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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 29 00:00:00 2008
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  34. # [21:38] <Lachy> fantasai, yt?
  35. # [21:39] <fantasai> Lachy: yep
  36. # [21:39] <Lachy> re :enabled and :disabled matching hidden inputs, where in WF2 does it say that it should match?
  37. # [21:40] <fantasai> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#relation
  38. # [21:40] <Lachy> although, WF2 is obsolete now that forms has been integrated into HTML5, so it probably doesn't matter too much
  39. # [21:40] <fantasai> I didn't find this section in HTML5
  40. # [21:41] <fantasai> If HTML5 doesn't contradict WF2 then I wouldn't just ignore it
  41. # [21:41] <Lachy> nor did I
  42. # [21:41] <Hixie> i've put off writing the section that defines how html5 elements map to css selectors
  43. # [21:41] <Hixie> i'm hoping css might make it easier to do
  44. # [21:41] <Hixie> e.g. by defining some generic terms
  45. # [21:41] <Hixie> q.v. recent mail on www-style
  46. # [21:42] <Lachy> Hixie, do you think :enabled and :disabled should match <input type="hidden">?
  47. # [21:43] <fantasai> hmmm. That would require some significant changes to how Selectors is worded
  48. # [21:43] <fantasai> Probably a good idea, but..
  49. # [21:43] * fantasai didn't want to become a Selectors editor :(
  50. # [21:44] <Hixie> Lachy: probably not, dunno though
  51. # [21:44] <Hixie> fantasai: i don't expect this for the current draft
  52. # [21:44] <fantasai> Konqueror and Mozilla match
  53. # [21:44] <Hixie> fantasai: it should go in the same draft as :context, etc
  54. # [21:44] <Lachy> yeah, but IE8 and WebKit don't match
  55. # [21:45] <fantasai> Does IE8 even support them?
  56. # [21:45] <Hixie> (selectors isn't really well-defined, it'll need a rewrite anyway to bring it up to the 2008 quality level we've come to expect of specs)
  57. # [21:45] <Lachy> I think so, I'll check
  58. # [21:45] <fantasai> (agreed)
  59. # [21:46] <Lachy> fantasai, I rather not have any major edits done to the current Selectors spec. Daniel told me last week while at TPAC that they're trying to get it to REC ASAP, and that the next Selectors spec can't even beging until it's at PR
  60. # [21:47] <Lachy> s/beging/begin/
  61. # [21:47] <fantasai> in that case we may need to drop ::selection
  62. # [21:47] <Lachy> so I'm trying to get Opera's last few remaining bugs fixed and get a complete implementation report submitted for you
  63. # [21:48] <Lachy> should I mail www-style about the :enabled/:disabled issue and see what the group says?
  64. # [21:48] <fantasai> yeah, sure
  65. # [21:48] <fantasai> otherwise I'll have to do it :)
  66. # [21:50] <fantasai> Lachy: btw, we'll need your Selectors tests in the Selectors test suite's source format
  67. # [21:50] <fantasai> Lachy: http://dev.w3.org/CSS/selectors3-test-suite/
  68. # [21:56] <Lachy> ok, that should be easy to do. Is there some documentation for the format available?
  69. # [21:56] <fantasai> If there is any, it's probably checked in somewhere in that tree. Otherwise ask Hixie.
  70. # [21:57] <Lachy> I can probably just copy and modify another one if there isn't any
  71. # [21:58] <Lachy> the code looks fairly easy
  72. # [21:59] <fantasai> I don't know anything about the Selectors test suite. I'm just going to trust you to do a good job. :)
  73. # [21:59] <fantasai> I'll review your tests, that's about all.
  74. # [21:59] <fantasai> You have write access to dev.w3.org IIRC, so once they're good you can check things in yourself.
  75. # [22:00] <fantasai> If you can then update the test report template and send me a zip of the built test suite, I can put it up on www.w3.org.
  76. # [22:03] * fantasai wonders what happens if input[type=hidden] { display: inline; }
  77. # [22:04] <Lachy> ok, how do I build it? Since there's a Makefile in there, do I just type "make" on the command line?
  78. # [22:05] <Lachy> I assume that would run the perl scripts
  79. # [22:05] <fantasai> heh. Like I said, I don't know anything about the Selectors test suite. You can try it and see :)
  80. # [22:05] <Lachy> ok
  81. # [22:05] <fantasai> Hixie was in charge, I just checked in a copy of his source files into dev.w3.org. That's all I've done with it.
  82. # [22:07] <Lachy> fantasai, btw, those media queries TCs you asked about last week are here http://lachy.id.au/dev/css/tests/css3-mediaqueries/special/generator.html
  83. # [22:08] <Lachy> all the source code is here http://lachy.id.au/dev/css/tests/css3-mediaqueries/special/source-code.tar.gz
  84. # [22:13] <Lachy> hmm. Apparently IE8 doesn't even support :enabled and :disabled. I thought it did, but that would explain why it's passing my tests
  85. # [22:17] <fantasai> Lachy: is there any way to get a consistent set of IDs on individual tests for that system?
  86. # [22:17] <fantasai> Lachy: We'd need that for implementation reports
  87. # [22:20] <Lachy> they're each given a unique file name, for each set of tests created. But due to the nature of media queries, the tests need to be tailored to the specific device and so getting a fully unique ID is harder
  88. # [22:22] <Lachy> but feel free to hack the source code if you like to make it do what you need
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