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  1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 15 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:24] <@tbsaunde> joanie: remind me, other than that aria dialog did you have e10s stuff for me to look at?
  6. # [00:24] <joanie> I think so tbsaunde
  7. # [00:24] <joanie> I also think I filed bugs for them
  8. # [00:24] <joanie> value-changed events is one
  9. # [00:24] <joanie> a big one imho
  10. # [00:24] * joanie looks
  11. # [00:25] <joanie> bug 1213402
  12. # [00:25] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213402 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — No ATK/AT-SPI2 object:property-change:accessible-value events for web widgets in e10s
  13. # [00:25] <@tbsaunde> joanie: oh yeah, forgot about that, thanks :)
  14. # [00:26] <joanie> and by dialog do you mean alert? (i.e. bug 1213516)?
  15. # [00:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213516 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Missing events for ARIA alerts if e10s is enabled
  16. # [00:26] <@tbsaunde> joanie: yeah
  17. # [00:26] <joanie> ok
  18. # [00:27] <joanie> oh btw, before I got distracted the other day, I started git-bisecting the dojo index in parent bug
  19. # [00:27] <joanie> it was there before surkov's aria-owns changes
  20. # [00:28] <joanie> it might still be aria-owns related. dunno.
  21. # [00:28] <joanie> but it's broken more with e10s.
  22. # [00:29] <@tbsaunde> joanie: probably not then? maybe I'll take a look
  23. # [00:29] <joanie> well, the thing uses aria-owns
  24. # [00:29] <joanie> it was just broken before
  25. # [00:29] <joanie> ;)
  26. # [00:29] <joanie> the index in parent of -1, while it breaks Orca, might be more accurate of a value
  27. # [00:29] <joanie> because the tree is borked
  28. # [00:29] <@tbsaunde> well, the tree should have ooked different before the aria-owns stuff right?
  29. # [00:30] <joanie> I don't think so
  30. # [00:30] <@tbsaunde> huh that's not what I would expect
  31. # [00:30] <joanie> my understanding (which might be bogus) is that before those recent changes, aria-owns was exposed but didn't change the tree
  32. # [00:30] <joanie> I think what changed is the parent/child stuff
  33. # [00:31] <joanie> regardless, with an index in parent of -1 (e10s only), Orca assumes the object should not be touched and all bets are off
  34. # [00:31] <joanie> without e10s, the index and parent might be wrong, but Orca doesn't know that and thus things work ;)
  35. # [00:32] <joanie> so even if the situation is horribly complex, wrt the e10s stuff, I'd rather be lied to than told -1
  36. # [00:32] <joanie> seriously
  37. # [00:34] <joanie> (unless -1 is the new "get the parent via a relation instead of the tree" indicator. Which maybe isn't such a bad idea, but it's one Orca isn't handling atm)
  38. # [00:36] <@tbsaunde> joanie: it cetainly seems unexpected to me, and I'm not really sure why its happening
  39. # [00:37] <@tbsaunde> need to get it under a debugger, which is at the soonest a after dinner task :)
  40. # [00:37] <joanie> :)
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  59. # [09:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1215019 filed by taken.spc@gmail.com.
  60. # [09:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1215019 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Drop constructing table accessible objects for tables built by CSS display:table
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  63. # [11:56] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1213606 from --- to FIXED.
  64. # [11:56] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1213606 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  65. # [11:56] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1213606.
  66. # [11:57] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1213606 from --- to mozilla44.
  67. # [11:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213606 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — crash in PLDHashTable::Remove(void const*)
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  74. # [13:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1215019 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  75. # [13:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1215019 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  76. # [13:50] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1215019 — DUPLICATE, nobody@mozilla.org — Drop constructing table accessible objects for tables built by CSS display:table
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  99. # [15:22] <Gijs> MarcoZ: let's say I had an HTML widget which was tasked with displaying a list of 10,000 items
  100. # [15:23] <Gijs> MarcoZ: and for obvious reasons I optimized it so not all 10,000 items were in the DOM at the same time
  101. # [15:23] <Gijs> MarcoZ: is there some way to ensure that a11y APIs get the right information (maybe with choice ARIA attributes?)
  102. # [15:23] <Gijs> ie if I'm halfway through, that it doesn't say "item 5 of 20" when there are really more of them
  103. # [15:32] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: aria-setsize and aria-posinset are your friends.
  104. # [15:32] <Gijs> MarcoZ: excellent.
  105. # [15:32] <Gijs> MarcoZ: does that deal with nesting as well?
  106. # [15:33] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: If you set them correctly, it will. These are unconditional overrides where you as an author have full control over what the screen reader speaks.
  107. # [15:33] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: If they were not present, we would calculate these values from a11y objects that are present. That would take care of nesting, but it could lead to those false numbers you don't want.
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  109. # [15:35] <Gijs> MarcoZ: hrm, but I don't see a third thing besides setsize and aria-posinset to indicate the nesting - would it still determine that from the DOM tree?
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  112. # [15:39] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: That would be aria-level.
  113. # [15:42] <Gijs> ahhhh
  114. # [15:42] <Gijs> that's not in the same list as the others in http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties
  115. # [15:42] <Gijs> sigh
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  118. # [15:45] <~davidb> heyo
  119. # [15:50] <&MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  120. # [15:50] <~davidb> hi hi
  121. # [15:50] <&MarcoZ> Gijs: Feel free to file a bug against WAI-ARIA. Or ping @SteveFaulkner on Twitter about it.
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  124. # [16:01] <@yzen> davidb ah some progress on bug 1212366 :)
  125. # [16:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212366 — NEW, m_kato@ga2.so-net.ne.jp — [Aries] Phone crashes and reboots after tap-holding apps on Homescreen while using screen reader
  126. # [16:02] <~davidb> i saw the window last night...
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  128. # [16:03] <~davidb> nice
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  145. # [20:21] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1214398 from --- to FIXED.
  146. # [20:21] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1214398 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  147. # [20:21] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1214398.
  148. # [20:21] <@firebot> wkocher@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1214398 from --- to mozilla44.
  149. # [20:21] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1214398 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Cursor highlight does not show up in FxOS
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