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- # [02:47] <jdaggett> dbaron: ping
- # [02:49] <dbaron> jdaggett, pong
- # [02:49] <jdaggett> hey
- # [02:49] <jdaggett> i'm wondering about the format of strings in situations like
- # [02:49] <jdaggett> src: local(Arial)
- # [02:50] <jdaggett> or
- # [02:50] <jdaggett> src: url(doc.svg#font) format(svg)
- # [02:50] <jdaggett> do we need wording in the spec
- # [02:50] <jdaggett> to say that quotes are optional/allowed?
- # [02:51] <dbaron> probably
- # [02:51] <dbaron> I think that wording already exists for url()
- # [02:51] <jdaggett> yeah, i saw that in the syntax module
- # [02:51] <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#uri
- # [02:51] <jdaggett> right
- # [02:51] <jdaggett> so erik with the svg wg
- # [02:52] <jdaggett> posted a msg to the css wg about this
- # [02:52] <jdaggett> not quite sure how to respond
- # [02:52] <jdaggett> open a new issue in tracker?
- # [02:52] <dbaron> I have no idea what the current issue tracking mechanism is for different specs...
- # [02:53] <dbaron> The message wasn't in the last week, was it?
- # [02:53] <dbaron> because I don't see one in my vacation mail pile?
- # [02:53] <jdaggett> week before
- # [02:53] <jdaggett> search archives for erik dahlstrom
- # [02:55] <dbaron> yeah
- # [02:55] <dbaron> the string-optional thing really requires its own token in the tokenization
- # [02:55] <dbaron> which is a bit of a pain
- # [02:55] <dbaron> well, it does if the contents can be more than what's allowed by keyword
- # [02:56] <jdaggett> well, the contents of format() are known
- # [02:56] <dbaron> also need to be careful with format(svg) == format( svg ) == format("svg") != format(" svg "), assuming that's the behavior we want
- # [02:57] <jdaggett> mmm, bloody edge cases...
- # [02:57] <dbaron> [not the last item] == format( "svg" )
- # [02:57] <dbaron> I *think* that's the behavior for url(), although I'm not actually sure...
- # [02:57] <jdaggett> the contents of local() can be anything though...
- # [03:01] <fantasai> dbaron: issue tracking for specs is whatever the spec editors are using
- # [03:02] <fantasai> dbaron: I think the expectation is that everything will move to tracker
- # [03:04] <fantasai> dbaron: but I've decided to keep using the wiki for CSS2.1 because it's much easier for me to track Bert's edits that way
- # [03:04] <fantasai> Tracker doesn't have enough statuses
- # [03:06] <jdaggett> fantasai: so i'd like to answer erik's webfonts src syntax question
- # [03:06] <jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jun/0199.html
- # [03:06] <jdaggett> but i think this should be discussed in the wg
- # [03:06] <jdaggett> before i respond
- # [03:06] <fantasai> ok
- # [03:06] <fantasai> email plinss
- # [03:06] <jdaggett> since the spec is under revision
- # [03:07] <jdaggett> ok
- # [03:07] <fantasai> he can add it to the agenda
- # [03:07] <fantasai> you can submit the issue to the tracker at http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/
- # [03:08] <fantasai> you should include all revelant information
- # [03:08] <fantasai> such as whether format()'s arguments are a fixed set
- # [03:08] <fantasai> and what other functional items might have the same problem
- # [03:09] <jdaggett> yeah, i think the same issue exists for local()
- # [03:09] * fantasai notes that the 2.0 spec says it must be quoted
- # [03:10] <jdaggett> which seems a tad inconsistent
- # [03:10] <jdaggett> given that url's don't need to be
- # [03:10] <fantasai> urls, as dbaron noted, have special wording
- # [03:11] <fantasai> that explains in what cases they don't need to be and how they're parsed when they aren't quoted
- # [03:11] <fantasai> even so
- # [03:11] <fantasai> implementations don't implement it right
- # [03:11] <fantasai> there are major problems with url() parsing without qhotes
- # [03:11] <jdaggett> really?
- # [03:12] <jdaggett> because of parens in the url?
- # [03:12] <fantasai> I haven't tested parens
- # [03:12] <fantasai> but behavior with commas is inconsistent
- # [03:12] <fantasai> that's supposed to be invalid, per spec
- # [03:13] <jdaggett> looking at issue tracker
- # [03:13] <jdaggett> can you add "CSS3 Fonts" to the list of products?
- # [03:13] <fantasai> you can do it yourself, too :) but done.
- # [03:13] <jdaggett> looks like i can do it...
- # [03:14] <jdaggett> oh, thanks!
- # [03:14] <fantasai> np
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- # [09:45] <glazou> hi
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- # [09:48] <fantasai> 'morning
- # [09:49] <fantasai> glazou: thanks for filling out the module entries so well
- # [09:49] * fantasai is monitoring those changes as they come in, and had to ask for some to be reworked a bit
- # [09:50] <fantasai> rationale is always a tough one it seems
- # [09:52] * fantasai checks in a list of CSS3 Paged Media issues raised on www-style over the past three years
- # [09:53] <glazou> np
- # [09:53] <glazou> that page is made for W3M and ACs
- # [09:53] <glazou> they know nothing about our daily work
- # [09:53] <glazou> a few extra words is a cheap price to make them understand
- # [09:53] <fantasai> :)
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- # [10:24] <fantasai> 'night glazou
- # [10:32] <glazou> bye
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- # [23:31] <Ming> Hi, Peter, are you at your cubicle?
- # [23:35] <fantasai> plinss_: ^
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