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  2. # Session Ident: #css
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  11. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> looking for the current example default UA stylesheet that CSS WG published somewhere
  12. # [10:26] <MikeSmith> any clues?
  13. # [10:29] <MikeSmith> is there a newer one that http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/sample.html ?
  14. # [10:30] <MikeSmith> anne: ?
  15. # [10:34] <anne> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/sample.html ?
  16. # [10:34] <anne> plus errata
  17. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> anne: thanks
  18. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> do you know if the actual source for that is available?
  19. # [10:37] <MikeSmith> I mean non-HTMLified
  20. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> ah, ne'er mind
  21. # [10:39] <MikeSmith> I can just textify that one
  22. # [10:42] <anne> that style sheet is quite different from what browsers actually have to do
  23. # [10:51] <MikeSmith> anne: yeah, I know
  24. # [10:51] <MikeSmith> after looking at it, I realize it's probably not going to help me much
  25. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> I'm using the Webkit default UA stylesheet now
  26. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> but the problem with that is trying to figure out how to normalize or sanitize (or whatever) it
  27. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> see, e.g.:
  28. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/#a-display
  29. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> or or even better:
  30. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/markup-spec/#audio-display
  31. # [10:55] <MikeSmith> anne: roc pointed out to me that the -vendor-* stuff is mostly not that helpful, but it varies among implementations
  32. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> I have a perl script that does some monkeying around with the Webkit source stylesheet before I stuff it into that doc
  33. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> I guess I probably will just need to add a bunch more monkeying
  34. # [11:02] <anne> the -vendor-* stuff is sort of interesting as it provides an insight into what might be needed from CSS at some point
  35. # [11:02] <anne> but yeah, maybe that document isn't the right place
  36. # [11:03] <anne> maybe just remove the offending rules and add a note that implementation specific additions are required or something like that
  37. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> anne: I would prefer to try to figure out some way to programatically change some of the more useful rules, rather than just dumping them all completely. I'm give a try and if see if it's not too much work
  38. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> it's easy enough to just have my script drop of the floor anything that contains "-webkit-"
  39. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> but if I do that, it also completely drops all properties and values for, e.g., the <a> element
  40. # [11:07] <MikeSmith> which kinda sucks
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  48. # [15:31] <Lachy> fantasai, yt?
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  50. # [15:53] <glazou> hi
  51. # [15:54] <glazou> Bert: ping
  52. # [15:54] <Bert> Hello glazou
  53. # [15:54] <glazou> hi
  54. # [15:55] <glazou> Bert, Jason just told me his "account at w3c was terminated"
  55. # [15:55] <glazou> he does not receive any more w3c-css-wg
  56. # [15:55] <glazou> and cannot even check the archives
  57. # [15:55] <glazou> but I thought he was member until end of the year ?
  58. # [15:56] <Bert> Hmm, he unsubscribed from the WG, indeed, but why should he not have access to the archives anymore... Checking...
  59. # [15:56] <glazou> thanks Bert
  60. # [16:02] <Lachy> glazou, when do you want implementation reports for Selectors sent in? Should we wait till Selectors is CR, or do you want it now? (We have one for Opera 9.61 completed for the current test suite)
  61. # [16:07] <glazou> Lachy: i don't think the spec is going to change a lot :)
  62. # [16:08] <Lachy> ok, should I just send it to www-style?
  63. # [16:08] <glazou> so an implem report now is fine, and if there are light changes it won't apply a lot of work
  64. # [16:08] <glazou> nope w3c-css-wg please
  65. # [16:08] <Lachy> is that restricted to CSS WG members only? If so, I can get out CSSWG rep to send it
  66. # [16:08] <glazou> Lachy: and that's good, could help other implementors move on :)
  67. # [16:08] <glazou> Lachy: yes please
  68. # [16:09] * anne did one of those long ago: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0055.html
  69. # [16:10] <Lachy> we've improved since then
  70. # [16:10] <anne> sure
  71. # [16:10] <Lachy> anne, I'll forward you a copy of the one I did, can you send it along?
  72. # [16:11] <glazou> thx Lachy and anne
  73. # [16:11] <anne> Lachy, if it's for Opera 9.62 just send it to www-archive and i'll give a pointer to w3c-css-wg
  74. # [16:12] <Lachy> I haven't updated it for 9.62 yet
  75. # [16:12] <Lachy> I already sent a copy to you anyway
  76. # [16:12] <anne> oh, and include the style sheet
  77. # [16:12] <Lachy> I did
  78. # [16:13] <anne> hmm, my e-mail client messed it up
  79. # [16:13] <anne> can you do www-archive?
  80. # [16:13] <Lachy> ok
  81. # [16:16] <Lachy> anne, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2008Dec/0012.html
  82. # [16:19] <glazou> excellent
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