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  1. # Session Start: Fri Oct 02 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  9. # [01:01] <~davidb> yo
  10. # [01:02] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr requested needinfo from mzehe@mozilla.com on bug 1178272.
  11. # [01:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1178272 — NEW, fred.wang@free.fr — Move table semantics to a separate mozTableAccessible.mm file
  12. # [01:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: heya
  13. # [01:03] <~davidb> hi,iOS thing happening?
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  18. # [01:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1210630 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  19. # [01:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210630 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Section elements with accessible names should be mapped the same as ARIA role region
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  22. # [01:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think it might be over
  23. # [01:40] <~davidb> ack
  24. # [01:41] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: yo what you guys up to?
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  51. # [12:38] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 1210739 filed by mark@wolfbeast.com.
  52. # [12:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210739 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Input confusion when Numlock is off
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  56. # [12:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210108 from --- to FIXED.
  57. # [12:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210108 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  58. # [12:46] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210108.
  59. # [12:47] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210108 from --- to mozilla44.
  60. # [12:47] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210108 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — Emit object:state-changed:showing event for doorhangers
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  63. # [13:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1210741 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  64. # [13:02] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210741 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] Implement IAccessible::accLocation
  65. # [13:32] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr requested needinfo from mzehe@mozilla.com on bug 718637.
  66. # [13:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  67. # [13:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.org on bug 1052866.
  68. # [13:37] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052866 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Expose IAccessibleText on tables, rows, etc.
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  82. # [14:42] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Assignee on bug 718637 from nobody@mozilla.org to fred.wang@free.fr.
  83. # [14:42] <@firebot> fred.wang@free.fr changed the Status on bug 718637 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  84. # [14:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  85. # [14:49] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(mzehe@mozilla.com) on bug 718637.
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  88. # [14:59] <Jamie> surkov: <table contentEditable="ture">...</table>
  89. # [15:01] <fredw> MarcoZ: can you try Patch V2 + the patch that modifies the mac bundle id on bug 718637?
  90. # [15:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/718637 — ASSIGNED, fred.wang@free.fr — [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  91. # [15:07] <&MarcoZ> fredw: Building now, should get a result in about 25 minutes.
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  94. # [15:13] <@eeejay> yzen: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try&revision=6a132a409cc2
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  96. # [15:23] <Gijs> fredw: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921040
  97. # [15:23] <@firebot> Bug 921040 — FIXED, ted@mielczarek.org — Cross-compile Firefox for Mac on Linux
  98. # [15:27] <Gijs> eeejay: fwiw, the bug I was talking about yesterday regarding startup errors was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1202735
  99. # [15:27] <@firebot> Bug 1202735 — NEW, m_kato@ga2.so-net.ne.jp — Startup warning: While creating services from category 'profile-after-change', service for entry 'Sa
  100. # [15:29] <Gijs> looks like there's a patch but no r? request on it?
  101. # [15:29] <Jamie> surkov: nSelectionRanges(long* count);
  102. # [15:30] <Jamie> surkov: get_selectionRange(long selection, IUnknown** startAcc, long* startOffset, IUnknown** endAcc, long* endOffset);
  103. # [15:34] <Jamie> surkov: you can select table cells themselves, but you can also select text within table cells. As I understand it, these two are not quite the same
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  106. # [15:47] <~davidb> Trevor Day!
  107. # [15:47] <~davidb> also, heyooo
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  116. # [15:55] <@eeejay> davidb: http://eeejay.github.io/webspeechdemos/
  117. # [15:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 873438 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  118. # [15:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/873438 — NEW, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Implement IAccessible2_2::accessibleWithCaret
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  120. # [16:03] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 567553 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  121. # [16:03] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 567553 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  122. # [16:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/567553 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — add GetAccessibleAtCaret method
  123. # [16:05] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(mzehe@mozilla.com) on bug 1178272.
  124. # [16:05] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1178272 — NEW, fred.wang@free.fr — Move table semantics to a separate mozTableAccessible.mm file
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  129. # [16:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1210803 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  130. # [16:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210803 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — expose the selection interface on proxied accessibles
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  132. # [16:20] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1210803 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
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  136. # [16:37] <joanie> surkov: so the events for doorhangers work (thanks again!!), but I'm getting two instead of one, and seem to also be getting a showing event for an object of ROLE_WINDOW. Now that I have something I can work with (again, thanks!), I can filter out duplicates. But if you didn't mean to emit duplicates, could you look to see what's causing it?
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  138. # [16:38] <@surkov> hm, good question
  139. # [16:38] <@surkov> I’ll talke a look of course
  140. # [16:39] <joanie> thank you :)
  141. # [16:41] <fredw> MarcoZ: are you willing to review attachment 8668907, or should I ask surkov ?
  142. # [16:49] <&MarcoZ> fredw: Please ask Surkov. :) I don't know if I might be missing something.
  143. # [16:50] <@surkov> heh :)
  144. # [16:50] <fredw> surkov: it is a small patch
  145. # [16:50] <@surkov> ok :)
  146. # [16:52] <fredw> surkov: moreover, it was written three years ago !
  147. # [16:52] <@surkov> it’s not really a good sign :)
  148. # [16:53] <@surkov> does it still work?
  149. # [16:55] <~davidb> firebot: fortune?
  150. # [16:55] <@firebot> Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down.
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  156. # [16:59] <~davidb> fredw, what's the plan with the mac bundle ID patch?
  157. # [17:00] <fredw> davidb: this was for testing purpose. VoiceOver does not know Firefox bundle id so we wanted to use Safari's one. But that didn't seem to work
  158. # [17:01] <~davidb> oh i thought it worked, ok.
  159. # [17:02] <fredw> davidb: probably Apple prevents people from using "reserved" ids like com.apple.Safari. MarcoZ was not able to start Firefox with that change.
  160. # [17:02] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Apparently VoiceOver needs to whitelist app bundles that it treats as web browsers.
  161. # [17:02] <&MarcoZ> So in addition to our event firing, Apple needs to do their part in whitelisting Firefox and derivative builds like Nightly, DevEdition etc. properly.
  162. # [17:03] <~davidb> MarcoZ, st3fan might know a bit about this
  163. # [17:03] <~davidb> but if it is VO specific maybe not
  164. # [17:03] <&MarcoZ> davidb: And it's OS X, not iOS.
  165. # [17:04] <~davidb> why did we let michaud retire?
  166. # [17:04] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Hahah! Was just thinking the same!
  167. # [17:04] <~davidb> i'm sure we will think this again and again
  168. # [17:05] <&MarcoZ> I have a feeling we will!
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  170. # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> fredw: well, if you don't object to a little hex editing and stuff you could probably just fix voice over to test :)
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  172. # [17:16] <@tbsaunde> Jamie: I imagine you are doing math, but if interested accLocation fix is http://paste2.org/cJLcpaxj
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  178. # [17:34] <Gijs> MarcoZ: Demo page for "Web Notifications": https://people.mozilla.org/~mnoorenberghe/w3c_notifications.htm
  179. # [17:36] <Jamie> surkov: Joanie noted that she thinks role="text" should map to static in ATK, which does bring the text frame thing into question. I'm tempted to agree. I do wonder whether ROLE_SYSTEM_STATICTEXT is more appropriate
  180. # [17:37] <@surkov> Jamie: what about your example <p role=‘text’></p>?
  181. # [17:38] <Jamie> surkov: merg. Joanie?
  182. # [17:38] <@surkov> merg?
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  188. # [18:04] <joanie> surkov: http://www.ets-research.org/ia11ylab/aria11spec/
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  190. # [18:06] <Gijs> what happens if you open this page: http://html5demos.com/geo ?
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  192. # [18:09] <~davidb> Jamie, just holler when you want to eat
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  197. # [18:20] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Wondering if there's that food with sausage, but without shrimp?
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  199. # [18:22] <Gijs> document.getElementById("notification-popup").setAttribute("noautofocus", "true")
  200. # [18:22] <Gijs> Jamie: ^
  201. # [18:24] <Jamie> Gijs: yes, that fixes the issue
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  203. # [18:25] <Gijs> Jamie: document.getElementById("notification-popup").removeAttribute("noautofocus")
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  210. # [18:59] <Gijs> wat: http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/datasheet_links.html
  211. # [19:00] <~davidb> Gijs, what is that?
  212. # [19:02] <Gijs> davidb: a very good question :)
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  215. # [19:33] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1210884 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  216. # [19:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210884 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — expose the action interface on proxied accessibles
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  218. # [19:38] <~davidb> Gijs, mmmmm maybe bug 962167
  219. # [19:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/962167 — INVALID, nobody@mozilla.org — 508 Compliance for Firefox ESR 24.2.0
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  224. # [20:24] <joanie> https://people.mozilla.org/~mnoorenberghe/w3c_notifications.htm
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  245. # [22:35] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210441 from --- to FIXED.
  246. # [22:35] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210441 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  247. # [22:35] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210441.
  248. # [22:35] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210441 from --- to mozilla44.
  249. # [22:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210441 — FIXED, fred.wang@free.fr — ProxyAccessible::IsTable* should take tabular MathML accessibles into account.
  250. # [22:38] <Jamie> joanie: The object represents an alert or a condition that a user should be notified about. This role is used only for objects that embody an alert but are not associated with another user interface element, such as a message box, graphic, text, or sound.
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  252. # [23:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1210982 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  253. # [23:06] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210982 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — JavaScript alert dialogs should be exposed as ROLE_DIALOG rather than ROLE_ALERT in ATK and IA2
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  257. # [23:48] <smaug> nsAccessibleWrap::ReturnString is interesting
  258. # [23:49] <smaug> scary, but I guess when used properly, safe
  259. # [23:51] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah... that's pretty old code, and iirc the uses are kind of tricky to do something else
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  261. # [23:52] <Jamie> joanie: bug 1052478
  262. # [23:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1052478 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Punctuation inside embedded object breaks word offsets
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  266. # [23:57] <Jamie> joanie: data:text/html,foo<div>--<br>Jamie</div>
  267. # [23:59] <smaug> tbsaunde: do you recall if the stuff getKeyBindingCB does is somewhat global
  268. # [23:59] <smaug> or is that key binding atk specific?
  269. # Session Close: Sat Oct 03 00:00:00 2015

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