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  1. # Session Start: Tue Oct 13 00:00:00 2015
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  22. # [09:04] * Topic is 'build the web for everyone | http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=accessibility'
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  25. # [10:38] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1213476.
  26. # [10:38] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213476 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Broken accessibility tree with Dojo drop down button
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  28. # [10:56] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1213452 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  29. # [10:56] <@firebot> mzehe@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1213452 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  30. # [10:56] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213452 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — [Mac] If option element has title attribute, VoiceOver only reads the title text, ignoring option te
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  46. # [15:13] <~davidb> heyooo
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  51. # [15:26] <&MarcoZ> Hey davidb! :)
  52. # [15:27] <~davidb> hi hi
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  58. # [16:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1213476.
  59. # [16:12] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213476 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Broken accessibility tree with Dojo drop down button
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  61. # [16:14] <Gijs> MarcoZ: can I get any specific node information through NVDA's object navigation?
  62. # [16:15] <Gijs> MarcoZ: so if I'm using it and the current object is not properly labeled, how do I find out which thing that corresponds to in the source tree?
  63. # [16:18] <Gijs> oh, interesting, it seems like the thing in question is the location bar dropmarker
  64. # [16:18] <Gijs> sigh
  65. # [16:18] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Yes, you can press NVDAKey+F1 and get info about the current accessible object in the object navigator or the focus. So if you use object navigator first, NVDA+F1 will correspond to the object you were on last.
  66. # [16:19] <&MarcoZ> After you've brought up the info, scroll down to the bottom to "IA2Attributes". There, you get things such as ID of the original element, its class, if present, and some other info.
  67. # [16:19] <Gijs> ahhh
  68. # [16:19] <Gijs> yeah
  69. # [16:19] <Gijs> IAccessible2 attributes: u'margin-left:0px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;margin-right:0px;tag:dropmarker;class:autocomplete-history-dropmarker urlbar-history-dropmarker;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;display:-moz-box;explicit-name:true;'
  70. # [16:19] <Gijs> beautiful
  71. # [16:20] <Gijs> MarcoZ: thanks!
  72. # [16:20] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: You're welcome!
  73. # [16:20] <Gijs> MarcoZ: just so we're clear, I'm pretty sure there's basically no reason to expose the dropdown arrow itself through a11y APIs, right?
  74. # [16:20] <Gijs> MarcoZ: for the location bar, I mean
  75. # [16:21] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I mean, it is anyway clear that it's an autocomplete box, and you can't interact with it using the object navigator (I mean, I could also fix that, but I don't really see the point)
  76. # [16:21] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right now this thing is one of the "Location button" things that gets exposed by NVDA if you object navigate
  77. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Nt sure. We have the keyboard equivalents, but speech recognition people will want to be able to open the box without having to go through the mouse or keyboard. They may use it and thus need Dragon or whatever they use to be able to access it.
  78. # [16:23] <Gijs> MarcoZ: hm... even if it opens automatically anyway when focus is in the box and there is text in it?
  79. # [16:24] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: What does that thing do if there is no text in it and you click it? Does it give any useful interaction?
  80. # [16:24] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I think it shows the most popular awesomebar things...
  81. # [16:24] <&MarcoZ> s/text in it/text in the field/
  82. # [16:26] <&MarcoZ> Yeah that's what I get if I just open a new tab, and without entering anything, press DownArrow.
  83. # [16:27] * wlach|holiday is now known as wlach
  84. # [16:30] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right
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  88. # [16:36] <Gijs> MarcoZ: so you're saying that instead, we should label it properly and make it do something when activated through object navigation?
  89. # [16:38] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: I must admit that voice recognition is my weak point. I am not sure how a user of such assistive tech would activate the dropdown normally.
  90. # [16:40] <Gijs> MarcoZ: well, we have 4 options... 1) do nothing :) ; 2) remove from a11y hierarchy; 3) label + make it work; 4) find someone else who can make the decision :)
  91. # [16:40] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I'm writing the patch that fixes all the other label disasters in the URL bar
  92. # [16:40] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: So I don't know if we'll take away something from them if we make this particular dropdown marker invisible/not accessible. On the other hand, until now it has had a label that was not unique, and we've had no complaints.
  93. # [16:40] <Gijs> fair
  94. # [16:41] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: How problematic would it be to go with 3?
  95. # [16:41] <Gijs> MarcoZ: ehm, not too much, I think, though I'm now realizing I don't know how to make the 'activate' bit work...
  96. # [16:41] <Gijs> I assumed we got a keypress, but it seems we don't.
  97. # [16:42] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Well, can you test if, when you object-nav to it, NVDA+Enter will do something?
  98. # [16:42] <Gijs> MarcoZ: right, and it doesn't work, so now I need to figure out how/why my code doesn't work
  99. # [16:42] <Gijs> MarcoZ: funny thing, I have no idea how the click path works right now...
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  101. # [16:43] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: That calls the default doAction method on the accessible. If it does the right thin, we don't have to do anything, and its magic already works. I think it simulates a mouse click if it doesn't find anything more useful to do.
  102. # [16:43] <Gijs> MarcoZ: it must have an interesting definition of "more useful" :P
  103. # [16:43] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Hmpf...Thought we'd have an easy way out here. :/
  104. # [16:44] <Gijs> it should be easy
  105. # [16:44] <Gijs> just isn't so far
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  107. # [16:45] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: I don't think it actually does much fancy stuff. I think it looks for a handler for mouse click or mouse down, and if so, simulates a mouse click.
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  109. # [16:49] <Gijs> MarcoZ: where does this code live?
  110. # [16:49] <Gijs> MarcoZ: the thing that simulates the mouse click and such?
  111. # [16:50] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Gimme a moment, need to search for it myself.
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  113. # [16:52] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/generic/Accessible.cpp#1526
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  116. # [16:58] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I can see that being hit for other buttons in my debugger, but not for this one...
  117. # [16:59] <Gijs> MarcoZ: where does the request from NVDA come into Firefox?
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  119. # [17:00] <Gijs> ahhhhh
  120. # [17:00] <Gijs> MarcoZ: OK, got it.
  121. # [17:01] <Gijs> which is good, I think I can fix this...
  122. # [17:13] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Fantastic!
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  125. # [17:44] <Gijs> MarcoZ: I jinxed it, clearly... still poking at a11y code :s
  126. # [17:47] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: No worries, you'll make it!
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  134. # [19:08] * smaug wonders why tbsaunde gave r+ to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199755 and then removed it
  135. # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug 1199755 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — Retrieve remote children correctly from non-remote mozAccessible
  136. # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hrm lets see if I can remember
  137. # [19:18] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1210982.
  138. # [19:18] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1210982 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — JavaScript alert dialogs should be exposed as ROLE_DIALOG rather than ROLE_ALERT in ATK and IA2
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  140. # [19:20] <@tbsaunde> smaug: hm not really, so just break the patch into pieces and make review it again? ;p
  141. # [19:22] <~davidb> lsocks is off for a bit but may be back before too long
  142. # [19:23] <~davidb> tbsaunde, how many separate bugs should there be?
  143. # [19:23] <smaug> tbsaunde: well, the patch is small anyhow
  144. # [19:23] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not necessarily bugs just patches, and I guess how ever many not really related things are fixed in the patch
  145. # [19:23] * smaug is trying to figure out what the bug is about ;)
  146. # [19:23] <~davidb> i read "also should be in a separate patch" as a third patch needed
  147. # [19:24] <~davidb> and "also unrelated so different patch please especially since its style only" a fourth?
  148. # [19:25] <@tbsaunde> davidb: maybe
  149. # [19:25] <~davidb> ack
  150. # [19:27] <@tbsaunde> smaug: basically its fixing the same thing as bug 1207253 but for mac
  151. # [19:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1207253 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — make getChildCountCB correctly deal with outerdoc accessibles with proxy children
  152. # [19:28] <@tbsaunde> smaug: but iirc it had to fix some other random stuff first including that assert you saw yesterday
  153. # [19:43] <smaug> tbsaunde: ok, not sure if it makes much sense to change the patch much
  154. # [19:43] <smaug> if it is after all ok
  155. # [19:43] <smaug> I guess I could remove the extra coding style change
  156. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> smaug: I'm not really sure, I assume there was a reason I decided r+ was a mistake
  157. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> breaking the patch into pieces really shouldn't be hard
  158. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> and its so much easier to know why people changed things when they are in patches that justify them ;)
  159. # [19:46] <smaug> tbsaunde: well, "breaking to pieces..."
  160. # [19:46] <smaug> the other piece is like 2 lines
  161. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> I guess its only one hunk, but that's fine :)
  162. # [19:47] <smaug> I could remove GetNativeFromGeckoAccessible(outerDoc) : nil; change
  163. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> smaug: so the first patch I'd break out is removing the assert, then I'd need to look at the full patch only glanced so far
  164. # [20:00] <smaug> tbsaunde: so, about the assertion. I don't really see anything which guarantees it shouldn't fire. I mean PDocAccessibleParent is possibly created later
  165. # [20:01] <smaug> OuterDocAccessible::RemoteChildDoc() just checks if there is TabParent, and if so, assumes everything under that TabParent has been initialized properly
  166. # [20:01] <smaug> although PDocAccessibleParent creation happens async
  167. # [20:03] <smaug> in other words, the assertion is just wrong :)
  168. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde> smaug: yeah, I suspect your right, in a few minutes I'll be done with bumail backlog and finish convincing myself of that :)
  169. # [20:05] <smaug> tbsaunde: I'll move that assertion to a separate bug
  170. # [20:06] <@tbsaunde> smaug: if you want, I just care about commits ;)
  171. # [20:07] <@tbsaunde> maybe it would make sure to assert if that happens that docCount is 0, but I not sure if that really matters
  172. # [20:08] <smaug> tbsaunde: docCount in TabParent?
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  174. # [20:09] <smaug> oh, yeah, I think it makes sense to assert there that if we're returning null, docCount is 0
  175. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> yeah, if there are remote docs one should be at the top ;)
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  177. # [20:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from singh.kushagra93@gmail.com on bug 634827.
  178. # [20:22] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/634827 — NEW, singh.kushagra93@gmail.com — don't set up selection listeners for controls other than text fields
  179. # [20:23] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1214316 filed by bugs@pettay.fi.
  180. # [20:23] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1214316 — NEW, bugs@pettay.fi — Improve assertions on top level remote accessible doc handling
  181. # [20:30] * smaug is still amazed how anyone can have so nice name as "Lorien"
  182. # [20:30] <joanie> smaug is a nice name :P
  183. # [20:31] <smaug> well, it is a nick name. I don't think Lorien is a nick name
  184. # [20:31] <joanie> see the ":P" above ;)
  185. # [20:32] <smaug> heh
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  188. # [21:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: how do I see a stack for bug 1213606 on linux?
  189. # [21:41] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213606 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in PLDHashTable::Remove(void const*)
  190. # [21:42] <~davidb> tbsaunde, https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/9d6ddbd2-c1d1-4858-a591-8c0702151008
  191. # [21:43] <~davidb> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/be3d2b08-3cd2-4e55-bf69-95d952151007
  192. # [21:43] <~davidb> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d757bee3-2598-4396-a34f-cc4ae2151012
  193. # [21:43] <~davidb> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/773971a8-228e-467b-ac00-f8f992151013
  194. # [21:43] <~davidb> that's all i can find
  195. # [21:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, so the first one is bad categorization lets see about the rest
  196. # [21:44] <~davidb> first one was 44 rest are 43
  197. # [21:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: looks like they are all some dom/quota bug every frame after 0 is different from the a11y but the same as the rest
  198. # [21:46] <@tbsaunde> which basically makes sense since the a11y crash should be win specific
  199. # [21:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: now the more fun question, it looks like we crashed while dealing with a channel error, any chance we can tell what that error was?
  200. # [21:47] <~davidb> tbsaunde, hmmm, what would i look for?
  201. # [21:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not really sure, maybe I should ask jimm or someone
  202. # [21:49] <~davidb> tbsaunde, yeah, maybe put your thoughts into the bug and needinfo them?
  203. # [21:49] <@tbsaunde> looks like I can just poke billm on irc
  204. # [21:49] <~davidb> ok, as long as you eventually deal with lizzard's needinfo on you ;)
  205. # [21:50] <lizzard> did someone say my name
  206. # [21:50] <lizzard> heh
  207. # [21:50] <~davidb> :)
  208. # [21:50] <~davidb> lizzard, that bug we're talking about doesn't seem to be a11y specific
  209. # [21:50] <~davidb> trevor is looking closer
  210. # [21:51] <@tbsaunde> well, no it is I'm just trying to understand how it can happen
  211. # [22:00] <_6a68> Hi a11y people! I'm working on an addon that replaces the awesomebar dropdown contents with an iframe, but I'm not sure how to make the contents of the iframe visible to screen readers / assistive tech
  212. # [22:00] <_6a68> I've looked at some a11y resources on the wiki, including this great checklist: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL_accessibility_guidelines#XUL_accessibility_checklist
  213. # [22:00] <_6a68> But I didn't see anything around a11y and iframes
  214. # [22:01] <_6a68> Pointers to resources or examples of iframe a11y would be much appreciated
  215. # [22:04] <~davidb> _6a68, i'm not sure off hand, but MarcoZ is good to ping (he's in Europe time)
  216. # [22:04] <~davidb> eeejay, looking at bug 1212366...
  217. # [22:04] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212366 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Aries] Phone crashes and reboots after tap-holding apps on Homescreen while using screen reader
  218. # [22:04] <_6a68> davidb: great, thank you!
  219. # [22:04] <~davidb> is this at all related to that regression (the roc one) ?
  220. # [22:04] <~davidb> _6a68, anytime
  221. # [22:06] <@eeejay> davidb: i suspect
  222. # [22:07] <~davidb> eeejay, yzen, so we need to get this figured out... are there 2 or 3 related bugs filed?
  223. # [22:07] <~davidb> and do we need to nag roc?
  224. # [22:08] <~davidb> bug 1212366, bug 1142747, and the one where roc commented
  225. # [22:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1142747 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Accessibility] crash during FxA login with screen reader on - crash in mozilla::CDMCaps::Lock()
  226. # [22:10] * ~davidb hydrates
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  228. # [22:13] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  229. # [22:13] <~davidb> eeejay, what is the bug # for the one where roc commented?
  230. # [22:15] * ~davidb might have been dreaming
  231. # [22:16] <@eeejay> davidb: bug 1209524
  232. # [22:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1209524 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Speech pause/resume does not work
  233. # [22:16] <~davidb> ty
  234. # [22:16] <@firebot> singh.kushagra93@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(singh.kushagra93@gmail.com) on bug 634827.
  235. # [22:16] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/634827 — NEW, singh.kushagra93@gmail.com — don't set up selection listeners for controls other than text fields
  236. # [22:17] <~davidb> hmm hard to know if related
  237. # [22:17] <@firebot> singh.kushagra93@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 634827 from singh.kushagra93@gmail.com to kmather73@gmail.com.
  238. # [22:18] <~davidb> yzen, what is the regression window for 1212366
  239. # [22:20] <@yzen> davidb i m guessing if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212366#c10 is not enough we can request it
  240. # [22:20] <@firebot> Bug 1212366 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [Aries] Phone crashes and reboots after tap-holding apps on Homescreen while using screen reader
  241. # [22:20] <~davidb> yzen, probably helpful
  242. # [22:23] <~davidb> yzen, comment 10 looks to me like they just tested trunk on aries and an older build on flame
  243. # [22:24] <@yzen> davidb ok so it seems i should ask for the window then when it starts failing on aries
  244. # [22:24] <~davidb> yzen, yeah, and you can cc me at the same time if you like
  245. # [22:24] <~davidb> or hold off on that
  246. # [22:27] <~davidb> i can chime in tomorrow if needed
  247. # [22:33] <@firebot> tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org cancelled needinfo?(tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org) on bug 1213606.
  248. # [22:33] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213606 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — crash in PLDHashTable::Remove(void const*)
  249. # [22:33] * Joins: yzen_ (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP)
  250. # [22:33] * ChanServ sets mode: +o yzen_
  251. # [22:36] * Quits: @yzen (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  252. # [22:52] * Quits: ~davidb (davidb@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Quit: Blah blah blah)
  253. # [23:01] * _6a68 is now known as _6a68|afk
  254. # [23:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1214398 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  255. # [23:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1214398 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Cursor highlight does not show up in FxOS
  256. # [23:01] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org set blocking-b2g to 2.5? on bug 1214398.
  257. # [23:10] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous.org on bug 1214398.
  258. # [23:12] <@eeejay> yzen_: i don't understand your question :)
  259. # [23:12] <@yzen_> eeejay sorry i meant, how can i reproduce it in gaia atm
  260. # [23:12] <@eeejay> the issue? it is a b2g issue. i think
  261. # [23:12] <@yzen_> eeejay yes
  262. # [23:13] <@eeejay> should be in aries nightly
  263. # [23:13] <@eeejay> it is a gecko issue, i mean
  264. # [23:17] * Quits: @yzen_ (yzen@moz-i5m.05u.207.66.IP) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  265. # [23:24] * Quits: anvk (anovak@moz-040.mvk.11.204.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  266. # [23:49] * Quits: smaug (chatzilla@moz-6kbmhh.rev.dnainternet.fi) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  267. # Session Close: Wed Oct 14 00:00:00 2015

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