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  1. # Session Start: Thu Sep 18 00:00:00 2008
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  3. # [00:25] <fantasai> I think the main benefit is so that we can keep track of each others' CSS-related comments.
  4. # [00:25] <fantasai> reply-to www-svg is fine imo
  5. # [00:26] <shepazu> ok, I'll do that in the future, but I think you should be BCCing
  6. # [00:26] <shepazu> cuz I already screwed up and CCed www-style and i18n
  7. # [00:27] <anne> CSS WG members can just read http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/latest ...
  8. # [00:27] <fantasai> shepazu: makes sense to me
  9. # [00:28] <shepazu> cool
  10. # [00:29] <fantasai> anne: sorry, I don't care enough to read all www-svg traffic :) (No offense, shepazu.)
  11. # [00:30] <shepazu> up yours, fantasai, SVG is hte most important thing in the world!!
  12. # [00:30] <shepazu> I mean... uh, yeah, no offense taken
  13. # [00:30] <anne> once you filter out shepazu there's not that much e-mail :)
  14. # [00:30] <fantasai> lol
  15. # [00:30] <shepazu> lol
  16. # [00:31] <shepazu> especially now that jonathan chetwynd left all the w3c mailing lists
  17. # [00:31] <anne> I noticed, that was a weird goodbye
  18. # [00:32] <shepazu> actually, I don't like reading email via a browser, so I rarely check other lists that I'm not subscribed to
  19. # [00:32] <shepazu> anne: I asked him to be more polite and productive in his comments, and he didn't think that was appropriate
  20. # [00:32] <anne> I check other lists a few times each week, using shift+directional keys makes it easy
  21. # [00:33] <anne> and I have some URL shortcuts in Opera too
  22. # [00:33] <shepazu> but it's kind of a shame... chetwynd was great at identifying problems, even if he wasn't as good at coming up with solutions :(
  23. # [00:33] <anne> e.g. mml w3c-css-wg
  24. # [00:33] <shepazu> there are several changes in the spec I'd attribute directly to him
  25. # [00:33] <fantasai> shepazu: did you tell him that?
  26. # [00:33] <shepazu> fantasai: many times
  27. # [00:34] <shepazu> actually, I think he's gotten involved in some project that is taking most of his time
  28. # [00:35] <shepazu> so, the farewell was a bit over-the-top
  29. # [00:42] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/reviews/svgtiny1.2
  30. # [00:44] <shepazu> awww
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  33. # [02:27] <fantasai> dbaron: wrt tests that fail in FF due to pixel rounding.. should we try to make them not round?
  34. # [02:27] <dbaron> eh?
  35. # [02:27] <fantasai> http://www.css-zibaldone.com/test/floats/xhtml/floats-percentages-000.xht is off by one
  36. # [02:28] <fantasai> I'm guessing due to rounding error
  37. # [02:28] <fantasai> it's possible to make it not round, at least in this case, by using easy percentages
  38. # [02:29] <dbaron> that makes sense
  39. # [02:29] <dbaron> especially given that that test currently adds to 99.9%
  40. # [02:29] <dbaron> I'd expect it's even more likely to fail in WebKit
  41. # [02:29] <dbaron> it fails in Fx at some widths but not others
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  128. # [18:28] <dbaron> I just stubbed out http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/2008/Mandelieu.html
  129. # [18:28] <dbaron> Was there a topics page on the wiki that it should link to?
  130. # [18:32] <plinss> http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/mandelieu-2008
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  132. # [18:57] <dbaron> I also added a shared google map on which I put a bunch of relevant locations.
  133. # [18:57] <dbaron> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=113459493798290006453.0004572e108aaf1031ff5
  134. # [19:53] <shepazu> dbaron: that's great... can we share that around with other groups?
  135. # [19:53] <dbaron> sure
  136. # [19:53] <shepazu> thanks!
  137. # [22:45] <fantasai> shepazu: Can you point out where in SVG Tiny the spec allows support of values not defined in SVG Tiny?
  138. # [22:45] * fantasai is scanning through the document, isn't sure what to look for
  139. # [22:45] <shepazu> moment
  140. # [22:47] <shepazu> well, I do understand you point, and maybe that's not a solution... we are still gathering information
  141. # [22:48] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/implnote.html#UnsupportedProps seems to forbid it...
  142. # [22:48] <shepazu> looking further
  143. # [22:48] <fantasai> I want to make sure supporting "text-align: left" is allowed
  144. # [22:49] <shepazu> sure, of course
  145. # [22:49] <shepazu> we could add language to that effect
  146. # [22:49] <shepazu> which would actually be good, IMO, so that vendors could experiment
  147. # [22:49] <fantasai> well, I don't want "text-align: mySpecialFu" to be allowed :)
  148. # [22:50] <shepazu> why not?
  149. # [22:50] <fantasai> but values defined in SVG Full / CSS should be allwoed
  150. # [22:50] <fantasai> because that's non-standard
  151. # [22:50] <fantasai> and should therefore *be* non-standard
  152. # [22:50] <shepazu> lots of stuff is non-standard
  153. # [22:50] <shepazu> implementation experience is a good way to inform standards
  154. # [22:51] <fantasai> vendors can experiment, and should follow the naming conventions for experimentation
  155. # [22:51] <fantasai> but that doesn't mean it should be valid SVG Tiny
  156. # [22:51] <fantasai> or valid CSS
  157. # [22:51] <fantasai> If SVG Tiny's point is to be a profile, it "text-align: left" might not even be valid SVG Tiny
  158. # [22:52] <fantasai> but a UA should not be non-conforming if it does support that value
  159. # [22:52] <fantasai> only the SVG document would be non-conforming in that case
  160. # [22:52] <shepazu> do you have a suggestion?
  161. # [22:52] <fantasai> Say that SVG documents that include properties/values/attributes/whatever that are not defined in SVG Tiny are non-conforming
  162. # [22:53] <shepazu> I'd be surprised if that's not in there somewhere
  163. # [22:53] <fantasai> but UAs that support properties/values/attributes/whatever that are not defined in SVG Tiny but are defined in the relevant SVG / CSS specs are not non-conforming
  164. # [22:53] * shepazu looks
  165. # [22:54] <fantasai> feel free to paste my comments into that text-align issue, because that's what it's really about
  166. # [22:54] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/conform.html#ConditionallyConformingSVGDocuments
  167. # [22:55] <shepazu> okay, I'll bring that back to the SVG WG
  168. # [22:56] * fantasai tries to read your spec
  169. # [22:58] <fantasai> it seems to be written as if it was the SVG spec, and not the SVG Tiny spec
  170. # [22:58] <fantasai> I can't see anything defining conformance of a renderer to SVG Tiny
  171. # [22:58] <fantasai> only to SVG
  172. # [22:58] <shepazu> I'll have a look over that
  173. # [22:59] <shepazu> it would be nice if you were to articulate this larger issue in an email, because I have a feeling that this is an overarching problem that will resolve other issue systematically
  174. # [22:59] <fantasai> ok
  175. # [22:59] <shepazu> thanks
  176. # [22:59] <shepazu> bbl
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