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  68. # [13:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1163706 from --- to INVALID.
  69. # [13:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1163706 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  70. # [13:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1163706 — INVALID, nobody@mozilla.org — Not possible to select text from different objects into a single selection using IAccessible2
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  82. # [15:09] <~davidb> heyo
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  84. # [15:14] <~davidb> Happy Gijs day everyone
  85. # [15:19] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox43 to fixed on bug 1204836.
  86. # [15:19] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1204836 — FIXED, steffen.wilberg@web.de — In about:home, make any searchable keypress focus the search box, and restore ctrl+f to invoke the f
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  92. # [15:45] <&MarcoZ> Heyo all!
  93. # [15:45] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: What's the current plan with bug 1210549?
  94. # [15:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210549 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Fix retrieval of proxied accessibles from events on Windows
  95. # [15:45] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: can't land until I fix some toher stuff
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  97. # [15:46] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: OK!
  98. # [15:47] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Just wanted to make sure we're not missing this one since some others we worked on last week have landed.
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  112. # [16:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210884 from --- to FIXED.
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  114. # [16:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210884 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  115. # [16:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210884.
  116. # [16:29] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210884 from --- to mozilla44.
  117. # [16:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210884 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — expose the action interface on proxied accessibles
  118. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1210741 from --- to FIXED.
  119. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1210741 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  120. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1210741.
  121. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1210741 from --- to mozilla44.
  122. # [16:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210741 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — [e10s] Implement IAccessible::accLocation
  123. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1209615 from --- to FIXED.
  124. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1209615 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  125. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1209615.
  126. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1209615 from --- to mozilla44.
  127. # [16:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1209615 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — make RootAccessible::RelationByType() work with e10s
  128. # [16:31] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1206107 from --- to FIXED.
  129. # [16:31] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1206107 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  130. # [16:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1206107 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — crash beginning in nightly 0916 in mozilla::a11y::Accessible::HasGenericType(mozilla::a11y::AccGener
  131. # [16:48] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1209615 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  132. # [16:48] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1209615 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — make RootAccessible::RelationByType() work with e10s
  133. # [16:50] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1212880 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
  134. # [16:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212880 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — TabParent.cpp build bustage with --disable-accessibility specified
  135. # [16:58] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 1212880 from nobody@mozilla.org to ryanvm@gmail.com.
  136. # [16:58] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1212880 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
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  167. # [19:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: can you think of a reason AccessibleWrap::get_accValue needs to check if NativeRole() is a password?
  168. # [19:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it was used to not reveal a password to AT
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  170. # [19:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but when is it neccessary to check there for that?
  171. # [19:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I”m not sure whether this is necessary check now, so if we grab value from text which is **** then you can get rid that check
  172. # [19:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: and besides it wouldn't work for role=password
  173. # [19:40] <@surkov> it wouldn’t, but I’m not sure how much we should do about role=passowrd vs to what the author is responsible for
  174. # [19:41] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess that's fair
  175. # [19:42] <@tbsaunde> but on the other hand what about sticking role on input type=password?
  176. # [19:42] <@surkov> that’s probably why we had NativeRole() check
  177. # [19:43] <~davidb> we should just return 'hunter2'
  178. # [19:43] <~davidb> aw dang i gotta teleport
  179. # [19:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but I mean in that case the author is kind of claiming its not a password entry so maybe we should expose the value
  180. # [19:44] <@surkov> btw, HTMLTextFieldAccessible::Value has a check for passwords, AccessibleWrap should be a duping one
  181. # [19:44] <@surkov> yes, but in this case people may use ARIA for cheeting I guess which is bad
  182. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess? its really not clear to me what's "right" but I'm happy to not think about it ;p
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  189. # [20:47] <smaug> tbsaunde: curious, how far are with with e10s+a11y+linux ?
  190. # [20:47] <smaug> (thinking about the Q3 goal)
  191. # [20:47] <~davidb> we called it done
  192. # [20:48] <~davidb> IIRC it was 'a user can file a bug via ff+e10s+a11y'
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  195. # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> smaug: I think all the problems I know about have patches commited at this point
  196. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so I think tomorrows nightly will have all that and hopefully joanie can do some more tests over the weekend or something
  197. # [21:04] <smaug> in other words, I missed that goal too :)
  198. # [21:05] <smaug> happy to help with e10s+a11y some more
  199. # [21:05] <joanie> tbsaunde: yeah, I'm running tests with non e10s today and updating them to be sure I have a proper comparison
  200. # [21:05] <joanie> thanks smaug :)
  201. # [21:05] <@tbsaunde> smaug: not sure I follow
  202. # [21:05] <@tbsaunde> smaug: I'm afraid its basically all windows and mac now
  203. # [21:05] <smaug> tbsaunde: I had some Q3 goal about a11y
  204. # [21:05] <@tbsaunde> joanie: thanks
  205. # [21:05] <smaug> tbsaunde: right, I think I should then do some mac or windows work
  206. # [21:06] <joanie> tbsaunde: meaning what's left is all windows and mac?
  207. # [21:06] <joanie> or that if I haven't found it yet, I'm s.o.l.?
  208. # [21:06] * smaug has a second hand macbook from ServiceNow
  209. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> smaug: your more than welcome to, I just kind of had the impression you weren't set up for it
  210. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah basically
  211. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> basically what's left is windows and mac, I guess there might be some linux stuff but probably not much left
  212. # [21:07] <smaug> tbsaunde: well, I'm _not_at_all_ familiar with Windows or Mac specific code
  213. # [21:07] * joanie nods to tbsaunde
  214. # [21:07] <smaug> tbsaunde: but happy to do some similar stuff I did for linux
  215. # [21:08] <smaug> tbsaunde: I guess Mac is easiest from setup point of view
  216. # [21:08] <joanie> i'll know more either tomorrow or by Monday
  217. # [21:08] <@tbsaunde> joanie: I think you need tonights nightly for all the fixes and monday is a holiday up here
  218. # [21:09] <joanie> ok
  219. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> smaug: sure, let me take a look for stuff
  220. # [21:09] <joanie> "happily" I got some sort of death flu and can easily wait to tomorrow. And I think it's a holiday here monday as well, but you know, European company and me not knowing what day it is. :)
  221. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde> joanie: haha
  222. # [21:14] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so as a start you could finish bug 1199755
  223. # [21:14] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1199755 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — Retrieve remote children correctly from non-remote mozAccessible
  224. # [21:16] * smaug adds that to todo list. Need to update the macbook first
  225. # [21:20] <smaug> tbsaunde: most of the mc/win work is similar to what was done for linux?
  226. # [21:22] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah, roughly
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  231. # [21:51] <smaug> tbsaunde: ok, updating the macbook. Looks like I've booted it in May last time
  232. # [21:54] <@tbsaunde> smaug: lol
  233. # [21:55] <joanie> I just found a way to crash a tab in e10s. I may have something for smaug yet ;)
  234. # [21:56] <joanie> (not yet enough data to file quite yet though)
  235. # [21:57] <smaug> joanie: if it crashes in DOM or a11y code, happy to look at it
  236. # [21:58] <joanie> thanks smaug! I'm going to see if I can get a stacktrace (bugs never happen when they detect gdb running)
  237. # [21:58] <smaug> joanie: did you get a crash-report?
  238. # [21:59] <joanie> I didn't generate one
  239. # [22:00] <joanie> in the past when I do I'm told it's not "good enough" or enlightening or whatever
  240. # [22:01] <smaug> joanie: depends. crash-reports are often good enough for fixing crashes
  241. # [22:01] <smaug> but not always
  242. # [22:03] <joanie> smaug: http://www.fpaste.org/276624/
  243. # [22:03] <joanie> there's some a11y in there
  244. # [22:03] <joanie> but not sure that's an a11y crash
  245. # [22:03] <smaug> looking
  246. # [22:04] <smaug> clipboard...
  247. # [22:04] <smaug> hey, isn't this one tbsaunde mentioned
  248. # [22:04] <joanie> dunno
  249. # [22:04] <smaug> tbsaunde: mozilla::a11y::Accessible::TakeFocus() does random stuff inside it
  250. # [22:05] <smaug> wasn't there even bug filed for this
  251. # [22:05] <smaug> but can't find it now
  252. # [22:06] <joanie> there was some sort of clipboardy-related thing
  253. # [22:06] <joanie> when I was in Toronto last week
  254. # [22:06] <joanie> but I don't recall it looking like this
  255. # [22:06] <joanie> disclaimer: I have death flu. I'm working since there's no one here to infect (telecommuter), but I'm dumb as a box of rocks atm.
  256. # [22:07] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah, we made it async, pretty sure that landed
  257. # [22:07] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  258. # [22:07] <joanie> tbsaunde: landed as in I have it in my currently nightly?
  259. # [22:07] <@tbsaunde> I don't know what nightly you are running, but I'd expect so, pretty sure I pushed it last week
  260. # [22:08] <smaug> joanie: Canada is dangerous. Last time I visited the country I got a death flu too.
  261. # [22:08] <joanie> tbsaunde: 44.0a1 (2015-10-08) -- I've been staying current, but not building
  262. # [22:09] <joanie> smaug: It's the Canadian Defense: Be wicked nice and delightful, but give foreigners death flu to bring home
  263. # [22:10] <joanie> who needs nukes?
  264. # [22:10] <joanie> ;)
  265. # [22:11] <@tbsaunde> ;p
  266. # [22:11] <@tbsaunde> so yeah, TakeFocus message should be async
  267. # [22:12] <~davidb> joanie, ugh sorry to hear that
  268. # [22:12] * ~davidb is fighting something too
  269. # [22:12] <joanie> davidb: it might not be canada. I tend to get sick when I travel for work because I take advantage of being there (i.e. with others) and sleep very little
  270. # [22:12] * ~davidb nods
  271. # [22:12] <joanie> i'm too old to do that without getting ill
  272. # [22:12] <joanie> :)
  273. # [22:24] <@tbsaunde> joanie: so, do you know how to reproduce this?
  274. # [22:24] <joanie> tbsaunde: about to head out to an appointment
  275. # [22:24] <joanie> but I can repro it with orca
  276. # [22:25] <joanie> and when I get back I'll see if I can make an orca-free simple test case
  277. # [22:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: can you tell me how? I'd like to play locally
  278. # [22:25] <joanie> you may need a file I have
  279. # [22:26] <joanie> give me a couple of minutes
  280. # [22:26] <@tbsaunde> sure, no hurry
  281. # [22:28] <joanie> tbsaunde: actually, you have cloned orca right?
  282. # [22:29] <joanie> if so the file you need is cloned-orca-dir/test/html/simpleform.html
  283. # [22:29] <joanie> and the steps to reproduce are:
  284. # [22:30] <joanie> 1. enable caret nav (f7)
  285. # [22:30] <joanie> 2. ctrl+home
  286. # [22:30] <joanie> 3. down arrow as fast as you can
  287. # [22:30] <joanie> if it doesn't crash a couple of arrows into the textarea
  288. # [22:30] <joanie> then go back to step 2 and try again
  289. # [22:30] <joanie> seems to be some sort of timing thing
  290. # [22:33] <joanie> tbsaunde: I have to run now. hopefully the above will be all you need. otherwise lemme know.
  291. # [22:34] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-6kbmhh.rev.dnainternet.fi) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0a1/20150925030206])
  292. # [22:34] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah, I'm pretty sure its a race, thanks I'll try
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  294. # [22:46] <@tbsaunde> smaug: fwiw my conclusion so far is that while we are waiting for that sync clipboard thing we get a message the parent sent first which gets us to MessageChannel::WasTransactionCanceled() andthe assert in there
  295. # [22:47] * Quits: clown (clown@moz-v6m.c3o.211.205.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  296. # [22:47] <@tbsaunde> so I want to see if I can figure out what that message the parent sent is, but if its not a11y related it seems to me like this is some sort of general issue, but that also seems kind of hard to believe
  297. # [22:56] * Quits: anvk (anovak@moz-040.mvk.11.204.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  298. # [22:56] <smaug> hmm, sorry, was updating and setting up the macbook
  299. # [22:58] * yzen_ is now known as yzen
  300. # [22:58] <@tbsaunde> smaug: no worries, I'm waiting on an opt build so I can try to repro this under rr
  301. # [23:01] * yzen is now known as yzen_
  302. # [23:01] <smaug> this sshfs setup might work quite well. So I wouldn't need to use the macbook, just compile and run FF there
  303. # [23:05] * Quits: @yzen_ (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  304. # [23:06] <@tbsaunde> hah
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  308. # [23:31] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1212457 from --- to FIXED.
  309. # [23:31] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1212457 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  310. # [23:31] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1212457.
  311. # [23:31] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1212457 from --- to mozilla44.
  312. # [23:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212457 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — crash at ARIARowAccessible::GroupPosition()
  313. # [23:35] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hm, maybe you want to take this crash thing too? I'm not immediately reproducing here although some sort of weird hang thing is tripping up orca
  314. # [23:50] <smaug> tbsaunde: bug open?
  315. # [23:56] <@tbsaunde> smaug: I can file one
  316. # Session Close: Fri Oct 09 00:00:00 2015

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