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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 03 00:00:01 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:02] <dbaron> how often do issues get added to the CSS 2.1 issues list?
  4. # [00:02] * dbaron wonders whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jun/0227.html not being there means it was missed
  5. # [00:03] <fantasai> I triage www-style about once every week or two
  6. # [00:04] * fantasai adds that one to the list
  7. # [00:05] <fantasai> I did a half-triage the other day, which is why a couple new issues are on the list
  8. # [00:05] <fantasai> I need to go back through and make sure I caught them al
  9. # [00:06] * fantasai usually flags them in her inbox for later when she reads www-style
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  12. # [00:50] <Hixie> ScribeNick: Hixie
  13. # [00:50] <Hixie> wrong channel
  14. # [00:50] <fantasai> heh
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  38. # [18:01] <fantasai> Bert: Does http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Mar/0184.html need to be added to the issues list?
  39. # [18:02] * Bert suspects the author is confused.... reading again...
  40. # [18:04] <Bert> The confusion seems to come from the fact that all paragraphs start with "in CSS" except for one that starts "in CSS 2.1".
  41. # [18:04] <fantasai> so there's no mismatch between the prose and the tokenization?
  42. # [18:05] <Bert> No, I don't believe so, but the "in CSS 2.1
  43. # [18:05] <Bert> " though correct, could havebeen "in CSS" as well.
  44. # [18:06] <fantasai> ok, can you reply to him then?
  45. # [18:06] <fantasai> and you can make the CSS2.1->CSS edit if you want
  46. # [18:06] <fantasai> that's editorial imo
  47. # [18:06] <Bert> I'll reply.
  48. # [18:07] <Bert> That gives me time to think over the change "CSS 2.1" -> "CSS" once more as well.
  49. # [18:07] <fantasai> k
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  51. # [18:25] <Bert> In fact, he *does* have an issue: the tokens in 4.1.1 say all of Unicode above U+0080 may appear in ident, while 4.1.3 says all of Unicode above U+00A0.
  52. # [18:25] <Bert> He thinks that's a diff. between CSS generic and CSS 2.1, but it's actually a typo.
  53. # [18:26] <Bert> At least I always wanted 4.1.3 to say U+0080.
  54. # [18:26] <fantasai> ok
  55. # [18:26] <fantasai> I'll add that to the issues list :)
  56. # [18:27] <Bert> Good. Thanks!
  57. # [18:27] <Bert> I'll continu my reply, anyway :-)
  58. # [18:27] <fantasai> Bert: do I need to flag that for WG discussion, or is it editorial?
  59. # [18:28] <Bert> The chance of implementations doing different things is quite high :-(
  60. # [18:28] <Bert> Maybe worth testing...
  61. # [18:28] <fantasai> ok, I'll add "needs testcase"
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  64. # [18:59] <Bert> Reading it yet again, there is no issue after all :-)
  65. # [19:00] <Bert> CSS refers to Unicode and Unicode will never have any characters between 0x80 and 0xA0.
  66. # [19:00] <fantasai> ok, but the prose should be consistent about which range it picks :)
  67. # [19:00] <Bert> So both numbers actually mean the same.
  68. # [19:00] <Bert> I'll explain in detail in my mail.
  69. # [19:01] <anne> impl might differ though :)
  70. # [19:02] <Bert> If you accept a "character" with codepoint between 80 and 9F, you have a bug already, because CSS says all text is Unicode.
  71. # [19:03] <Bert> Impls may well differ, but I can now prove which one is wrong :-)
  72. # [19:03] <anne> I guess on the character level those might be turned into U+FFFD already
  73. # [19:04] <fantasai> Bert: so should I mark that Assumed editorial?
  74. # [19:04] <bjoern_h> U+0080 - U+009F are assigned to control characters that are quite valid. For example, one of the changes in XML 1.1 is the addition of NEL (U+0085) as end of line character.
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  76. # [19:05] <Bert> Really? I thought that space was supposed to remain empty.
  77. # [19:06] <bjoern> I think, but never read the spec, that ISO-8859-1 does not assign the *bytes* 0x80 to 0x9F
  78. # [19:06] <bjoern> (but it might also map them to the control characters in the range, like I said, never read the spec.)
  79. # [19:06] <Bert> OK, I'll revise my opinion again :-) It *is* an issue and 4.1.3 needs to change A0 into 80.
  80. # [19:06] <fantasai> lol
  81. # [19:07] <fantasai> ok, next, figure out whether http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jun/0119.html represents an issue :)
  82. # [19:07] <fantasai> because I don't want to think about that
  83. # [19:07] * fantasai moves on to some Appendix E emails
  84. # [19:07] <fantasai> which isn't much better I suppose...
  85. # [19:07] <fantasai> :)
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  91. # [20:23] <Bert> No idea if that rambling message (as it identifies itself :-) ) is an issue or not. For one, the colors in the text are not the colors in the test case.
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  94. # [21:50] <fantasai> Hixie: Is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0238.html correct? (I'm thinking it is, but I wanted to check.)
  95. # [21:54] <Hixie> just going to lunch, ask me again in two minutes so i remember to look when i get back :-)
  96. # [21:55] <fantasai> ok :)
  97. # [21:58] <fantasai> Hixie: Is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0238.html correct? (I'm thinking it is, but I wanted to check.)
  98. # [22:24] <fantasai> http://dev.moonhenge.net/css21/spec/z-index/ is probably also something you should look at
  99. # [22:46] <Hixie> how do you mean correct?
  100. # [22:46] <fantasai> as in, the change suggested should be made
  101. # [23:36] <fantasai> hixie?
  102. # [23:36] <fantasai> ^
  103. # [23:38] <Hixie> the one i suggested?
  104. # [23:38] <Hixie> i believe so
  105. # [23:38] <fantasai> you suggested the change for Appendix E
  106. # [23:39] <fantasai> the mail is saying it should apply also to 9.5 and 9.9
  107. # [23:39] <fantasai> I'm asking if that is correct. I believe it is, but since you're the expert here I thought I'd check
  108. # [23:40] <fantasai> (the wg already accepted your proposed change for Appendix E)
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