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  15. # [15:15] <anne> alright, made some minor changes to mediaqueries
  16. # [15:15] <anne> hopefully it's done now
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  23. # [21:11] <fantasai> anne: did you check in your media queries changes? I'm not seeing any of the fixes from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Apr/0457.html
  24. # [21:13] <anne> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/csswg/css3-mediaqueries/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18&f=h
  25. # [21:13] <fantasai> no, you didn't fix the problems there
  26. # [21:14] <fantasai> reread my message
  27. # [21:14] <fantasai> the "height of the output device" is irrelevant
  28. # [21:14] <fantasai> nobody cares how big the printer is
  29. # [21:14] <anne> i did
  30. # [21:14] <fantasai> only what size paper it's printing on
  31. # [21:14] <anne> the output device is the paper in that case
  32. # [21:15] <fantasai> the definition you want for device-width/height is
  33. # [21:15] <anne> actually, that does indeed not make much sense
  34. # [21:15] <fantasai> "the width/height of the rendering surface of the output device"
  35. # [21:15] <fantasai> which is currently the description for width/height
  36. # [21:16] <anne> CSS stuff doesn't render outside the browser viewport so that doesn't make sense either
  37. # [21:16] <fantasai> but which, afaict, matches much better the idea of "the entire screen"
  38. # [21:16] <fantasai> or the entire sheet of paper
  39. # [21:16] <fantasai> you're talking about the output device, not the output buffer
  40. # [21:17] <fantasai> I interpret the "device" as being the physical thing
  41. # [21:17] <fantasai> not the window
  42. # [21:17] <fantasai> or application
  43. # [21:17] <fantasai> or whatever
  44. # [21:18] <fantasai> see Melinda's suggested wording
  45. # [21:18] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jun/0009.html
  46. # [21:18] <anne> i did
  47. # [21:18] <fantasai> "height of the targetted display area of the output device" i.e. viewport / page box
  48. # [21:18] <anne> see above for why i think that doesn't work
  49. # [21:19] <anne> there should be some CSS wide definitions for this
  50. # [21:19] <fantasai> your argument doesn't make any sense to me
  51. # [21:19] <anne> or Web wide
  52. # [21:19] <fantasai> "CSS stuff doesn't render outside the browser viewport"
  53. # [21:19] <fantasai> has nothing to do with whether you can query information about the size of the screen
  54. # [21:19] <anne> talking about rendering surface and not meaning CSS rendering is confusing I think
  55. # [21:20] <fantasai> this isn't a CSS module
  56. # [21:20] <fantasai> it's Media Queries
  57. # [21:20] <anne> that doesn't stop it from being confusing
  58. # [21:20] <anne> it's a Web spec
  59. # [21:21] <fantasai> it's the "rendering surface of the output /device/", Anne
  60. # [21:21] <fantasai> not the CSS software
  61. # [21:21] <fantasai> or the layout engine
  62. # [21:21] <fantasai> I don't see how that is confusing, it is very explicit
  63. # [21:21] <fantasai> unless you have a different interpretation of "device" than I do
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