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  70. # [14:19] <fredw> Good morning everybody
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  87. # [15:25] <~davidb> eeejay, MarcoZ, yzen, joanie etc, for now just ping surkov here with any questions or if you want to video chat etc
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  89. # [15:29] <@surkov> yeah, please, sorry for not being with you in person today
  90. # [15:29] <~davidb> how did i miss fredw ^
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  92. # [15:33] <~davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Accessibility/Meetings/2015September
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  94. # [16:07] <~davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2015September#Discussion
  95. # [16:07] <joanie> Gijs: http://www.fpaste.org/272237/
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  98. # [16:18] <joanie> Gijs: http://www.fpaste.org/272241/
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  100. # [16:22] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Do zou have time to assist me in nailing down that tabbing performance delaz with the profiler_ I cannot work the profiler add/on.
  101. # [16:22] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  102. # [16:23] <~davidb> MarcoZ, sure, I have this thing I need to watch this morning first - about 90 minutes from now?
  103. # [16:24] <~davidb> or hmm after lunch i guess :)
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  105. # [16:25] <&MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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  109. # [16:33] <~davidb> eeejay, oh wow almost there on Bug 1003464
  110. # [16:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1003464 — NEW, eitan@monotonous.org — Text to Speech API on Firefox for Linux
  111. # [16:34] <@eeejay> joanie: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Scratchpad#Running_Scratchpad_in_the_browser_context
  112. # [16:39] * davidb is now known as davidb|afk
  113. # [16:41] <@eeejay> https://irccloud.mozilla.com/pastebin/EmFE2Emh
  114. # [16:41] <@eeejay> joanie: ^
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  116. # [16:48] <joanie> Jamie: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/MathML_Project/a11y
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  118. # [17:07] <Gijs> joanie: did you file that bug?
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  122. # [17:14] * ~davidb waves to aaronlev
  123. # [17:14] * aaronlev waves
  124. # [17:27] <~davidb> from toronto office reception: Hi David, A warm welcome from Mozilla Toronto to the accessibility team! :) ~ Karyn
  125. # [17:28] <~davidb> meet up peeps ^
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  127. # [17:28] <&MarcoZ> Thanks Karyn! :)
  128. # [17:33] <Jamie> hey aaronlev!
  129. # [17:34] <aaronlev> Jamie!
  130. # [17:34] <aaronlev> Wish I was there
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  135. # [17:41] <~davidb> MarcoZ, what is the next step for bug 718637 (cc fredw)
  136. # [17:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
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  139. # [17:44] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: fredw: I'd say: Look at which event(s) Safari and chrome are firing, and mimic that. Hubert tried that, but apparently it was either not enough, or the event we're firing is wrong.
  140. # [17:45] <@tbsaunde> smaug: ping
  141. # [17:46] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  142. # [17:48] <fredw> MarcoZ: apparently Hubert said that Chromium does not play the sound and the Apple dev said that we need to play the sound ourselves. Does what you say on bugzilla happen with Chromium: "VoiceOver then focuses the web area and automatically starts reading the page"
  143. # [17:49] <~davidb> anyone heard of this http://www.orcam.com/ ?
  144. # [17:50] <&MarcoZ> fredw: Chromium plays the sound and VoiceOver starts reading the page automatically just like Safari does.
  145. # [17:51] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Nope.
  146. # [17:51] <~davidb> this tech is very real
  147. # [17:51] * ~davidb is half way through watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UzVBTgHqSQ
  148. # [17:58] <~davidb> MarcoZ, hungry?
  149. # [17:58] <~davidb> Jamie?
  150. # [17:59] <smaug> tbsaunde: pong
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  152. # [18:00] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so, it looks like making PDocAccessible::TakeFocus() sync isn't such a great idea
  153. # [18:00] <@tbsaunde> smaug: it calls into the focus manager, and seems to trigger sync clipboard related stuff in the child process
  154. # [18:01] <smaug> fun
  155. # [18:01] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so, I'm about to eat, but options that immediately come to mind include either doing the TakeFocus() work off a runnable always / in the child / making that ipc message not sync
  156. # [18:02] * stephend|afk is now known as stephend|mtg
  157. # [18:03] <fredw> MarcoZ: Reading WebKit's code, AXNewDocumentLoadComplete is now used for the top document and AXLayoutComplete is used for inner frames. However, AXNewDocumentLoadComplete is never handled via NSAccessibility.
  158. # [18:03] <fredw> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/Document.cpp#L2697
  159. # [18:03] <fredw> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/accessibility/mac/AXObjectCacheMac.mm#L132
  160. # [18:05] <smaug> tbsaunde: missing "or"?
  161. # [18:05] <smaug> but using runnable in the child sounds ok, or ok-ish at least
  162. # [18:05] <smaug> I wonder what it could break
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  165. # [18:10] <Gijs> (just fyi, I am off in a teeny tiny meetingroom for onboarding stuff with Mike Conley, and have a 1:1 coming up as well - feel free to ping me on hear if you need me for anything)
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  167. # [18:15] <~davidb> Gijs, lol, a little late for onboarding
  168. # [18:15] <Gijs> davidb: I know!
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  173. # [18:21] <~davidb> MarcoZ, for the tab thing is there a bug i can read up?
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  177. # [18:32] <@tbsaunde> smaug: any reason you think runnable is better than making the message not sync?
  178. # [18:34] <smaug> bt
  179. # [18:34] <smaug> asdf
  180. # [18:34] <smaug> tbsaunde: hmm, not sure
  181. # [18:36] <smaug> tbsaunde: except....
  182. # [18:36] <@firebot> ssitter@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1208856 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  183. # [18:36] <@firebot> ssitter@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1208856 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  184. # [18:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1208856 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — Possible bad null-check in sdnAccessible::get_computedStyle()
  185. # [18:36] <smaug> tbsaunde: child side puts the runnable to the event loop
  186. # [18:36] <smaug> so it gets processed soon
  187. # [18:36] <&MarcoZ> davidb: No, since I didn't file it yet before knowing what causes the bug.
  188. # [18:36] <smaug> parent side is waiting for the runnable to end up to the queue before sending more messages to child
  189. # [18:37] <smaug> though, hmm
  190. # [18:37] <smaug> async should have the same effect
  191. # [18:37] <&MarcoZ> davidb: jamie is currently tackling this from the other end: We found that disabling the NVDA virtual buffer code speeds up things dramatically. So now we want to find out what events are fired that cause the v buffer code to make queries that could cause those delays.
  192. # [18:37] <smaug> since the async should be processed before the sync messages after it...
  193. # [18:37] <smaug> tbsaunde: ok, async should be fine
  194. # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> smaug: thanks, makes my life simpler :)
  195. # [18:39] <~davidb> MarcoZ, ok, let me know if/when I can pop over to run the profiler
  196. # [18:41] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I have cycles now. Why don't we just give it a shot and see if we can save jamie some time?
  197. # [18:41] <~davidb> omw
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  199. # [18:46] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1177014
  200. # [18:46] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  201. # [18:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1177014 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Line offsets incorrect for block followed by list
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  204. # [18:49] <~davidb> MarcoZ, will check this in 10 mins (profile data)
  205. # [18:50] <~davidb> or wait i will look now
  206. # [18:52] <~davidb> MarcoZ, a lot of layout stuff but not finding any a11y calls yet
  207. # [18:53] <&MarcoZ> Well, 3 MB to zip through! :(
  208. # [18:54] <~davidb> well there is some organization to it though
  209. # [18:57] <~davidb> MarcoZ, did firefox feel slow during our recording?
  210. # [18:58] <&MarcoZ> davidb: It definitely felt like I was reproducing the bug. Not slower than without the recording, but definitely slow.
  211. # [18:58] <~davidb> ok
  212. # [18:58] <~davidb> strangely it seems like mostly painting
  213. # [18:58] <~davidb> but we might be causing it somehow
  214. # [18:58] <&MarcoZ> Hmmmm. I could've sworn it is something with accessibility.
  215. # [18:59] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Like I get an almost half second delay between pressing tab or an arrow key and the reaction via speech.
  216. # [18:59] <~davidb> ack
  217. # [19:01] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1208900.
  218. # [19:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1208900 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Fix a null check in sdnAccessible::get_computedStyle
  219. # [19:04] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(dbolter@mozilla.com) on bug 1208900.
  220. # [19:04] <~davidb> MarcoZ, it is very odd i see no a11y calls in the profiler call stack
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  222. # [19:07] <&MarcoZ> davidb|afk: Is it possible that profiler ignores a11y?
  223. # [19:19] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  224. # [19:19] <~davidb> it entered my mind but man
  225. # [19:20] <~davidb> i'm going go ask someone something about that
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  227. # [19:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1209147 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  228. # [19:24] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1209147 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — make proxying of Accessible::TakeFocus() async
  229. # [19:31] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1207375
  230. # [19:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1207375 — ASSIGNED, adw@mozilla.com — urlbar a11y still broken by search suggestions opt-in prompt/notification
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  233. # [19:34] <~davidb> so yeah it was a difference between the built in perf tool and the addon
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  245. # [20:09] <Jamie> joanie: https://ftp-ssl.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/dwillcoxon@mozilla.com-8ca67bed7b07
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  252. # [20:35] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr requested needinfo from mzehe@mozilla.com on bug 718637.
  253. # [20:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  254. # [20:58] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(mzehe@mozilla.com) on bug 718637.
  255. # [20:58] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  256. # [20:58] * mconley|mtg is now known as mconley
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  259. # [21:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1208900.
  260. # [21:22] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1208900 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Fix a null check in sdnAccessible::get_computedStyle
  261. # [21:27] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
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  268. # [22:08] <~davidb> FWIW, I'm in a meeting until 5
  269. # [22:14] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1209223 filed by tojonmz@gmail.com.
  270. # [22:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1209223 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Would be nice if certain Tools > WebDeveloper shortcuts also acted as toggles
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  276. # [22:33] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1208900.
  277. # [22:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1208900 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Fix a null check in sdnAccessible::get_computedStyle
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  279. # [22:40] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1208900.
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  282. # [23:12] <~davidb> is today's nightly slow for anyone else?
  283. # [23:12] * davidb is now known as davidb|afk
  284. # [23:12] <@tbsaunde> don't think so?
  285. # [23:14] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  286. # [23:14] <~davidb> k
  287. # [23:15] <~davidb> well i think i'm going to head home as conversation had died down
  288. # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, yeah, I'm about done work unless joanie or Jamie show up
  289. # [23:15] <~davidb> i think they are still mathing out
  290. # [23:16] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
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  292. # [23:40] <@eeejay> Jamie: joanie: fredw: we are going to head to dinner soon.
  293. # [23:40] <@eeejay> Jamie: joanie: fredw: probably at the hilton garden inn.
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  298. # Session Close: Tue Sep 29 00:00:00 2015

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