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  31. # [17:47] <fantasai> jdaggett: are you up early, up late, or not in Japan atm? :)
  32. # [17:47] <jdaggett> i'm in calif this week
  33. # [17:47] <jdaggett> so normal time ;)
  34. # [17:47] <fantasai> heh
  35. # [17:48] <jdaggett> thanks for the info yesterday
  36. # [17:48] <fantasai> np
  37. # [17:48] <fantasai> I know roc's visiting; is bz there, too?
  38. # [17:48] <jdaggett> i don't think so
  39. # [17:49] <jdaggett> i've never met him
  40. # [17:49] <jdaggett> so not quite sure...
  41. # [17:49] <jdaggett> lots of new zealanders though
  42. # [17:50] <fantasai> heh
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  49. # [18:03] <plinss> zakim, this is style
  50. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, plinss; that matches Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
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  53. # [18:04] <Zakim> +jason_cranfordtea
  54. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  55. # [18:05] <dsinger> dsinger <- Apple
  56. # [18:05] <plinss> zakim, who is here?
  57. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, +1.408.398.aaaa, [Mozilla], Ming, +1.408.594.aabb, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft]
  58. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see jason_cranfordtea, dsinger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ming, George, plinss, jdaggett, krijnh, Hixie, fantasai, trackbot-ng, hsivonen, Bert
  59. # [18:05] <Zakim> +fantasai
  60. # [18:06] <dsinger> dsinger also on the phone (408 398 aaaa)
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  62. # [18:06] <plinss> zakim, +1.408.398 is dsinger
  63. # [18:07] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  64. # [18:07] <Zakim> +David_Baron
  65. # [18:07] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  66. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, dsinger, [Mozilla], Ming, +1.408.594.aabb, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft], fantasai, David_Baron
  67. # [18:08] <Ming> scribernick Ming
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  69. # [18:09] <fantasai> ScribeNick: Ming
  70. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P11
  71. # [18:09] <plinss> http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/2008/draft-charter2.html
  72. # [18:09] <Ming> topic 1, CSS WG charter
  73. # [18:09] <George> Zakim, ??P11 is me
  74. # [18:09] <Zakim> +George; got it
  75. # [18:09] <Ming> peter: any comments or feedbacks?
  76. # [18:10] <Ming> peter: need everyone to read and send in comments asap
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  78. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  79. # [18:10] <Ming> peter: module priority list, any feedback?
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  81. # [18:10] <fantasai> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008AprJun/0165.html
  82. # [18:10] <Zakim> +SteveZ
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  84. # [18:11] * alexmog [Microsoft.a] is alex
  85. # [18:11] <Ming> jason: revewing the list with AOL W3C group and will get you (peter) the feedbacks soon
  86. # [18:11] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  87. # [18:11] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jason_cranfordtea (81%), SteveZ (9%)
  88. # [18:11] <Ming> Topic: transition request: CSS snapshot
  89. # [18:11] <Ming> peter: ready to go last call?
  90. # [18:12] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  91. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, dsinger, [Mozilla], Ming, +1.408.594.aabb, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft], fantasai, David_Baron, George, [Microsoft.a], SteveZ
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  93. # [18:12] <dbaron> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] has alexmog
  94. # [18:12] <Zakim> +alexmog; got it
  95. # [18:12] <Ming> peter: no comments from the group?
  96. # [18:12] <dbaron> Zakim, +1.408.594.aabb is Timothy_Hatcher
  97. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Timothy_Hatcher; got it
  98. # [18:13] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has John_Daggett
  99. # [18:13] <Zakim> +John_Daggett; got it
  100. # [18:13] <Ming> fantasai: is getting Olivia to review the draft; already got his comments in.
  101. # [18:13] * timothy is Timothy Hatcher
  102. # [18:13] <fantasai> s/Olivia/Olivier/
  103. # [18:13] * dbaron Zakim, who is on the phone?
  104. # [18:13] <Ming> peter: resolution: move to LC?
  105. # [18:13] * Zakim sees on the phone: plinss, dsinger, [Mozilla], Ming, Timothy_Hatcher, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft], fantasai, David_Baron, George, [Microsoft.a], SteveZ
  106. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has alexmog
  107. # [18:13] * Zakim [Mozilla] has John_Daggett
  108. # [18:13] <fantasai> RESOLVED: CSS 2007 Snapshot to Last Call
  109. # [18:13] <Ming> peter: no objection, so this is resolved (i.e. move to LC)
  110. # [18:14] <Ming> Topic: scope of www-style mailing list, from fantasai
  111. # [18:14] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008AprJun/0005.html
  112. # [18:14] <Ming> peter: a proposal to change the description of the mailing list
  113. # [18:15] <Ming> Jason: what's the philosophy of the list?
  114. # [18:15] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/
  115. # [18:15] <Ming> Jason: you may mean, development of CSS, but someone may interpret it as development in CSS.
  116. # [18:15] <Ming> fantasai: there is a paragraph stating that no how-to question in the mailing list
  117. # [18:16] <Ming> jason: rewording: this (the discussion on the mailing list) must be about the development of CSS specification itself
  118. # [18:17] <Ming> jason: concern about the "technical" subjects, as this may exclude ideas that does not consider as technical
  119. # [18:17] <Ming> fantasai: want ideas have some technical merit. may have another forum for the "non-technical" ideas
  120. # [18:19] <Ming> Steve: why say "the development of CSS"?
  121. # [18:19] <Ming> fantasai: about the development of CSS spec
  122. # [18:19] <dsinger> how about "the work of the CSS WG" (more than development, less than everything)
  123. # [18:19] <Ming> David B: this could open up a lot of how-to questions.
  124. # [18:19] <Ming> steve: just leave it as is
  125. # [18:20] <Ming> David B: not feel strongly either
  126. # [18:20] <fantasai> Jason: s/CSS itself/the CSS specification itself/
  127. # [18:21] <Ming> Jason: re-read it; as a designer, I would consider the work as how-to-get-it-work. would think it is technical
  128. # [18:21] <Ming> fantasai: change to development of CSS specification
  129. # [18:21] <fantasai> RESOLVED: adopt proposed wording with Jason's change
  130. # [18:21] <Ming> peter: ok. are you (elika) to change it
  131. # [18:21] <Ming> fantasai: no access to make the change
  132. # [18:21] <Ming> peter: action item for Bert
  133. # [18:22] <plinss> action: fantasai to write final wording for www-style description, get Bert to post
  134. # [18:22] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  135. # [18:22] * RRSAgent records action 1
  136. # [18:22] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-60 - Write final wording for www-style description, get Bert to post [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-05-14].
  137. # [18:22] <Ming> Topic: CSS fonts, by Jason (and John)
  138. # [18:22] <Ming> Jason: about the direction of web fonts, in the last two weeks
  139. # [18:22] <Ming> jason: have some working draft
  140. # [18:23] <Ming> jason: contact Chris Lilley about CSS web-font module under SVG
  141. # [18:23] <Ming> jason: no response so far from Chris; the intent is to bring it back
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  143. # [18:23] * fantasai ming, I'm going to steal scribe
  144. # [18:24] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  145. # [18:24] <Ming> John: font spec, completely depending on web font, now
  146. # [18:24] <Ming> john: need to bring the spec back under CSS
  147. # [18:24] <fantasai> John: The way CSS Fonts works, the definition of new font properties that affect font selection needs changes to the font selection algorithm
  148. # [18:24] <Ming> john: if CHris has a grand idea, would talk to him and bring his idea in
  149. # [18:24] <fantasai> ScribeNick: Ming
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  151. # [18:24] <Ming> john: keep everything under font spec
  152. # [18:25] <Ming> steve: why would strip all font specs into one
  153. # [18:25] <fantasai> John: The fonts spec was very big, so split into two modules.
  154. # [18:26] <Ming> john: too large; font synthen. matching; font weight, font stretching, ..., should be striped down into one spec
  155. # [18:26] <fantasai> John: The font selection part -- Web Fonts -- is only about 20% implemented
  156. # [18:26] <Ming> steve: soudns plausible
  157. # [18:26] <fantasai> John: If we strip out the extended functionality we can put them back together
  158. # [18:26] <Ming> john: there are several font algorithms; not many implementing these. no plan. would like to learn from Chris
  159. # [18:27] <Ming> john: no sure anyone doing anything in SVG WG. seem to be mainly Chris' undertaking there.
  160. # [18:27] <fantasai> Jason, John: have sent Chris mail, but gotten no response
  161. # [18:28] <Ming> peter: will call in hyper text meeting and try to get a hold of Chris
  162. # [18:28] <Ming> peter: sounds reasonable to bring this under CSS WG
  163. # [18:28] <fantasai> Peter: If there is advanced functionality the SVG needs, maybe that can be done in the next level
  164. # [18:28] <Ming> peter: AI: peter to contact Chris
  165. # [18:29] <Ming> jason: should we proceed as if this is done (i.e. got ok from Chris)
  166. # [18:29] <fantasai> ACTION: Peter contact Chris about CSS3 WEb Fonts spec
  167. # [18:29] * trackbot-ng noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  168. # [18:29] * RRSAgent records action 2
  169. # [18:29] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-61 - Contact Chris about CSS3 WEb Fonts spec [on Peter Linss - due 2008-05-14].
  170. # [18:29] <Ming> jason: want to bring working draft to UK face-to-face meeting for discussion
  171. # [18:29] <Ming> john: sounds fine.
  172. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: should find out if Chris has made any edits to his copy first, to incorporate those or at least evaluate them
  173. # [18:31] <Ming> steve: need to take a look at XSL section 7.9 (font selection based on CSS 2)
  174. # [18:31] <Ming> steve: may not have the property you are working on
  175. # [18:31] <Ming> john: will review that section
  176. # [18:32] <Ming> Topic: Logo design competition and creative spec
  177. # [18:32] <Ming> jason: reworded keywords
  178. # [18:32] <Ming> jason: have the big idea, highlevel of what we want to do
  179. # [18:33] <Ming> jason: Logo and brand identity to be worked on at the same time
  180. # [18:33] <Ming> jason: got feedbacks from Bert
  181. # [18:33] <Ming> jason: need to have basic rules, such as copyrights under W3C
  182. # [18:33] <Ming> jason: who in W3C should I contact to review this document
  183. # [18:33] <Ming> steve: ian
  184. # [18:33] <dbaron> Ian Jacobs, ij@w3.org
  185. # [18:34] <Ming> david singer: should be registered as trademark
  186. # [18:34] <Ming> jason: excellent idea; any feedbacks on rules, send to jason
  187. # [18:34] <plinss> s/registered/registerable/
  188. # [18:35] <Ming> fantasai: done with CSS
  189. # [18:35] <Ming> fantasai: not sure can be done
  190. # [18:35] <fantasai> s/can/should/
  191. # [18:35] <Ming> jason: a challenge; want to see if it can be done completely with CSS
  192. # [18:35] <Ming> jason: not a requirement
  193. # [18:36] <Ming> tim : would limit the inputs
  194. # [18:36] <Ming> jason: might roll this challenge into a different area
  195. # [18:37] <Ming> jason: font logo to be scalable, which means vector
  196. # [18:37] <Ming> tim: different logos for diff sizes.
  197. # [18:37] <Ming> jason: 16x16, also have option for them to tweak
  198. # [18:37] <Ming> tim: 128x128 (mac?)
  199. # [18:38] <Ming> jason: find it on my mac
  200. # [18:38] <Ming> david S: 512x512 on leopard
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  203. # [18:39] <Ming> jason: these are arbitary at this moment;
  204. # [18:39] <Ming> fantasai: so few pixels, a lot of logos are using bitmap
  205. # [18:39] <Zakim> + +1.281.419.aacc
  206. # [18:39] <hyatt> (that was me who just joined)
  207. # [18:39] <Ming> jason: this version could use bitmap
  208. # [18:40] <dbaron> Zakim, +1.281.419.aacc is hyatt
  209. # [18:40] <Zakim> +hyatt; got it
  210. # [18:40] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  211. # [18:40] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, dsinger, [Mozilla], Ming, Timothy_Hatcher, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft], fantasai, David_Baron, George, [Microsoft.a], SteveZ, hyatt
  212. # [18:40] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has alexmog
  213. # [18:40] <Zakim> [Mozilla] has John_Daggett
  214. # [18:40] <Ming> fantasai/tim: vector version and bitmap version are acceptable
  215. # [18:40] <Ming> fantasai: vector AND 1 or more bitmaps
  216. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: Icon should require vector image + one or more bitmaps
  217. # [18:41] <Ming> ??: button version?
  218. # [18:41] <Ming> jason: make the button look better or nicer
  219. # [18:41] <plinss> s/??/SteveZ/
  220. # [18:41] <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Buttons/
  221. # [18:42] <Ming> steve: associate the text with the logo; should spell it out if there is any issue with sizes.
  222. # [18:42] <Ming> david: who retain the ownership?
  223. # [18:42] <Ming> jason: some mention under the basic rules
  224. # [18:43] <Ming> steve: any submission must include the transfer of copyright;
  225. # [18:43] <Ming> steve: has copyright is the first q.
  226. # [18:43] <dbaron> (That "David" line wasn't me; I thought it was Tim rather than David S, but not sure.)
  227. # [18:43] <Ming> jason: meta-question: who can participate
  228. # [18:43] <Ming> jason: AOL?
  229. # [18:43] <Ming> steve: depends on who will judge
  230. # [18:44] <Ming> steve: assuming CSS WG is doing the judging, then can't judge their own company's submission
  231. # [18:44] <Ming> fantasai: anonymous maybe?
  232. # [18:44] <timothy> dbaron: it was me
  233. # [18:45] <Ming> jason: could do that, but not guarantee
  234. # [18:45] <Ming> steve: who need to be satisfied with the result? they re the ones to vote
  235. # [18:45] <Ming> jason: anyone who use CSS
  236. # [18:45] <Ming> fantasai: some combination
  237. # [18:46] <Ming> fantasai: if the numbers of submission is large, may use online voting
  238. # [18:46] * dbaron wonders if all the details here need to be discussed on a telecon
  239. # [18:46] * dbaron is suggesting the answer might be no
  240. # [18:46] <Ming> jason; could do that, or let whole W3C vote
  241. # [18:47] <Ming> ??: get public opinion on the submission
  242. # [18:47] <Ming> fantasai/steve: narrow them down
  243. # [18:47] <timothy> Ming: that was me suggestion a public opinion
  244. # [18:47] <Ming> steve: consider public opinion, but not use the most populare ones
  245. # [18:47] <fantasai> s/not use/not necessarily/
  246. # [18:48] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  247. # [18:48] <fantasai> The suggestion was to use online voting to narrow the field down to, say, 10 options
  248. # [18:48] <Ming> steve: company choose it, but not the designer choose; broad range of designer competency.
  249. # [18:48] <Ming> jason: invited designer experts
  250. # [18:48] <fantasai> And then we select from those 10
  251. # [18:49] <fantasai> That gives the WG the ability to pick a design other than the most popular
  252. # [18:49] <Ming> jason: also get more attention to the competition as well, not just internal
  253. # [18:49] <Ming> MING: thanks, Tim!
  254. # [18:49] <fantasai> in case there are concerns about the design, or concerns about the voting proces
  255. # [18:49] <fantasai> or a strong opinion in favor of another design
  256. # [18:49] <fantasai> etc.
  257. # [18:50] <Ming> steve: want to encourage professional designers to participate, so need to handle prof. judges appropriately
  258. # [18:50] <Ming> jason: understand; prof. designer would design according to the merit of the logo, not their own preference.
  259. # [18:50] <Ming> steve: three steps process
  260. # [18:51] <Ming> steve: public: 10, prof judge: 5, WG: final
  261. # [18:51] <dsinger> step 1 is rule compliance (and suitability)
  262. # [18:51] <Ming> jason: 1. get all the submission
  263. # [18:51] <Ming> jason: 2. we (WG) filter out
  264. # [18:51] <Ming> jason: 3. online voting
  265. # [18:52] <fantasai> (filter out unacceptable submissions)
  266. # [18:52] <Ming> jason: 4. top 10 go for final run
  267. # [18:52] <Ming> jason: online voting to 10
  268. # [18:53] <Ming> steve: ok, still not sure about designers making the choice
  269. # [18:53] <Ming> jason: should we have a reward for the winner?
  270. # [18:54] <Ming> jason: design related prizes
  271. # [18:54] <Ming> steve: donated prizes (t-shirts) from member companies
  272. # [18:54] <Ming> david s: will find out the rules related to that, from my company, Apple
  273. # [18:55] <Ming> arron: will do the same thing
  274. # [18:56] <Ming> jason: this is great. will also get more buzz and attract more attention.
  275. # [18:56] * Parts: anne (annevk@86.47.129.77)
  276. # [18:56] <Ming> tim: well, designers should already have ps cs
  277. # [18:56] <Ming> peter: some public credit to the winner
  278. # [18:57] <Ming> steve: ian should also announce the comptetition on W3C home page
  279. # [18:58] <Ming> jason: will run AOL designer blog(?), and will also have announcement at W3C home page.
  280. # [18:58] <Ming> jason: creative theme, rules, and get it started
  281. # [18:58] <Ming> fantasai: get the website up asap
  282. # [18:59] <Ming> jason: no later than end of May
  283. # [18:59] <Ming> jason: website, main CSS (public facing site)
  284. # [18:59] <Ming> jason: at this moment, min design
  285. # [18:59] * Joins: glazou (daniel@90.2.53.130)
  286. # [19:00] <Ming> jason: will later apply the results of competition
  287. # [19:00] * glazou is sorry, could not join earlier
  288. # [19:00] <Ming> fantasai: working on the staging sites
  289. # [19:00] <Ming> jason: right now, hosted on my own server
  290. # [19:00] <Ming> jason: using PHP, peter?
  291. # [19:01] <Ming> fantasai: yse, PHP, but don't want to take a perf hit
  292. # [19:01] <Ming> fantasi: could switch to server side included
  293. # [19:01] <Ming> jason: will take a look (think in the page title: dynamic)
  294. # [19:02] <Ming> steve: clarification: if Apple/MS/Adobe donate awards, will they be listed as sponsor as well?
  295. # [19:02] <Ming> jason: yes.
  296. # [19:02] <Ming> peter: meeting adjourne
  297. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Timothy_Hatcher
  298. # [19:03] <Zakim> -jason_cranfordtea
  299. # [19:03] <Zakim> -dsinger
  300. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  301. # [19:03] <Zakim> -hyatt
  302. # [19:03] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  303. # [19:03] <Zakim> -George
  304. # [19:03] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  305. # [19:03] <Zakim> -fantasai
  306. # [19:03] <Zakim> -plinss
  307. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Ming
  308. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  309. # [19:03] * Quits: jason_cranfordtea (jason_cran@64.236.128.9) (Quit: jason_cranfordtea)
  310. # [19:03] <glazou> seems I came in for the last minute eh
  311. # [19:03] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  312. # [19:03] <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, +1.408.398.aaaa, Ming, jason_cranfordtea, [Microsoft], fantasai, dsinger, David_Baron, George, SteveZ, alexmog, Timothy_Hatcher, John_Daggett, hyatt
  313. # [19:03] <glazou> plinss: sorry, I really could not join earlier
  314. # [19:04] <glazou> hyatt: glad you made it
  315. # [19:04] * Parts: dsinger (dsinger@68.126.214.167)
  316. # [19:04] * Parts: George (giorgic@84.215.42.108)
  317. # [19:06] * fantasai suspects hyatt is not so glad he made it, since the last half of the meeting was totally non-technical
  318. # [19:10] <glazou> fantasai: nobody has interest in 100% of CSS WG topics
  319. # [19:14] * dbaron agrees with fantasai, and already sent email to plinss and glazou
  320. # [19:14] <Ming> RRSAgent, make minutes
  321. # [19:14] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-css-minutes.html Ming
  322. # [19:15] <hyatt> shrug
  323. # [19:15] <hyatt> i don't mind
  324. # [19:16] <glazou> hi hyatt
  325. # [19:16] <glazou> and dbaron
  326. # [19:17] <glazou> dbaron: if I recall correctly, nobody sent a technical item to be added to the agenda
  327. # [19:27] <Ming> exit
  328. # [19:27] * Quits: Ming (ming.gao@15.243.169.72) (Quit: Ming)
  329. # [19:36] <hyatt> are percentages supposed to work on top/bottom for relatively positioned objects when the containing block's height is auto
  330. # [19:36] <hyatt> i think they should not, but i can find no text that makes this clear
  331. # [19:36] <hyatt> the closest i can find is 10.5, talking about the height property
  332. # [19:37] <hyatt> which makes it clear that a percentage on the height property wouldn't work for relative psitioned objects
  333. # [19:37] <hyatt> but says nothing about top/bottom
  334. # [19:37] <hyatt> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18542
  335. # [19:38] <hyatt> i'm inclined to say that it should not, given that relative positioning affects overflow
  336. # [19:38] <hyatt> but i don't think the spec is making this clear
  337. # [19:41] * Quits: dbaron (dbaron@67.160.251.228) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  338. # [19:45] * Quits: timothy (timothy@17.203.14.164) (Quit: Get Colloquy! http://colloquy.info)
  339. # [19:45] <fantasai> hyatt: email www-style
  340. # [19:45] * fantasai can't track CSS2.1 issues in IRC
  341. # [19:46] <hyatt> oh i was just curious if someone already knew the answer
  342. # [19:46] <hyatt> or if i wasj ust missing some text somewhere
  343. # [19:46] * hyatt kind of hates www-style :)
  344. # [19:46] * hyatt preferred the old days of w3c-css-wg.:)
  345. # [19:50] * hyatt is now known as hyattLunch
  346. # [19:55] * glazou agrees with hyattLunch
  347. # [20:01] * glazou goes away for dinner, bye people
  348. # [20:01] * Quits: glazou (daniel@90.2.53.130) (Quit: dinner time in europe)
  349. # [20:06] * hyattLunch is now known as dhyatt
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  354. # [21:07] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
  355. # [21:07] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30)
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