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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 13 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:04] <fantasai> Bert: I just checked in a rewrite of the intro and conformance sections, take a look and let me know if they're okay
  4. # [00:05] * fantasai thought the intro read more like a laundry list than an intro
  5. # [00:05] <fantasai> for the conformance section, I wanted to put in the terminology and normative/non-normative conventions
  6. # [00:05] <fantasai> and remove any references to css3-syntax
  7. # [00:15] <fantasai> Bert, would you like to meet up on IRC before the telecon to work through the remaining css3-background issues?
  8. # [00:16] <fantasai> If that sounds good, send me an email with a time that works for you. :)
  9. # [00:17] <Bert> Hi fantasai, the layer text looks good. I played a bit with the index.
  10. # [00:17] <fantasai> cool
  11. # [00:17] <Bert> The telcon is at the end of my day, so being on IRC before it is autmatic :-)
  12. # [00:17] <Bert> How much do we need, 2 hours?
  13. # [00:18] <fantasai> Probably
  14. # [00:18] <fantasai> I'm not really sure
  15. # [00:18] <fantasai> So... 7am
  16. # [00:18] <fantasai> I'll have to make sure I get to bed early :) :)
  17. # [00:19] <Bert> If it's too early, we can do it tomorrow as well, 1 or 2 hours later :-)
  18. # [00:20] <fantasai> It's okay, I'll be working from home on Wed anyway
  19. # [00:20] <fantasai> If you think we should discuss sooner so we can put it on the agenda, though, maybe that is better
  20. # [00:21] * fantasai would prefer 7:30 to 7
  21. # [00:21] <fantasai> ^-^
  22. # [00:22] <Bert> Wednesda is better for me than tomorrow, in terms of workload, so lets's do it before the telcon, as you said. 7:30 is fine.
  23. # [00:22] <fantasai> ok
  24. # [00:34] <fantasai> Bert, what's "fallback color|color!!fallback" mean?
  25. # [00:35] <Bert> It creates two entries in the index, the second of which has a subterm "fallback".
  26. # [00:35] <fantasai> ah
  27. # [00:35] <Bert> Just playing around, not sure it's useful :-)
  28. # [00:35] <fantasai> :)
  29. # [00:35] <fantasai> do those titles get ripped out by the preprocessor?
  30. # [00:35] <fantasai> they're kinda weird
  31. # [00:36] <Bert> No, but that's a good point. Need to think about that.
  32. # [00:37] <Bert> Using the title was a trick we invented for the scripts for HTML4, long ago. At that time, no browser displayed the title...
  33. # [00:37] <anne> fantasai, regarding the fallback thing, a QA guy at Opera was confused with the current text, I agree it's fine although maybe some better examples with prose that describes the actual effect would help
  34. # [00:38] <fantasai> I think our specs' <dfn title> usage should be consistent with HTML5
  35. # [00:38] <Bert> HTML5 uses title as well?
  36. # [00:38] <fantasai> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-dfn-element
  37. # [00:38] <Hixie> html5 doesn't use title="" consistently with html5
  38. # [00:39] <fantasai> is that a bug in the prose or the markup? :)
  39. # [00:39] <Hixie> the spec's own usage predates itself :-(
  40. # [00:39] <Hixie> markup
  41. # [00:39] <fantasai> yeah, that's what I figuredf
  42. # [00:39] <fantasai> right
  43. # [00:39] <fantasai> yeah, I meant with HTML5's prose
  44. # [00:39] <fantasai> not with its markup :)
  45. # [00:41] <fantasai> anne: I think s/he just missed the "if any" part. I can add a better example, but I don't think I can be exhaustive enough if somebody's missing key bits of prose
  46. # [00:43] <anne> we went over the prose together, he was still confused
  47. # [00:44] <fantasai> I checked in a better example
  48. # [00:44] <fantasai> it's not much
  49. # [00:44] <anne> an example that actually demonstrates when fallback would be used and maybe another one that demonstrates when not (e.g. background:red blue; with images disabled) would do
  50. # [00:44] <fantasai> if that's not enough for you, you'll have to propose some text
  51. # [00:45] <anne> k, I suppose I can do that
  52. # [00:45] <fantasai> oh, disabled
  53. # [00:45] <fantasai> err
  54. # [00:45] <fantasai> I know that triggers the fallback
  55. # [00:45] <fantasai> but how to distinguish that from 'none'
  56. # [00:45] <fantasai> in the prose
  57. # [00:45] <fantasai> not so simple
  58. # [00:46] <anne> it triggers fallback, but not when there's no background image specified to begin with
  59. # [00:46] <fantasai> right
  60. # [00:46] <fantasai> again
  61. # [00:46] <anne> the old example was a bit vague on that without prose
  62. # [00:46] <fantasai> it's all about the "if any" clause
  63. # [00:47] * fantasai tweaks the text some more
  64. # [00:48] <fantasai> k, reload
  65. # [00:50] <anne> that works
  66. # [00:51] <fantasai> ok
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  90. # [21:46] <glazou> hi there
  91. # [21:57] <glazou> shepazu: :yt ?
  92. # [21:58] <shepazu> glazou: always
  93. # [21:59] <glazou> shepazu: : I have to tell you one thing
  94. # [21:59] <shepazu> uhoh
  95. # [21:59] <glazou> my kids love your twitter avatar :-)
  96. # [21:59] <shepazu> lol :)
  97. # [21:59] <glazou> they said "look dad, that one seems to be a funny guy"
  98. # [21:59] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/People/Schepers/
  99. # [22:00] * shepazu suspects they are no older than 7
  100. # [22:00] <glazou> 7 and 10
  101. # [22:00] * shepazu misjudged his audience... I should be tweeting to kids :)
  102. # [22:01] <glazou> a new revenue stream for W3C :-D
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  104. # [22:15] * anne always thought shepazu was a monkey :p
  105. # [22:16] <shepazu> :D
  106. # [22:16] <shepazu> I do a great Curious George impression
  107. # [22:17] <glazou> a turkish monkey then
  108. # [22:17] <glazou> because of the fez
  109. # [22:18] * fantasai waves from SF
  110. # [22:19] <glazou> hi Elika
  111. # [22:19] <shepazu> the story behind that particular picture... I had just come from Morocco, where I got that fez in Fez, to a f2f in Prague. This was just after a typhoon had wiped out the Australian banana crop, and apparently Aussies are rather fond of their bananas... so I claimed all the bananas myself to keep them from our Australian attendees, and was taunting the Canon rep with them
  112. # [22:19] <fantasai> lol
  113. # [22:19] <glazou> ROFL
  114. # [22:19] <shepazu> not surprisingly, the Canon rep had a camera... :)
  115. # [22:20] <fantasai> hehe
  116. # [22:20] <glazou> tell him to send me a 5DmkII for tests please
  117. # [22:20] <shepazu> get in line, pal
  118. # [22:20] <glazou> eh
  119. # [22:21] * shepazu ... speaking of monkeys, NSFW: http://impressive.net/archives/fogo/20090112014509.GA18984@impressive.net
  120. # [22:22] <glazou> excellent :)
  121. # [22:24] <glazou> when is the inauguration ?
  122. # [22:24] <glazou> tomorrow ?
  123. # [22:24] <fantasai> 20th
  124. # [22:24] <glazou> ok
  125. # [22:44] * glazou is exshauted and goes to bed, bye people
  126. # [22:45] <fantasai> bye glazou
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