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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jan 25 00:00:00 2016
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  17. # [13:43] <SteveF> hello people: am looking at <p hidden aria-hidden="false"> support (again) seems like it works in IE but not elsewhere, am guessing ti should be dropped as a thing, any thoughts?
  18. # [14:00] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: Anything having to do with aria-hidden should be dropped. ;-) In all seriousness: Yes, I believe this particular concept should indeed be dropped and forgotten about very very quickly.
  19. # [14:01] <SteveF> MarcoZ: hi! yeah i concur, will get working on that :-)
  20. # [14:02] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: When you say "works in IE", do you mean IE plus a particular screen reader like JAWS? Because screen readers including NVDA have to do DOM parsing in IE, with accessibility tree only being a complementary source.
  21. # [14:02] <&MarcoZ> What I'm saying is that you might even get different results in IE depending on which screen reader you test with.
  22. # [14:06] <SteveF> MarcoZ: well just checking in iOS and seems to work there too, probably works on OSX too haven't tried , give it a go yourself http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/hidden2013.html "test 5 HTML5 hidden aria-hidden=false"
  23. # [14:07] <SteveF> you should hear the message "patrick is a dickhead test 5 html5 hidden aria-hidden="false""
  24. # [14:08] <&MarcoZ> ROFLMAO! You two are too cute! :-)
  25. # [14:08] <&MarcoZ> And yes, you can tell him I said that!
  26. # [14:08] <SteveF> :-)
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  29. # [14:19] <&MarcoZ> SteveF: When this seems to work in iOS and OS X (haven't tested the latter because I am on my iPad currently), wasn't it so that aria-hidden was initially pushed by Apple to get in the spec? I am somehow not surprised they just put this in even though the spec was never clear on this use case. Creating "facts"...
  30. # [14:20] <SteveF> MarcoZ: probably, for the meoment I will recommend not using EVER and see if we can get consensus on removing implementations...
  31. # [14:21] <&MarcoZ> Good! This definitely has my support!
  32. # [14:22] * &MarcoZ really wishes we had a proper HTML5 specification of something that is hidden/inert and all questions answered re focus management etc. so we can get rid of aria-hidden hacks alltogether.
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  41. # [15:20] <~davidb> heyo
  42. # [15:21] <~davidb> let's put aria-hidden="true" on that section of the spec ;)
  43. # [15:21] <~davidb> display none et
  44. # [15:21] <~davidb> c
  45. # [15:24] <&MarcoZ> davidb: You've got my vote on that! ;-)
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  49. # [15:32] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Could my performance bug 1223826 be a dupe of Bug 1220502?
  50. # [15:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1223826 — NEW — Unordered lists with many items cause performance issues in NVDA and Firefox
  51. # [15:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1220502 — NEW — Firefox hang/delay when opening a youtube.com page, due to large list element
  52. # [15:33] <~davidb> MarcoZ: that'd be my guess
  53. # [15:34] <~davidb> MarcoZ: i wonder if we could get a regression window
  54. # [15:41] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Hmm, that would probably mean going back quite a while. I think this has been with us for some time now, nothing really recent.
  55. # [15:42] <~davidb> ok
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  60. # [15:59] <@firebot> gingerbread_man@live.com changed the Component on bug 1242470 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  61. # [15:59] <@firebot> gingerbread_man@live.com changed the Product on bug 1242470 from Firefox to Core.
  62. # [15:59] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242470 — UNCONFIRMED, nobody@mozilla.org — tab switching keyboard shortcut doesn't respect ui.key.accelkey
  63. # [16:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 690417 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  64. # [16:01] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/690417 — NEW, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — rework accessible tree update on content insertion
  65. # [16:08] <~davidb> surkov: should we make bug 690417 a dependency
  66. # [16:08] <~davidb> ?
  67. # [16:08] <@surkov> quite likely
  68. # [16:08] <~davidb> ok
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  70. # [16:11] <~davidb> MarcoZ: are we going to spread our 1:1 over the week?
  71. # [16:18] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah will probably make the most sense, don't you think? ;-)
  72. # [16:18] <~davidb> indeed
  73. # [16:18] <&MarcoZ> Unless you wanna talk now...Before yzen and I get started.
  74. # [16:19] <@yzen> MarcoZ davidb im reviewing someones patch right now so it works :)
  75. # [16:19] <~davidb> MarcoZ: sure
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  77. # [16:44] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1242558 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  78. # [16:44] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242558 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [AccessFu] Ensure jsat supports drag and drop.
  79. # [17:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1242569 filed by tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
  80. # [17:08] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242569 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — clean up CacheChildren / InvalidateChildren some
  81. # [17:10] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1242569 from nobody@mozilla.org to tbsaunde+mozbugs@tbsaunde.org.
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  88. # [17:30] <&MarcoZ> yzen: bug 977199, bug 977165, bug 977169.
  89. # [17:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/977199 — FIXED, athena — [a11y] Add aria-label to markup-view.xul
  90. # [17:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/977165 — ASSIGNED, athena — [a11y] Add aria-label to attribute names, values in markup view
  91. # [17:30] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/977169 — FIXED, athena — [a11y] focus change on container reads inspector.xul url
  92. # [17:32] <@yzen> MarcoZ bug 1152792
  93. # [17:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1152792 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [meta] Help web developers build the web for everyone
  94. # [17:40] <@yzen> bug 1242586 < MarcoZ
  95. # [17:40] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242586 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [a11y][meta] Improve accessibility of Firefox Dev Tools.
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  100. # [18:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1242616 filed by bobowen.code@gmail.com.
  101. # [18:32] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242616 — ASSIGNED, bobowen.code@gmail.com — Missing break in nsWindow.cpp WM_GETOBJECT handling.
  102. # [19:02] <&MarcoZ> yzen: Firebug accessibility documentation: http://getfirebug.com/wiki/index.php/Accessibility
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  108. # [20:24] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 1186675 from Developer Tools: ResponsiveMode to Disability Access APIs.
  109. # [20:24] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 1186675 from Firefox to Core.
  110. # [20:24] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1186675 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent leakcheck | default process: 4227963 bytes leaked (AnimationTimeline, AsyncLatencyLogge
  111. # [20:34] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com requested needinfo from dbolter@mozilla.com on bug 1087608.
  112. # [20:34] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1087608 — REOPENED, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
  113. # [20:38] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 694254 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  114. # [20:39] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 694254 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  115. # [20:39] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/694254 — WORKSFORME, surkov.alexander@gmail.com — Intermittent leak of two domwindows opened by test_focus_browserui.xul in mochitest-a11y - 1549783 b
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  117. # [20:46] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from yzenevich@mozilla.com on bug 1087608.
  118. # [20:46] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1087608 — REOPENED, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
  119. # [21:26] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 1087608 from nobody@mozilla.org to yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  120. # [21:26] <@firebot> yzenevich@mozilla.com cancelled needinfo?(yzenevich@mozilla.com) on bug 1087608.
  121. # [21:26] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1087608 — REOPENED, yzenevich@mozilla.com — Intermittent test_gesture_tracker.html | Test timed out | test_live_regions.html,test_pointer_relay.
  122. # [21:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 1242686 filed by yzenevich@mozilla.com.
  123. # [21:28] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242686 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [a11y][meta] Improve accessibility of Firefox Dev Tools Inspector.
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  127. # [22:18] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: are you doing anything interesting for dinner?
  128. # [22:20] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Depends on what you define as interesting. :-) But no, I was just probably going to eat something in the hotel restaurant.
  129. # [22:21] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: ah, fair enough, I probably wouldn't call that food interesting
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  131. # [22:23] <&MarcoZ> Hi marcysutton! :-)
  132. # [22:24] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Well as you might recall, I'm easy to please with food. :-) Did you have anything particular in mind when you asked?
  133. # [22:24] <marcysutton> Hello!!
  134. # [22:24] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: no, was ust curious ;)
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  136. # [22:25] <&MarcoZ> yzen and I were thinking of a dinner with the present team members either tomorrow night or on Thursday, but no concrete plans yet. davidb also said he can't make Thursday, so maybe tomorrow evening something exciting might happen.
  137. # [22:26] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: ^
  138. # [22:26] <marcysutton> I’m looking for info on contributing to developer tools accessibility, i’ll also ask in the devtools channel
  139. # [22:26] <&MarcoZ> marcysutton: You've come to the right place here! yzen and I were just starting to triage this today, and some bugs have already been filed.
  140. # [22:27] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1096275 from WORKSFORME to ---.
  141. # [22:27] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 1096275 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  142. # [22:27] <marcysutton> Yay! that is awesome
  143. # [22:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1096275 — REOPENED, nobody@mozilla.org — Intermittent test_virtualcursor.html | Test timed out. - expected PASS
  144. # [22:27] <&MarcoZ> marcysutton: For the inspector panel, for example, we're starting from this meta bug: bug 1242686, and branching out to dependent bugs that break the task down into smaller pieces.
  145. # [22:27] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1242686 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — [a11y][meta] Improve accessibility of Firefox Dev Tools Inspector.
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  147. # [22:33] <&MarcoZ> marcysutton: Do you still need help in getting set up to build Firefox yourself?
  148. # [22:34] <marcysutton> I think I can give it a go before asking for help, I hadn’t tried yet but have successfully built other browsers before.
  149. # [22:34] <marcysutton> Also I am so excited my new job responsibilities include this kind of stuff :D
  150. # [22:35] <&MarcoZ> marcysutton: Oh believe me, I am excited for you as well! This is really cool to have you on board in this manner!
  151. # [22:36] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: ah ok
  152. # [22:37] <marcysutton> Thanks Marco!
  153. # [22:38] <~davidb> ditto, congrats marcysutton! win win
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  156. # [22:57] <&MarcoZ> surkov: Have you run the patch for bug 1220502 through the profiler? I just built with the patch and am actually not sure if it makes things faster with my use cases. And I was wondering whether I should see a performance increase.
  157. # [22:57] <@firebot> https://bugzil.la/1220502 — NEW, nobody@mozilla.org — Firefox hang/delay when opening a youtube.com page, due to large list element
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  159. # [22:59] <&MarcoZ> Oops hope I didn't scare him away with my question. ;)
  160. # [23:01] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: well, hopefully the youtube thing is at least faster, but I have no idea if it actually is
  161. # [23:02] <&MarcoZ> tbsaunde: From my testing with IRCCloud at least, when switching to the #developers channel with its several hundred members, I experienced a similar slow-down as before.
  162. # [23:11] * @tbsaunde shrugs
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  164. # [23:13] <&MarcoZ> davidb: Were you just trying to call me at the hotel?
  165. # [23:17] <~davidb> nope
  166. # [23:18] <~davidb> MarcoZ
  167. # [23:18] <&MarcoZ> davidb: OK! There was a call from an outside line, but when I picked it up, the other end dropped the line.
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