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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 23 00:00:00 2008
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  11. # [13:28] <glazou> hi
  12. # [13:28] <glazou> jdaggett: ping
  13. # [13:30] <glazou> brb
  14. # [13:47] <glazou> back
  15. # [14:08] <Bert> Glazou, ChrisL told me the SVG WG wants a Web Fonts spec that not just defines the CSS syntax for Web Fonts but also the SVG (i.e., XML-based) one, because SVG needs both and needs them to be the same.
  16. # [14:10] <glazou> yes Bert, chrisl called me
  17. # [14:10] <Bert> Ah, good.
  18. # [14:10] <glazou> that means we need a cross-wg spec
  19. # [14:10] <glazou> proposition is one spec from both svg and css wg with chrisl and jdaggett as co-editors
  20. # [14:10] <glazou> proposal
  21. # [14:11] <glazou> I think it makes sense
  22. # [14:11] <glazou> we have little interest in the xml serialization
  23. # [14:11] <glazou> they have little interest in css serialization
  24. # [14:11] <glazou> and we need to sync
  25. # [14:12] <Bert> OK, with John as co-editor we have more ways of moving the spec forward, indeed.
  26. # [14:12] <glazou> exactly
  27. # [14:12] <glazou> releasing the spec to the public will require agreement from both WGs but that's a minor constraint
  28. # [14:14] <Bert> Right, at worst that takes one week more.
  29. # [14:16] <glazou> yep
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  32. # [15:42] <glazou> hi jdaggett_
  33. # [15:42] <jdaggett_> hi there
  34. # [15:43] <glazou> please see http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20080523
  35. # [15:43] <glazou> we discussed web fonts with chrisl
  36. # [15:45] <jdaggett_> ah, yes
  37. # [15:45] <glazou> so the spec would be in the list of deliverables of both groups
  38. # [15:45] <jdaggett_> doug schepers told me the same thing
  39. # [15:45] <glazou> managed by both groups
  40. # [15:45] <glazou> is that ok for you?
  41. # [15:45] <jdaggett_> i guess it really depends upon the scope of the spec
  42. # [15:46] <glazou> explain pls
  43. # [15:46] <jdaggett_> if we're trying to redo css2
  44. # [15:46] <jdaggett_> i don't think that matches anyone's plans or desires
  45. # [15:48] <jdaggett_> do you understand
  46. # [15:48] <glazou> svg fonts and fonts download is already widely implemented
  47. # [15:48] <glazou> they go far beyond css2 right ?
  48. # [15:48] <jdaggett_> the svg spec duplicates a lot of css2
  49. # [15:48] <jdaggett_> but no one implements those parts
  50. # [15:48] <jdaggett_> as far as i know
  51. # [15:49] <jdaggett_> basically the intelligent font matching parts
  52. # [15:49] <jdaggett_> matching fonts based on font characteristics
  53. # [15:50] <jdaggett_> like panose values, x-heights, yadda, yadda
  54. # [15:50] <glazou> yeah I have no idea if that part is implemented
  55. # [15:52] <glazou> so you think a joint work will not preserve this font matching algo that's not implemented ?
  56. # [15:53] <glazou> will preserve sorry
  57. # [15:53] <jdaggett_> i don't know
  58. # [15:53] <jdaggett_> i haven't heard what chris is thinking about this
  59. # [15:54] <jdaggett_> jason and i both sent mail
  60. # [15:54] <glazou> if a feature is not implemented it will never pass the PR requirements anyway
  61. # [15:54] <jdaggett_> true
  62. # [15:54] <glazou> so risk is limited
  63. # [15:54] <jdaggett_> the font matching algorithm
  64. # [15:54] <jdaggett_> how font properties match a given font face
  65. # [15:55] <jdaggett_> gets *very* complicated with that stuff in there
  66. # [15:56] <glazou> yes
  67. # [15:56] <jdaggett_> and i looked at the xsl spec
  68. # [15:56] <jdaggett_> they basically do just css 2.1 font matching
  69. # [15:57] <jdaggett_> with a couple xsl-only features
  70. # [15:57] <jdaggett_> related to the font matching algorithm
  71. # [16:00] <jdaggett_> like 'font-selection-strategy'
  72. # [16:00] <glazou> I think this is a web fonts strategy discussion you should have with chrisl
  73. # [16:01] <jdaggett_> well, i can definitely see the css fonts spec is duped in these other places
  74. # [16:02] <jdaggett_> are you in sophia now?
  75. # [16:02] <glazou> so that's advocating again for CSS WG handling that part and the others referring to it ?
  76. # [16:02] <glazou> jdaggett_: nope, at the office, near Paris
  77. # [16:02] <glazou> I have a w3c conf call now bbl
  78. # [16:03] <jdaggett_> ok
  79. # [16:18] <glazou> chrisl is not interested in unimplemented font matching descriptors
  80. # [16:18] <glazou> SVG WG chairs agree on the proposal
  81. # [16:19] <glazou> fonts become a joint effort
  82. # [16:19] <glazou> with chrisl and jdaggett_ as co-editors
  83. # [16:20] <jdaggett_> ok
  84. # [16:20] <jdaggett_> could you ask him to look over the rough draft
  85. # [16:20] <glazou> nope, that's your task now :)
  86. # [16:20] <jdaggett_> heh
  87. # [16:20] <jdaggett_> ok
  88. # [16:20] <jdaggett_> what is the best way to contact him?
  89. # [16:20] <glazou> mail
  90. # [16:21] <glazou> chris@w3.org
  91. # [16:21] <glazou> BTW
  92. # [16:21] <jdaggett_> ok, i'll try again
  93. # [16:21] <glazou> please copy Jason Teague too
  94. # [16:21] <glazou> he wanted to be editor
  95. # [16:21] <jdaggett_> ok
  96. # [16:21] <glazou> thx
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  103. # [20:06] <Bert> css3-namespace has been published as CR.
  104. # [20:06] <Bert> Next will be css-mobile.
  105. # [20:06] <Bert> In July, unless too many required people are on holiday.
  106. # [20:07] <sharovatov> wow!
  107. # [20:07] * sharovatov is opening w3 to read
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  110. # [23:47] <anne> we should still fix the http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-namespaces/ alias
  111. # [23:48] <fantasai> let's just ask for a redirect
  112. # [23:48] <anne> well yeah
  113. # [23:51] <fantasai> do we just send a request to sysreq?
  114. # [23:52] <anne> i think we need to cc CL or maybe IJ in the request
  115. # [23:52] <anne> as it's "squatting" a name
  116. # [23:53] <fantasai> technically, but nobody's going to use css3-namespaces if css3-namespace is already taken :)
  117. # [23:54] <anne> oh, i agree, i'm just a bit sensitive with own initiatives within the context of the CSS WG
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