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  79. # [08:07] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox43 to fixed on bug 1213606.
  80. # [08:07] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1213606 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — crash in PLDHashTable::Remove(void const*)
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  85. # [10:45] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(cbook@mozilla.com) on bug 1212528.
  86. # [10:45] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1212528 — FIXED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — [AccessFu] Ensure that first document ancestor is first in utterance if present in ancestry.
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  88. # [12:31] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com requested needinfo from lorien@lorienhu.com on bug 1199755.
  89. # [12:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1199755 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — Retrieve remote children correctly from non-remote mozAccessible
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  105. # [15:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(surkov.alexander@gmail.com) on bug 1206107.
  106. # [15:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1206107 — FIXED, nobody@mozilla.org — crash beginning in nightly 0916 in mozilla::a11y::Accessible::HasGenericType(mozilla::a11y::AccGener
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  116. # [15:37] <~davidb> MarcoZ, ping
  117. # [15:37] <~davidb> (about the flash email thread)
  118. # [15:37] <~davidb> (wondering if you have examples)
  119. # [15:37] <~davidb> also
  120. # [15:37] <~davidb> heyo!
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  122. # [15:53] <&MarcoZ> davidb: pong!
  123. # [15:53] <~davidb> MarcoZ, hey
  124. # [15:53] <~davidb> MarcoZ, are you caught up on the flash thread?
  125. # [15:54] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I've been thinking about this all day, and I no longer have examples. A year ago, I would have said "The Youtube video player", but that's all HTML5 now.
  126. # [15:54] <~davidb> I'm wondering if we have a config for non-sandboxed flash
  127. # [15:54] <&MarcoZ> davidb: I don't know.
  128. # [15:55] <~davidb> !seen Jamie
  129. # [15:55] <@firebot> jamie was last seen 18 days and 14 hours ago, saying 'joanie: <span onClick=";">foo</span> <span onClick=";">bar</span>' in #accessibility.
  130. # [15:55] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Let me ask on Twitter. I have no doubt some will come up with something still.
  131. # [15:56] <~davidb> MarcoZ, ok thanks, let's make sure they have updated software
  132. # [15:56] <~davidb> (FF and plugin)
  133. # [15:56] * joanie reads scrollback
  134. # [15:57] <joanie> MarcoZ and davidb: Dunno about the thread, but I think BBC's main (non-popout) player uses flash
  135. # [15:57] <~davidb> ty
  136. # [16:00] <&MarcoZ> joanie: Does it still? I thought they recently got rid of it, too. But haven't been to the BBC media library recently.
  137. # [16:01] <joanie> MarcoZ: I think so. A user recently indicated the main player wasn't working with Orca, but the popout player was. And the main player was flash. And flash a11y in linux is ... well.... /me rolls her eyes
  138. # [16:03] <~davidb> Gijs, MarcoZ, surkov, tbsaunde, anyone up for BS desktop edition today?
  139. # [16:03] <~davidb> (in 90 minutes)
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  141. # [16:03] <@surkov> what is this?
  142. # [16:04] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Haven't prepared anything, but was helping bwinto with something yesterday, and gijs has been making good progress on the main toolbar button accessibility (their names in particular).
  143. # [16:05] <Gijs> well, the ones inside the URL bar, anyway...
  144. # [16:05] <~davidb> surkov, BS == BarrierSmash
  145. # [16:05] <&MarcoZ> joanie: Hm, you don't happen to have a link still lying around from a story that has a video attached to it? I looked through some from the front page, and none seem to be with video.
  146. # [16:05] <Gijs> I don't really have anything for today either
  147. # [16:05] <joanie> MarcoZ: lemme look
  148. # [16:05] <@surkov> ah
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  151. # [16:06] <~davidb> Gijs, MarcoZ, etc, notes can go here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/BarrierSmash/Meetings/2015-10-21
  152. # [16:06] <~davidb> if you like we can skip the live meeting
  153. # [16:06] <joanie> MarcoZ: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p034162z
  154. # [16:07] <~davidb> re: BS, I'll send an invite and show up to see if anyone from the wild appears
  155. # [16:08] * joanie continues to be amused by "BS". She really should grow up and be mature some day.
  156. # [16:08] <~davidb> joanie, we call it like it is
  157. # [16:08] <joanie> :)
  158. # [16:08] <~davidb> :)
  159. # [16:09] <~davidb> I like to yell 'bullshit!' just before i smash barriers
  160. # [16:09] <joanie> you need to grow up too. We're so immature. :)
  161. # [16:10] <~davidb> there is no moment in time when a kid grows up
  162. # [16:12] <&MarcoZ> joanie: davidb: Me is proud to have saved his imaaturity. (continues giggling.)
  163. # [16:12] <&MarcoZ> joanie: Thanks, that link indeed has an accessible Flash player (well at least on Windows).
  164. # [16:13] <joanie> MarcoZ: Linux is the red-headed stepchild
  165. # [16:14] <joanie> Flash should be killed, but until it is I will be annoyed that not only does its a11y suck on linux, but they don't even maintain it any more.
  166. # [16:14] <~davidb> it is dying
  167. # [16:14] <joanie> not fast enough. someone needs to put it out of our misery
  168. # [16:16] <~davidb> iOS is helping (who would have thunk)
  169. # [16:19] <&MarcoZ> joanie: If it's any consolation: Flash isn't accessible on OS X, either, but it is maintained at least for security updates.
  170. # [16:20] <&MarcoZ> joanie: But I agree with you whole-heartedly: Flash needs to die a quick, swift, death!
  171. # [16:20] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Just replied to the thread.
  172. # [16:21] <~davidb> tbsaunde, does MOZ_CRASH crash on release?
  173. # [16:21] <~davidb> release versions
  174. # [16:21] <~davidb> MarcoZ, saw, thanks. How do we know for sure for sure you are interacting with flash?
  175. # [16:22] <~davidb> tbsaunde, i can look it up if you don't know instantly
  176. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> davidb: NVDA calls Flash an embedded object. I can press Enter on it, and the virtual buffer gets replaced with what's in that embedded object, in this case Flash.
  177. # [16:23] <&MarcoZ> davidb: And there is a keystroke that gets you out of that embedded object back into the parent document, too, I mentioned that in the reply also.
  178. # [16:24] <~davidb> yeah cool
  179. # [16:24] <&MarcoZ> davidb: And besides Flash, there is only Java that NVDA does this with. And I don't have Java installed on this machine.
  180. # [16:26] <&MarcoZ> davidb: BTW: NVDA has had this since September 2009, long before Flash even went out-of-process in mid 2010 in Firefox, and they proved to be very future-proof with this approach. it made that transition to out-of-process Flash seamlessly.
  181. # [16:26] <&MarcoZ> And NVDA was the only Windows AT that did that properly, all others are giving us headaches to this day.
  182. # [16:27] * ~davidb nods
  183. # [16:27] <~davidb> bug 93149
  184. # [16:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/93149 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — No way to move focus between plugin and browser from keyboard
  185. # [16:28] <~davidb> 2009-02-20 I thought I could fix it. So foolish I was.
  186. # [16:28] <&MarcoZ> davidb: That's why there is an NVDA keystroke for it. ;)
  187. # [16:28] <~davidb> yep
  188. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 1215657 from --- to FIXED.
  189. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 1215657 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  190. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com set status-firefox44 to fixed on bug 1215657.
  191. # [16:30] <@firebot> cbook@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 1215657 from --- to mozilla44.
  192. # [16:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1215657 — FIXED, tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org — make a bunch more of msaa work with proxied accessibles
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  194. # [16:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: it does, it just always crashes
  195. # [16:35] <~davidb> ok thanks
  196. # [16:53] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1215858 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  197. # [16:53] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1215858 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — OS X's Speak Selected Text speaks incorrect text
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  199. # [17:12] <&MarcoZ> Geez, the ReviewBoard/Bugzilla integration causes a lot of comment spam in BZ. :)
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  203. # [17:31] <@firebot> jseward@acm.org requested needinfo from surkov.alexander@gmail.com on bug 1183583.
  204. # [17:31] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1183583 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Uninitialised values somehow originating from mozilla::a11y::xpcAccessibleTable::GetSelectedRowIndic
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  208. # [18:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1217038 filed by arai.unmht@gmail.com.
  209. # [18:15] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1217038 — NEW, arai.unmht@gmail.com — Remove use of for-each from accessible/.
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  228. # [19:46] <strokehearty> Hello
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  231. # [19:56] <strokehearty> Hello guys
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  233. # [19:57] <strokehearty> Wanted to add videos in articles for Deaf to understand it in Sign Language.
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  236. # [20:03] <~davidb> strokehearty, cool! Which articles?
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  239. # [20:12] <strokehearty> important ones we can add more videos upon request..
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  242. # [20:39] <~davidb> strokehearty, did you want us to suggest articles?
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  244. # [21:03] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com requested needinfo from arai.unmht@gmail.com on bug 1217038.
  245. # [21:03] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1217038 — NEW, arai.unmht@gmail.com — Remove use of for-each from accessible/.
  246. # [21:12] <@firebot> arai.unmht@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(arai.unmht@gmail.com) on bug 1217038.
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  251. # [21:35] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org on bug 1199755.
  252. # [21:35] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1199755 — NEW, lorien@lorienhu.com — Retrieve remote children correctly from non-remote mozAccessible
  253. # [21:36] <~davidb> BTW the failed test in comment 9 points to a jsat test (cc yzen)
  254. # [21:36] <~davidb> didn't look closer than that
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  256. # [21:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb|afk: its not really related to accessfu other than those are the only test s that use e10s type stuff
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  258. # [21:54] <~davidb> interesting
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