [23:21] * Quits: Gijs (chatzilla@moz-v0lust.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: sleep)
  248. # [23:28] <@firebot> rkothari@mozilla.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1194859.
  249. # [23:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1194859 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition()
  250. # [23:36] <stephend|mtg> davidb: great; thank you!
  251. # [23:39] <~davidb> anyimte
  252. # [23:39] <~davidb> anytime even
  253. # [23:41] * stephend|mtg is now known as stephend
  254. # [23:59] * Quits: ~davidb (davidb@moz-8obtsc.dsl.bell.ca) (Quit: Blah blah blah)
  255. # [23:59] * stephend is now known as stephend|mtg
  256. # Session Close: Fri Aug 21 00:00:00 2015

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