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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 08 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  14. # [17:58] <glazou> good evening
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  18. # [17:58] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  19. # [17:58] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
  20. # [18:03] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  21. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.760.741.aaaa
  22. # [18:04] <plinss> zakim, +1.760.741 is me
  23. # [18:04] <Zakim> +plinss; got it
  24. # [18:04] <glazou> hi plinss
  25. # [18:04] <plinss> hello
  26. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  27. # [18:05] <arronei> zakim, microsoft is me
  28. # [18:05] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  29. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Daniel_Glazman
  30. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Bert
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  35. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.510.981.aacc
  36. # [18:08] <fantasai> Zakim, +1.510 is fantasai
  37. # [18:08] <anne> Zakim, passcode?
  38. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Melinda_Grant
  39. # [18:08] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  40. # [18:08] <glazou> anne: 78953
  41. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.206.324.aadd
  42. # [18:08] <plinss> zakim, +1.703.265 is jason_cranfordtea
  43. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
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  45. # [18:08] <sylvaing> Zakim, 1.206.324.aadd is sylvaing
  46. # [18:08] <Zakim> +jason_cranfordtea; got it
  47. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, sylvaing, I do not recognize a party named '1.206.324.aadd'
  48. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P40
  49. # [18:09] <Zakim> +David_Baron
  50. # [18:09] <sylvaing> Zakim, +1.206.324 is sylvaing
  51. # [18:09] <anne> Zakim, ??P40 is me
  52. # [18:09] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  53. # [18:09] <Zakim> +anne; got it
  54. # [18:09] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  55. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, arronei, Daniel_Glazman, Bert, jason_cranfordtea, fantasai, Melinda_Grant, sylvaing, David_Baron, anne
  56. # [18:09] * anne is locally muted to prevent Darth Vader sounds
  57. # [18:09] <glazou> lol
  58. # [18:09] <dbaron> Zakim, who is noisy?
  59. # [18:10] <Zakim> dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Glazman (32%), jason_cranfordtea (14%)
  60. # [18:10] <glazou> anne: I can make my iphone play lightsaber sounds if you want
  61. # [18:10] <glazou> Zakim, that does not count, i was speaking eh
  62. # [18:10] <Zakim> I don't understand 'that does not count, i was speaking eh', glazou
  63. # [18:10] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
  64. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, glazou, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
  65. # [18:10] <glazou> Zakim, Daniel_Glazman is me
  66. # [18:10] <Zakim> +glazou; got it
  67. # [18:12] <fantasai> Topic: Agenda / Logistics
  68. # [18:13] <fantasai> Bert: I posted proposed times for our breaks on Sunday. Let me know if we want to change those
  69. # [18:13] * anne has nothing else planned for Sunday
  70. # [18:13] <fantasai> Daniel: Can we schedule a walk on the Riviera for Sunday? We don't seem to have a very full agenda this time.
  71. # [18:13] <fantasai> Peter: Let's see how the agenda shapes up
  72. # [18:14] <fantasai> Topic: Media Queries
  73. # [18:14] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Sep/0218.html
  74. # [18:14] <fantasai> Peter: David sent an email about commas being an error handling point
  75. # [18:14] <glazou> Zakim, mute me
  76. # [18:14] <Zakim> glazou should now be muted
  77. # [18:14] <fantasai> David: The basic question is whether errors that are not inside an expression but are between commas cause only the stuff between commas to be ignored or the entire query list to be ignored
  78. # [18:15] <fantasai> David: Given the way error handling inside a query, this makes sense.
  79. # [18:15] <fantasai> David: But Acid3 assumes the whole query is invalid
  80. # [18:15] <fantasai> David: Which means we have several implementations that dot aht.
  81. # [18:16] <fantasai> David: I wanted to check that we should change our implementations
  82. # [18:16] <fantasai> Anne: I agree this makes sense.
  83. # [18:16] <fantasai> Anne: The way Hixie has fixed Acid3 is by commenting out the test, so it wouldn't affect passing
  84. # [18:16] <fantasai> Anne: Of course implementations would still have to change their behavior
  85. # [18:16] <fantasai> Anne: Opera is willing to change
  86. # [18:16] <fantasai> Peter: I assume Mozilla is willing to change. Microsoft?
  87. # [18:16] <fantasai> Anne: Microsoft doesn't have an implementation
  88. # [18:17] <fantasai> Peter: Any other issues?
  89. # [18:17] <glazou> Zakim, unmute me
  90. # [18:17] <Zakim> glazou should no longer be muted
  91. # [18:17] <Zakim> + +47.21.64.aaee
  92. # [18:17] <fantasai> Anne: That's the only outstanding issue
  93. # [18:17] <fantasai> Melinda: Does WebKit have an implementation?
  94. # [18:18] <fantasai> Anne: Yes. I don't remember if Hyatt agreed with this change or not.
  95. # [18:18] <fantasai> Peter: I'm not hearing any opposition. Seems like a good idea to me.
  96. # [18:20] <fantasai> RESOLVED: No change to draft, accept commas as error-handling points.
  97. # [18:20] <fantasai> Anne: So, do we publish a Last Call draft now?
  98. # [18:21] <fantasai> fantasai: Yes, let's. Can we publish it before TPAC?
  99. # [18:21] <fantasai> Anne: I can try
  100. # [18:22] <fantasai> Peter: We'd still need to extend the Last Call period so people have time to publish
  101. # [18:22] <fantasai> s/publish/comment/
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  103. # [18:23] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Publish Media Queries as Last Call, deadline for comments 4 weeks after TPAC
  104. # [18:23] <Zakim> + +1.858.655.aaff
  105. # [18:24] <dbaron> Zakim, aaff is Ming
  106. # [18:24] <Zakim> +Ming; got it
  107. # [18:24] <dbaron> Zakim, aaee is howcome
  108. # [18:24] <Zakim> +howcome; got it
  109. # [18:24] <fantasai> Topic: Test Suite Harness
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  111. # [18:24] <fantasai> Peter: We had an internal meeting on the test suite harness at HP.
  112. # [18:24] <fantasai> Peter: Don't know how long we can have people working on it, so wanted to get comments.
  113. # [18:24] <fantasai> Melinda: It would be cool if everybody could give it a 1/2 hour spin
  114. # [18:25] <fantasai> Peter: Biggest thing is need to work on reporting functionality
  115. # [18:25] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/harness
  116. # [18:25] <anne> (fwiw, I now filed the bugs on WebKit I listed in http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20081007 so all three browsers have the bugs filed for the CSS Namespaces Module. Hopefully they're fixing soon :) )
  117. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: hmm.. the prototype seems to be very out of date
  118. # [18:26] <fantasai> Melinda, Peter: We'll send out a url when the latest and greatest is available
  119. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: We redid the templates
  120. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: Also added ability to add a mode to the UA string: whether you are testing desktop screen, or projection mode, or print or print preview
  121. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: so those can each get a different set of results
  122. # [18:28] <fantasai> Topic: Page Break of Floats
  123. # [18:28] <fantasai> Melinda: I wanted to revisit Issue 74
  124. # [18:28] <fantasai> Melinda: http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-74
  125. # [18:28] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Sep/0218.html
  126. # [18:29] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Oct/0046.html
  127. # [18:30] <fantasai> fantasai: I agree with adding "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element"
  128. # [18:31] <fantasai> fantasai: I'm not convinced about the other part
  129. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantasai: I'm concerned about breaking web layouts
  130. # [18:32] <fantasai> fantasai: which rely on floats and tables
  131. # [18:33] <fantasai> Melinda: This whole section is fuzzily worded anyway
  132. # [18:33] <fantasai> Melinda: we want implementations to think about what they're doing and do the best they can
  133. # [18:34] <fantasai> Melinda: At some point we may evolve more rigorous rules here.
  134. # [18:34] <fantasai> Howcome: I think i agree that more rigorous rules would be useful, but at this point I don't know what they would be
  135. # [18:35] <fantasai> Peter: where do we go from here?
  136. # [18:35] <fantasai> fantasai: Does anyone object to adding "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element"?
  137. # [18:36] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Add "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element" for Issue 74
  138. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: I'm not terribly excited about the other stuff. I would prefer to leave it out of 2.1
  139. # [18:37] <fantasai> Peter: I agree. If we're going to specify better page-breaking behavior, we should do that with explicit rules and properties.
  140. # [18:37] <fantasai> Peter: We should think about what should be the proper behavior and how do we give the author appropriate controls.
  141. # [18:38] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Don't add other sentence to 2.1
  142. # [18:38] <fantasai> Topic: Other
  143. # [18:38] <fantasai> fantasai: We have a couple issues that need testcases. If people could help with those...
  144. # [18:39] <fantasai> Arron: We might have some written. I was going to take a look today.
  145. # [18:39] <fantasai> fantasai: Issues 53, 57, and 69 need test cases.
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  147. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Ming
  148. # [18:39] <fantasai> Meeting closed.
  149. # [18:39] <Zakim> -sylvaing
  150. # [18:39] <Zakim> -jason_cranfordtea
  151. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Melinda_Grant
  152. # [18:39] <Zakim> -glazou
  153. # [18:39] <Zakim> -plinss
  154. # [18:39] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  155. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Bert
  156. # [18:39] <Zakim> -anne
  157. # [18:39] <Zakim> -arronei
  158. # [18:40] <glazou> plinss: you saw my /msg ?
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  162. # [19:02] <Zakim> -howcome
  163. # [19:07] <Zakim> -fantasai
  164. # [19:07] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  165. # [19:07] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.760.741.aaaa, plinss, arronei, Bert, +1.703.265.aabb, +1.510.981.aacc, Melinda_Grant, fantasai, +1.206.324.aadd, jason_cranfordtea, David_Baron, sylvaing, anne,
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  167. # [19:07] <Zakim> ... glazou, +47.21.64.aaee, +1.858.655.aaff, Ming, howcome
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  173. # [20:49] <glazou> plinss,plinss_: ping
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  175. # [21:14] <fantasai> Hey Bert, can you make the CSS2.1 edits sometime this week?
  176. # [21:14] <fantasai> or at least, early next week, so I can review them in time for the TPAC?
  177. # [21:23] <Bert> Fantasai, probably I can, on Friday.
  178. # [21:35] <fantasai> cool
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  181. # [23:26] <plinss> glazou: ack
  182. # [23:30] <fantasai> melinda
  183. # [23:30] <fantasai> er
  184. # [23:30] <fantasai> wrong window
  185. # Session Close: Thu Oct 09 00:00:00 2008

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