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  1. # Session Start: Mon Aug 31 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  12. # [11:00] <@firebot> sledru@mozilla.com set status-firefox42 to affected on bug 1189277.
  13. # [11:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1189277 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — PDocAccessible::Msg_BindChildDoc KillHard aborts
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  15. # [11:07] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com requested needinfo from enndeakin@gmail.com on bug 1168042.
  16. # [11:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1168042 — ASSIGNED, enndeakin@gmail.com — [e10s] accesskeys in content do not work when chrome is focused
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  25. # [14:03] <@firebot> arni2033@yandex.ru changed the Status on bug 1195139 from NEW to UNCONFIRMED.
  26. # [14:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1195139 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Ctrl+Shift+B, Ctrl+Shift+H and Ctrl+J hotkeys (shortcuts) should work in Library window
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  28. # [14:18] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox42 to fixed on bug 1189277.
  29. # [14:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1189277 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — PDocAccessible::Msg_BindChildDoc KillHard aborts
  30. # [14:23] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1194859.
  31. # [14:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1194859 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition()
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  34. # [15:00] <~davidb> heyo
  35. # [15:02] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Hi! :)
  36. # [15:02] <~davidb> hi hi
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  41. # [15:27] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1194859.
  42. # [15:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1194859 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition()
  43. # [15:37] <~davidb> tbsaunde, any ideas for bug 1197181 ?
  44. # [15:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1197181 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessibleParent::RecvHideEvent(unsigned __int64 const&)
  45. # [15:43] <@tbsaunde> davidb: just got in...
  46. # [15:43] <~davidb> ack
  47. # [16:06] <satdav> davidb: can you add someone on your team to verify that bug I need info you on
  48. # [16:06] <~davidb> satdav, we have top crashers and other priorities, sorry. it would be great if someone else could do it.
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  50. # [16:25] <@tbsaunde> davidb: bug 1186536 still doesn't make much sense, you might try seeing what the stack is in visual studio, or posting the disassembly that its crashing in maybe?
  51. # [16:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1186536 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::Accessible::HasGenericType(mozilla::a11y::AccGenericType)
  52. # [16:25] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i don't have that setup
  53. # [16:26] <~davidb> tbsaunde, maybe there is someone else we could ask?
  54. # [16:26] <~davidb> tbsaunde, but in general, the fact that the second check in that method does hit, does that tell us something?
  55. # [16:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: the second check?
  56. # [16:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: surkov?
  57. # [16:28] <~davidb> tbsaunde, there are two checkdoctree checks in RecvHideEvent right?
  58. # [16:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no, I was talking about the HasGenericType() crash
  59. # [16:29] <~davidb> aha
  60. # [16:29] <~davidb> my bad
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  70. # [17:56] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: ping
  71. # [17:56] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: pong
  72. # [17:57] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: bug 1199884
  73. # [17:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1199884 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — [AccessFu] Landmark traversal rule does not work
  74. # [17:57] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: would you consider 'region' something we should traverse to in landmark or android "section navigation" mode?
  75. # [17:59] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: Hm, I have always had a bit of a problem with the "region" landmark. As far as I understand it, it's a generic landmark that is supposed to be superseeded by banner, complementary, main, etc.
  76. # [17:59] <&MarcoZ> I know JAWS does that, too. I would say if at all, region is a section, not a landmark per se.
  77. # [17:59] <&MarcoZ> So I'd vote for section rather than landmark.
  78. # [18:00] <&MarcoZ> But I'm sure you'd find enough people in the WAI-ARIA space who'd disagree with me on this one. ;)
  79. # [18:04] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: maybe we should just rename that rule?
  80. # [18:04] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: is there any place for both rules?
  81. # [18:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: I guess I mean, do we have a need for a pure "landmark" navigation mode, or could we just have section, since that is more useful?
  82. # [18:05] * stephend|offline is now known as stephend|mtg
  83. # [18:16] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: Well, other screen readers do have a landmark navigation mode, which people also use frequently. I would even say this is more useful than section. Section is one of those wrongly used HTML5 elements that causes JAWS to speak a lot of "region" landmarks.
  84. # [18:18] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: what would you expect/like when using android "section navigation"? regardless of what chrome does
  85. # [18:19] <&MarcoZ> Well, since there is only that one landmark-like navigation item IIRC, I would expect it to move to landmarks.
  86. # [18:20] <&MarcoZ> I find the choice of navigation items a bit strange. I would have expected one specifically for headings, for example, since that is still by far the most commonly used quick navigation item used by people.
  87. # [18:21] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: right, that goes back to my original ux question, should headers be included in this "section" navigation rule
  88. # [18:21] <&MarcoZ> But then, there are a lot of choices made in Android (not Firefox) that I totally don't find useful. ;)
  89. # [18:21] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: I think they should. Headings + landmarks sounds like a reasonable set of sections.
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  92. # [18:22] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: so I am going to remove the "region" role
  93. # [18:22] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: Sounds good.
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  95. # [18:23] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: something i am doing in a followup patch may be interesting to you as well.
  96. # [18:24] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: I am making landmark/section/list rules not land on the entire target, but only on the first "atom" of that body
  97. # [18:24] <@eeejay> for example, in lists, it will land on the first item of the list.
  98. # [18:25] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: love the idea?
  99. # [18:26] <@eeejay> I just noticed that, for example in chrome, if you navigate by list it just says "list of 9 items", which is useless. You then need to switch to default navigation to see the contents of the list
  100. # [18:26] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: YES YES YES YES YES !!!!! :)
  101. # [18:26] <@eeejay> we, on the other hand, speak the entire list or section, and that makes things sluggish
  102. # [18:27] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: ok, i think i understand what you mean... whey you say "YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!"
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  104. # [18:36] <&MarcoZ> eeejay: Sorry, we crossed. I meant "yes, please make that change to land on the first atom"! :)
  105. # [18:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ: no, i totally got it :)
  106. # [18:38] <@eeejay> being cheeky
  107. # [18:40] <&MarcoZ> ;) OK, heading out for the evening. Bye! :)
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  110. # [18:48] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox42 to fixed on bug 1194859.
  111. # [18:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1194859 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition()
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  113. # [19:21] <@tbsaunde> yzen: have you actually debugged marionette tests?
  114. # [19:21] <satdav> yzen: hey sorry I never met with you last week
  115. # [19:21] <@yzen> tbsaunde step by step ?
  116. # [19:22] <@tbsaunde> yzen: not sure what you mean
  117. # [19:22] <@yzen> tbsaunde well i had to deal with debugging marionette but dont think i had to actually attach a debugger
  118. # [19:23] <@tbsaunde> yzen: ah, what do you do, do you know how to get better logs?
  119. # [19:23] <@tbsaunde> or how to run individual tests? passing test paths doesn't seem to work?
  120. # [19:23] <@yzen> tbsaunde ah yes, set this flag: --host-log stdout
  121. # [19:24] <@yzen> tbsaunde './mach marionette-test path/to/test' should work
  122. # [19:24] <@tbsaunde> yzen: I think these are desktop marionette tests not the device ones?
  123. # [19:25] <@yzen> tbsaunde yes, for the device (gaia/b2g) :
  124. # [19:25] <@yzen> tbsaunde you need to create a profile first to run tests individually
  125. # [19:25] <@yzen> so to create a profile run: PROFILE_FOLDER=profile-test make
  126. # [19:25] <@yzen> and then you can run tests with: TEST_FILES=path/to/test make test-integration-test
  127. # [19:26] <@yzen> tbsaunde ^
  128. # [19:26] <@tbsaunde> yzen: yeah, but these *not* related to gia or devices
  129. # [19:30] <@tbsaunde> yzen: fwiw http://paste.debian.net/
  130. # [19:31] <@yzen> tbsaunde so these commands seem to work just fine in my moz-central dir after i build:
  131. # [19:31] <@yzen> ./mach marionette-test testing/marionette/client/marionette/tests/unit/unit-tests.ini
  132. # [19:31] <@yzen> or ./mach marionette-test testing/marionette/client/marionette/tests/unit/test_accessibility.py
  133. # [19:32] <@yzen> actually i had to kill process that marionette seems to want to run on (2828) first just now
  134. # [19:35] <@tbsaunde> yzen: hrm, for me that second command errors out because it can't open a file (though I ran from the objdir)
  135. # [19:36] <@tbsaunde> well, there are other things to do that don't involve fighting with lame test harnesses
  136. # [19:36] <@tbsaunde> and maybe my bug will magically go away
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  144. # [20:52] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox41 to fixed on bug 1194859.
  145. # [20:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1194859 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — crash in mozilla::a11y::ARIAGridCellAccessible::GroupPosition()
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  150. # [22:04] <lsocks> power was out all weekend here :(
  151. # [22:04] <lsocks> windstorms
  152. # [22:04] <~davidb> lsocks, yoikes
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  154. # [22:06] <@lsocks> life without technology is hard
  155. # [22:09] <~davidb> bring on the tesla powerwalls
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  161. # [23:43] <smaug> tbsaunde: just noticed that any use of Bound() in .ipdl causes immediate child process crash
  162. # [23:43] <smaug> hmm, my code, explicitly returning false...
  163. # [23:47] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah... lsocks noticed that a couple days ago too, but I guess the storm kept her from fixing that
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