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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 07 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  9. # [00:41] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212133 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  10. # [00:42] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212133 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::RemoveDependentIDsFor(mozilla::a11y::Accessible*, nsIAtom*)
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  15. # [01:01] <joanie> tbsaunde: ping
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  20. # [01:22] <@tbsaunde> joanie: pong
  21. # [01:22] <joanie> tbsaunde: hey
  22. # [01:22] <joanie> tbsaunde: it seems like nightly now periodically switches to e10s being enabled even when it's manually been disabled
  23. # [01:22] <joanie> this makes running Orca's regression tests less predictable
  24. # [01:23] <joanie> any idea what new (??) setting this may be?
  25. # [01:23] <@tbsaunde> joanie: huh weird, I haven't seen that
  26. # [01:23] <joanie> ok
  27. # [01:23] <joanie> I was running a single test to debug something, and saw a notification box indicating I was now testing it
  28. # [01:24] <joanie> but then the next run that wasn't there.
  29. # [01:24] <joanie> and the harness copies, uses, then removes its firefox profile for each individual test
  30. # [01:26] <@tbsaunde> joanie: the only thing I can think of is there are some prefs like browser.tags.remote.autostart.$N as well as browser.tabs.remote.autostart and which is important might change over time, but it sounds like that's not the issue
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  32. # [01:27] <joanie> I suppose I could add a bunch of $N just to be safe :)
  33. # [01:27] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I think its only gone up to 3 or so
  34. # [01:27] <joanie> it reminded me that I need to add support for the notification bar anyway -- which would at least cause Orca to speak that and make it more obvious that the switch happened in a given test. :)
  35. # [01:28] <joanie> but I can add a 3 if there isn't one in the profile. Thanks!!
  36. # [01:28] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah, sorry I don't have much to offer
  37. # [01:29] <joanie> no worries tbsaunde. just figured you might know.
  38. # [01:32] <@tbsaunde> well, good luck, hopefully it won't matter soon
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  41. # [01:43] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Component on bug 1212080 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  42. # [01:43] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr changed the Product on bug 1212080 from Firefox to Core.
  43. # [01:53] <@firebot> gladjonatan@outlook.com requested needinfo from epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr on bug 1212080.
  44. # [01:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212080 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Remove the keyboard shortcut Alt+Shift+S which was recently added
  45. # [01:55] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr cancelled needinfo?(epinal99-bugzilla2@yahoo.fr) on bug 1212080.
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  96. # [14:59] <~davidb> heyo
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  103. # [15:33] <joanie> tbsaunde: or surkov: ping
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  105. # [15:34] <@surkov> joanie: pong
  106. # [15:34] <joanie> surkov: hey :)
  107. # [15:34] <@surkov> hey
  108. # [15:34] <joanie> while looking into something else I noticed something minor (I think) but which might need to be changed
  109. # [15:35] <@surkov> ok :)
  110. # [15:35] <joanie> sometimes Firefox seems to be reporting its name with a capital F; other times with a lowercase F
  111. # [15:35] <joanie> Orca checks for either case
  112. # [15:35] <@tbsaunde> interesting
  113. # [15:35] <joanie> but if an AT were comparing names as-is, this would look like different apps potentially
  114. # [15:36] <joanie> I discovered it because my listener for debugging wasn't checking case
  115. # [15:36] <joanie> so events orca was seeing was being ignored
  116. # [15:36] <@surkov> same Firefox build?
  117. # [15:36] <joanie> same firefox process
  118. # [15:36] <joanie> I'm looking at the doorhangers (didn't finish it in Toronto)
  119. # [15:36] <@surkov> oh
  120. # [15:36] <@tbsaunde> more weird
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  122. # [15:36] <joanie> In addition to the duplicate showing events (duplicate not good)
  123. # [15:37] <joanie> I'm seeing a showing event for an object with ROLE_WINDOW
  124. # [15:37] <joanie> which might solve my duplicate event situation
  125. # [15:37] <joanie> but then i noticed the window event comes from app.name 'firefox'
  126. # [15:37] <joanie> the alert showing event comes from app.name 'Firefox'
  127. # [15:37] * joanie shrugs
  128. # [15:37] <joanie> I assume it's a quick grep for y'all
  129. # [15:38] <joanie> in the past, it was always capital 'F' (and capital 'T' for Thunderbird, and capital 'I' for Instabird)
  130. # [15:38] <joanie> the lowercase version seems new, but I don't know how new
  131. # [15:40] <&MarcoZ> Hi all!
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  133. # [15:41] <joanie> oh interesting
  134. # [15:41] <joanie> the window accessible comes from toolkit:gtk
  135. # [15:41] <joanie> that must be a Gtk+3 object
  136. # [15:41] <@surkov> that probably explains different names
  137. # [15:41] <joanie> yeah
  138. # [15:42] <joanie> and it doesn't contain the alert/doorhanger
  139. # [15:42] <joanie> so I cannot use it
  140. # [15:42] <joanie> bah
  141. # [15:42] <@tbsaunde> joanie: that's weird
  142. # [15:42] * joanie nods
  143. # [15:43] <@tbsaunde> but I guess if its gtk's fault its "firefox" I don't have to worry about it ;p because it doesn't make any sense to me
  144. # [15:43] <joanie> heh
  145. # [15:43] * joanie likes passing the buck too
  146. # [15:43] <joanie> speaking of bucks to pass.... surkov: Any chance I could have an object:state-changed:showing false when an alert/doorhanger goes away?
  147. # [15:44] * joanie triple-checks she's not already
  148. # [15:44] <joanie> (but I don't think I am getting them now)
  149. # [15:45] <@tbsaunde> I wouldn't expect it, afaik the win alert event is only when the thing is created ro stuff is added to it
  150. # [15:45] <joanie> tbsaunde: What's that phrase you use? Sad panda? ;)
  151. # [15:46] <joanie> ok, all the more reason for the duplicate event needing to be nuked
  152. # [15:46] <@surkov> joanie: technically yes but the accessible tree is destroyed anyway, how that would be useful
  153. # [15:46] <joanie> surkov: what I need is a means to identify whether or not an alert should be presented
  154. # [15:46] <joanie> the rule of "present it when it announces it is showing" won't work because it double-announces that
  155. # [15:47] <joanie> because it doesn't ever announce it's no longer showing, I don't know it's gone away
  156. # [15:47] <joanie> i.e. did it go away and re-appear as a result of user input?
  157. # [15:49] <@surkov> technically you could keep a pointer to alert accessible and see if it’s still alive
  158. # [15:50] <joanie> I suppose. We've gotten out of that habit with Gecko because Gecko destroys and replaces accessibles often enough
  159. # [15:50] <joanie> so Orca has isSameObject() which compares extents and roles and names and the like
  160. # [15:50] <joanie> and an alert which went away and popped up again would pass the isSameObject() test
  161. # [15:50] <joanie> BUT
  162. # [15:51] <@surkov> you can check defuct state I guess
  163. # [15:51] <joanie> not in the case in question
  164. # [15:51] <@surkov> it shouldn’t be same accessible object
  165. # [15:52] <joanie> the case in question is: I have a state-changed:showing event for an alert. Is it a new alert or the same one as the previous event?
  166. # [15:52] <joanie> if the objects are the same, then duh, it is
  167. # [15:52] <@surkov> in case of Firefox I think these will be different objects
  168. # [15:52] <joanie> but if you destroyed the first one and created a new one, which you do with other accessibles, how do I know if the second one is a recreation/replicant functioning as the same alert?
  169. # [15:53] <joanie> or if it's a new alert that happens to have the same content and be in the same place?
  170. # [15:53] <@surkov> you probably don’t know that
  171. # [15:53] <joanie> bingo
  172. # [15:53] <@surkov> I don’t follow you?
  173. # [15:54] <joanie> you said I could keep a pointer to the alert accessible
  174. # [15:54] <joanie> and see if it's still alive
  175. # [15:54] <@tbsaunde> I expect recreating alerts is kind of rare, I doubt the sort of thing "normal" webcontent does to get recreation happens there, but this is silly, someone should just debug the multiple events thing
  176. # [15:54] <joanie> tbsaunde: agreed re multiple events
  177. # [15:54] <joanie> but elements are destroyed and recreated all the time
  178. # [15:55] <joanie> e.g. because the author does some css change when an element gains focus
  179. # [15:55] <joanie> it's functionally the same element; it ain't the same pointer
  180. # [15:56] <joanie> and this happens enough that Orca cannot simply due equality checks for most things Gecko :-/
  181. # [15:56] <@surkov> I’m not sure how showing false event could help here
  182. # [15:56] <joanie> surkov: it would be to update state in Orca
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  185. # [15:56] <joanie> if an alert is currently showing or not would be stored
  186. # [15:57] <@surkov> state of what?
  187. # [15:57] <joanie> alert being shown
  188. # [15:57] <@tbsaunde> joanie: sure, my point is its probably "fine" in this particular case
  189. # [15:57] <@surkov> when do you plan to use this info? same time when you get that event or some time later?
  190. # [15:58] <joanie> surkov: store it when one is showing; check it the next time something claims to be showing
  191. # [15:58] <joanie> but like tbsaunde said, the better thing to do would be to stop the duplicates
  192. # [15:59] <@surkov> agree, if that’s a problem you’re trying to workaround :)
  193. # [15:59] <joanie> it is
  194. # [15:59] <joanie> :)
  195. # [15:59] <@tbsaunde> seriously this discussion has probably gone on half as long as just debugging it ;p
  196. # [15:59] * joanie shuts up
  197. # [15:59] <~davidb> firebot: fortune?
  198. # [15:59] <@firebot> Debug is human, de-fix divine.
  199. # [15:59] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I'm not really looking at you unless you want to debug firefox ;)
  200. # [15:59] <~davidb> ha@
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  203. # [16:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212351 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  204. # [16:32] <joanie> Sorry for the delay. Wanted to check other test cases. Anyhoo surkov ^^.
  205. # [16:33] <@surkov> yep, saw it, thanks
  206. # [16:33] <wsmwk> question - is accessibility functionality in linux equal to windows or mac??
  207. # [16:33] * joanie steps carefully around the potentially-loaded question ;)
  208. # [16:34] <joanie> with respect to sample task 2, my understanding is that jamie sees the same thing in Windows
  209. # [16:34] <joanie> I don't know about the others
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  212. # [16:45] <&MarcoZ> wsmwk: Aside from some usability differences/different concepts in handling user interfaces, from an accessibility API standpoint they're comparable.
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  215. # [17:15] <~davidb> eeejay, yzen, MarcoZ, are we good for bsmash in 15?
  216. # [17:16] <@yzen> yep
  217. # [17:16] <@eeejay> Yup, sure
  218. # [17:16] <&MarcoZ> davidb: What's today's topic? Mobile?
  219. # [17:16] <@yzen> MarcoZ yeah
  220. # [17:17] <&MarcoZ> OK!
  221. # [17:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212380 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  222. # [17:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212380 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Improving verbosity of the OutputGenerator.
  223. # [17:29] <~davidb> yzen, i'm in eglinton
  224. # [17:29] <@yzen> eeejay coming
  225. # [17:29] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212382 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  226. # [17:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212382 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] send correct enqueue option with AccessFu output events.
  227. # [17:29] <~davidb> yzen, i'm in eglinton
  228. # [17:29] <~davidb> and repeating myself
  229. # [17:29] <~davidb> :)
  230. # [17:34] <~davidb> eeejay, last one in is a rotten egg
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  236. # [19:01] <joanie> Gijs: bug 1212436. It's not a11y per se, but related to it. Wasn't sure whom to direct it to. So you win. :)
  237. # [19:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212436 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Don't show password automatically when field gets focus in 'Remember this password' doorhanger
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  240. # [19:38] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210407 from --- to FIXED.
  241. # [19:38] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210407 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  242. # [19:38] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210407.
  243. # [19:38] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210407 from --- to mozilla44.
  244. # [19:38] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210408 from --- to FIXED.
  245. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210408 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  246. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210408.
  247. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210408 from --- to mozilla44.
  248. # [19:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210407 — FIXED, bugs@pettay.fi — teach nsMaiInterfaceTable to use proxies
  249. # [19:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210408 — FIXED, bugs@pettay.fi — make nsMaiInterfaceAction work with proxies
  250. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 873438 from --- to FIXED.
  251. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 873438 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  252. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 873438.
  253. # [19:39] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 873438 from --- to mozilla44.
  254. # [19:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/873438 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Implement IAccessible2_2::accessibleWithCaret
  255. # [19:40] * joanie catches up on bugmail and thanks Gijs for directing that bug to the appropriate area/person :)
  256. # [19:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212457 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  257. # [19:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212457 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash at ARIARowAccessible::GroupPosition()
  258. # [20:11] <@firebot> vseerror@lehigh.edu requested needinfo from johan.charlez@gmail.com on bug 1135409.
  259. # [20:11] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1135409 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — Ctrl+shift+D and ctrl+shift+B no longer work.
  260. # [20:18] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 1212481 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
  261. # [20:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212481 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Accessible name of password doorhanger's email entry should be updated to reflect contents
  262. # [20:18] <joanie> surkov: or Gijs: Not sure which one of you gets ^^^
  263. # [20:19] * joanie also wonders about push buttons with children that are also push buttons, but will leave that for some other day :)
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  267. # [20:28] <@firebot> johan.charlez@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(johan.charlez@gmail.com) on bug 1135409.
  268. # [20:28] <@firebot> johan.charlez@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1135409 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  269. # [20:28] <@firebot> johan.charlez@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1135409 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  270. # [20:29] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1135409 — WORKSFORME, nobody@mozilla.org — Ctrl+shift+D and ctrl+shift+B no longer work.
  271. # [20:58] * davidb is now known as davidb|afk
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  273. # [21:05] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  274. # [21:11] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212504 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  275. # [21:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212504 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Implement universal back gesture.
  276. # [21:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212505 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  277. # [21:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212505 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Send an AccessFu event on not hit.
  278. # [21:15] <@firebot> guijoselito@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1205341 from --- to FIXED.
  279. # [21:15] <@firebot> guijoselito@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1205341 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  280. # [21:16] <@firebot> guijoselito@gmail.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1205341.
  281. # [21:16] <@firebot> guijoselito@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1205341 from --- to mozilla44.
  282. # [21:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1205341 — FIXED, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — get rid of aria-owns provided relations
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  284. # [21:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212516 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  285. # [21:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212516 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] doubletap2 should be used to pause/play media in Gaia.
  286. # [21:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212522 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  287. # [21:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212522 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Accessfu] swipeup3 and swipeup2 should trigger an AccessFu control event to be used for read all fu
  288. # [21:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212526 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  289. # [21:43] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212526 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Implement rotor gesture.
  290. # [21:46] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212528 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  291. # [21:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212528 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Switch utterance order to top ancestor first.
  292. # [21:48] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212530 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  293. # [21:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212530 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Implement better ordinality.
  294. # [21:50] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212532 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  295. # [21:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212532 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Ensure that we are consistent in the order within utterance.
  296. # [21:51] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212534 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  297. # [21:52] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212534 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] remove has popup part of the utterance.
  298. # [22:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212537 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  299. # [22:00] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212537 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Spin button value adjustment does not with reliably.
  300. # [22:26] * davidb is now known as davidb|afk
  301. # [22:35] * Quits: Ryuno-Ki (Ryuno-Ki@moz-7045h0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: WeeChat 1.3)
  302. # [22:36] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com set status-firefox43 to affected on bug 1204836.
  303. # [22:36] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1204836 — FIXED, steffen.wilberg@web.de — In about:home, make any searchable keypress focus the search box, and restore ctrl+f to invoke the f
  304. # [22:37] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com set status-firefox42 to unaffected on bug 1204836.
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  306. # [22:43] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  307. # [22:44] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Client exited)
  308. # [22:49] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1212528 from nobody@mozilla.org to yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  309. # [22:49] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1212528 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  310. # [22:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212528 — ASSIGNED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Switch utterance order to top ancestor first.
  311. # [22:55] * Quits: ~davidb (davidb@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Quit: Blah blah blah)
  312. # Session Close: Thu Oct 08 00:00:00 2015

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