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  1. # Session Start: Mon Aug 24 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  9. # [02:53] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1189277.
  10. # [02:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1189277 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — PDocAccessible::Msg_BindChildDoc KillHard aborts
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  28. # [12:02] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from jdiggs@igalia.com on bug 1197254.
  29. # [12:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1197254 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Reliable segfault in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition() in Nightly
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  36. # [14:42] <~davidb> heyo
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  38. # [14:56] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  39. # [15:18] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  40. # [15:19] <~davidb> hi hi
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  46. # [15:59] <&MarcoZ> davidb: 1:1?
  47. # [15:59] * ~davidb hunts a phone room
  48. # [15:59] <~davidb> yep
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  51. # [16:30] <@firebot> fxos@tobykurien.com changed the Status on bug 1197599 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  52. # [16:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1197599 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Unable to Open Developer Tools with F12 shortcut
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  54. # [16:46] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1188415.
  55. # [16:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1188415 — NEW, jmathies@mozilla.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::CheckDocTree()
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  57. # [17:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  58. # [17:10] <~davidb> tbsaunde, hiya!
  59. # [17:10] <~davidb> missing that ping sorry
  60. # [17:10] <~davidb> omw
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  74. # [19:42] <zippo^> hello tbsaunde and davidb
  75. # [19:43] <~davidb> hi
  76. # [19:44] <zippo^> i am deaf and visual impaired, davidb
  77. # [19:44] <~davidb> zippo^, nice to meet you
  78. # [19:45] <zippo^> nice to meet you too :-)
  79. # [19:45] <zippo^> I use Firefox and Thunderbird on Mac OS X
  80. # [19:45] <~davidb> cool, I hope they work well?
  81. # [19:46] <zippo^> great, davidb
  82. # [19:46] <~davidb> excellent
  83. # [19:46] <zippo^> one bugs that I have filled is fix :)
  84. # [19:46] <~davidb> nice
  85. # [19:46] <~davidb> keep filing them if you find them :)
  86. # [19:46] <zippo^> what about accessiblity is here?
  87. # [19:46] <zippo^> yes sure :)
  88. # [19:47] <~davidb> Our desktop accessibility API support is weakest on OS X, and much stronger on Linux and Windows
  89. # [19:47] <zippo^> really? how can that?
  90. # [19:48] <~davidb> The people who have worked on our OSX accessibility support have found it slow going. It is a bit harder when we don't have as much insight into what VoiceOver is doing.
  91. # [19:48] <~davidb> On Linux and Windows we have relationships with open source screen reader authors, and it makes things easier.
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  94. # [19:49] <~davidb> Apple does a great job on OSX for VoiceOver + Safari support
  95. # [19:49] <~davidb> And Chrome still has the benefits of having been webkit based in the past.
  96. # [19:49] <zippo^> ah ok, but i don't use voiceover becaue i cannot hear. i use color inverts. but i am searching to great "color inverts" for Firefox. but no really success
  97. # [19:49] <~davidb> oh hmm
  98. # [19:50] <~davidb> zippo^, does OSX offer anything low level or does the application need to do something?
  99. # [19:50] <zippo^> OS X has "color inverts", that i need always davidb
  100. # [19:50] <~davidb> (I only mentioned screen readers because they exemplify accessibility API support)
  101. # [19:51] <~davidb> zippo^, yeah I've tried those out.
  102. # [19:51] <~davidb> does it work ok with FF?
  103. # [19:52] <~davidb> our graphics did some work on this for FFOS
  104. # [19:52] <~davidb> we'd like to port that work over to desktop but it isn't near the top of our priority list yet... we have pressing work on multi-process FF etc
  105. # [19:52] <~davidb> i meant to say 'our graphics team'
  106. # [19:53] <zippo^> color inverts of os x work great on ff and tb. but ff and tb has no a own color inverts
  107. # [19:53] <zippo^> are you hearing and good seeing, davidb ?
  108. # [19:53] <~davidb> yeah hopefully we can get to that sooner than later
  109. # [19:53] <~davidb> zippo^, yeah
  110. # [19:53] <zippo^> I have a brialle display here
  111. # [19:53] <zippo^> i will learn with this
  112. # [19:54] <~davidb> do you use screen magnification as well?
  113. # [19:54] <zippo^> some
  114. # [19:54] * ~davidb nods
  115. # [19:54] <zippo^> I can read little text
  116. # [19:55] <~davidb> ok
  117. # [19:55] <zippo^> but my purview is little than normal. I have a syndrome Usher (deaf + Retinitis Pigmentosa)
  118. # [19:55] <~davidb> i am familiar
  119. # [19:55] <~davidb> thanks for sharing that
  120. # [19:56] <zippo^> do you know this davidb ?
  121. # [19:56] <~davidb> yes
  122. # [19:56] <zippo^> ok
  123. # [19:56] <~davidb> i understand why you are interested in braille
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  125. # [19:56] <~davidb> is it the FS one?
  126. # [19:57] <zippo^> what is FS ?
  127. # [19:57] <~davidb> sorry freedom scientific
  128. # [19:57] <~davidb> popular in north america but i didn't ask where you are from
  129. # [19:57] <zippo^> ah, nope, HIMS Sense Qwerty U2
  130. # [19:57] <zippo^> I am from the Netherladns
  131. # [19:57] <~davidb> ah cool I'm not familiar
  132. # [19:57] <zippo^> that is new
  133. # [19:58] <zippo^> http://hims-inc.com/products/braille-sense-u2-qwerty/
  134. # [19:58] <~davidb> it seems more people use braille displays on your side of the ocean than in north america, where I think TTS is preferred.
  135. # [19:58] <~davidb> cool
  136. # [19:58] * ~davidb overuses the word 'cool'
  137. # [19:58] <zippo^> :-)
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  147. # [20:08] <~davidb> tbsaunde, dunno if you noticed but i found some stacks and commented on bug 1184217
  148. # [20:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1184217 — REOPENED, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::Unbind()
  149. # [20:13] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah I started looking
  150. # [20:13] <~davidb> awesome
  151. # [20:17] <satdav|mtg> yzen: ping
  152. # [20:17] <@yzen> satdav|mtg pong
  153. # [20:18] <satdav|mtg> yzen: can I have a meeting with you after the all hands to discuss about website accessibility
  154. # [20:18] <satdav|mtg> we can use the accessibility room on vidyo
  155. # [20:19] <@yzen> satdav|mtg which all hands do you mean?
  156. # [20:20] <satdav|mtg> the one on air Mozilla the now
  157. # [20:20] <satdav|mtg> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2015-08-24
  158. # [20:20] <satdav|mtg> yzen: ^
  159. # [20:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: looks like those are all aurora?
  160. # [20:21] <~davidb> tbsaunde, not all IIRC
  161. # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, found one
  162. # [20:33] <satdav|mtg> yzen: hey I will be free in 2 seconds
  163. # [20:34] <satdav|mtg> yzen: it was just to speak to you about website accessibility
  164. # [20:34] <@yzen> satdav|mtg didnt realize it's right now, i might have a conflict today, some time in the week ?
  165. # [20:34] <satdav|mtg> yzen: whens the best for you
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  167. # [20:35] <@yzen> satdav|mtg thursday or friday, i should be online then you can ping me
  168. # [20:35] <satdav> yzen: cool
  169. # [20:35] <@yzen> thanks
  170. # [20:37] <satdav> yzen: I will email you yzen@mozilla.com
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  174. # [21:27] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Component on bug 1197843 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  175. # [21:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1197843 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — "Web developer" menu is not keyboard-accessible in Dev Edition
  176. # [21:35] <@eeejay> davidb|afk: yzen taking a sick day today
  177. # [21:42] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  178. # [21:43] <~davidb> eeejay, nope
  179. # [21:45] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1188415.
  180. # [21:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1188415 — NEW, jmathies@mozilla.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::CheckDocTree()
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  186. # [22:38] <@tbsaunde> !summan surkov
  187. # [22:39] <satdav> yzen: how's 1 pm Friday for you
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  189. # [22:59] <zippo^> How does Mozilla support long Firefox and Thunderbird for Windows XP?
  190. # [22:59] <zippo^> *How long
  191. # [22:59] <zippo^> sorry another channel
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  194. # Session Close: Tue Aug 25 00:00:00 2015

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