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  20. # [17:49] <glazou> hello
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  24. # [17:57] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  25. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
  26. # [17:59] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  27. # [17:59] <Zakim> + +1.415.738.aaaa
  28. # [17:59] <jdaggett> +1.415.738.aaaa is jdaggett
  29. # [18:00] <jdaggett> zakim, +1.415.738.aaaa is jdaggett
  30. # [18:00] <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
  31. # [18:00] <jdaggett> zakim, who is here
  32. # [18:00] <Zakim> jdaggett, you need to end that query with '?'
  33. # [18:00] <jdaggett> zakim, who is here?
  34. # [18:00] <Zakim> On the phone I see jdaggett
  35. # [18:00] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, emilyw, jdaggett, myakura, arronei, anne, shepazu_away, plinss, krijnh, plinss_, Hixie, Bert, trackbot, hsivonen
  36. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  37. # [18:01] * glazou has difficulties dialing in
  38. # [18:01] <arronei> zakim, Microsoft is arronei
  39. # [18:01] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  40. # [18:02] <Zakim> +glazou
  41. # [18:02] <glazou> aaah
  42. # [18:02] <glazou> is there someone else on the call ? It's all silent here
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  45. # [18:03] <emilyw> zakim, P20 is emilyw
  46. # [18:03] <Zakim> sorry, emilyw, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
  47. # [18:03] <emilyw> zakim, ??P20 is emilyw
  48. # [18:03] <Zakim> +emilyw; got it
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  51. # [18:04] * jdaggett only hear typing on an ancient keyboard
  52. # [18:04] <glazou> no, a mac kbd :)
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  54. # [18:04] <jdaggett> heh
  55. # [18:05] <glazou> I switched to the bright side of the force
  56. # [18:05] <glazou> ;)
  57. # [18:05] <jdaggett> very good!
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  59. # [18:05] * emilyw says there's still nothing wrong with old keyboards.
  60. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  61. # [18:06] <glazou> as soon as they're not ancient
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  67. # [18:08] <ChrisL> Scribe: Chris
  68. # [18:08] <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
  69. # [18:09] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
  70. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-css-irc#T17-07-30
  71. # [18:09] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
  72. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ChrisL
  73. # [18:09] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  74. # [18:10] <ChrisL> Topic: CSS 2.1 Test suite
  75. # [18:10] <fantasai> Arron: We're almost done on our end, and we're starting to upload files to the review server.
  76. # [18:10] <ChrisL> arron: nearing completion of our testsuite and bugun uploading to review server. Aprox 7k files need to be reviewed
  77. # [18:11] <ChrisL> ... ned to share the effort
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  79. # [18:11] <ChrisL> s/ned/need/
  80. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  81. # [18:11] <ChrisL> s/Aprox/approx/
  82. # [18:11] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  83. # [18:11] <Zakim> +David_Baron; got it
  84. # [18:11] <ChrisL> Daniel: How long did that take to write?
  85. # [18:11] <ChrisL> Arron: About 3 months
  86. # [18:12] <ChrisL> ... expect 5-6 months to review
  87. # [18:12] <ChrisL> Daniel: Coverage?
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  89. # [18:12] <ChrisL> Arron: Not chapter 13, assume melinda and HP have that covered
  90. # [18:12] <ChrisL> s/Melin/Melin
  91. # [18:12] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing, alexmog
  92. # [18:12] <Zakim> +sylvaing, alexmog; got it
  93. # [18:12] <ChrisL> s/melin/Melin
  94. # [18:13] * dbaron RRSAgent, pointer?
  95. # [18:13] * RRSAgent See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-css-irc#T17-11-17
  96. # [18:13] <fantasai> Glazou: This test suite is the highest priority of the working group
  97. # [18:13] <ChrisL> Daniel: Release of CSS 2.1 is highest charter proiority. Each organisation needs to contribute or else this will never happen
  98. # [18:13] <ChrisL> Hakon: This is a public review surely
  99. # [18:13] <ChrisL> Elika: Difficult to coordinate public review
  100. # [18:14] <ChrisL> ... how to track stus of individual tests,track tests and comments and status.
  101. # [18:14] * Joins: szilles (chatzilla@192.150.10.200)
  102. # [18:14] <ChrisL> ... previously used mailing list, ok for low volume but not for a ton of tests
  103. # [18:15] <ChrisL> ... needs a comment tracking system for individual tests
  104. # [18:15] <ChrisL> ... Peter and I designed such a syste but its not been built
  105. # [18:16] <ChrisL> David: There are different types of review needed. Will not get all types on all tests
  106. # [18:16] <ChrisL> Daniel: Agree
  107. # [18:16] <ChrisL> David: Useful to have public review anythingthey want, but need comment tracking and fixing in a timely manner so we dont get duplicate comments too much
  108. # [18:17] <ChrisL> Arron: No problem with timely update to each file
  109. # [18:17] <ChrisL> Daniel: maybe a bugzilla withas bug per test
  110. # [18:17] <ChrisL> s/withas/with a /
  111. # [18:18] <ChrisL> Elika: Its a lot of overhead. Wiki has less overhead per test, stilla lot of hassle. Often need to comment on multiple tests
  112. # [18:18] <ChrisL> s/stilla/still a/
  113. # [18:18] <ChrisL> ... tests come in sets, often a comment applies to multiple tests
  114. # [18:19] <ChrisL> Daniel: technical side is less important, needs to be efficient enough that all in WG can contribute to the reviews
  115. # [18:19] <fantasai> Zakim, who is here?
  116. # [18:19] <Zakim> On the phone I see jdaggett, arronei, glazou, emilyw, plinss, ??P33, +1.253.250.aabb, [Microsoft], +47.21.64.aacc, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, [Mozilla]
  117. # [18:19] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing, alexmog
  118. # [18:19] <Zakim> [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  119. # [18:19] <Zakim> On IRC I see szilles, sylvaing, dbaron, howcome, fantasai, ChrisL, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, emilyw, jdaggett, myakura, arronei, anne, shepazu_away, plinss, krijnh, plinss_, Hixie,
  120. # [18:19] <Zakim> ... Bert, trackbot, hsivonen
  121. # [18:19] <ChrisL> David: What VCS is being used?
  122. # [18:19] <ChrisL> ... maybe allow people to post patches using a distributed VCS
  123. # [18:19] <ChrisL> Elika: Its sing subversion at the moment
  124. # [18:20] <ChrisL> s/sing/using/
  125. # [18:20] <ChrisL> Hakon: Could we use media wiki?
  126. # [18:20] <ChrisL> Daniel: Subversion has command line plus extensions for MacOS, Windows etc
  127. # [18:21] <ChrisL> ... eg TortoiseSVN etc. Anyone should be able to use it
  128. # [18:21] <ChrisL> Chris: Yes, SVG is a good idea
  129. # [18:21] <ChrisL> Hakon: Need to be able to add comments without changingthe files themselves
  130. # [18:21] <sylvaing> technology is not as hard as figuring out how and when a testcase has been reviewed imo
  131. # [18:22] <ChrisL> Peter: So we designed a system to do that, database
  132. # [18:22] <szilles> Chris: tests are written in XML with list of statuses and authoring metadata
  133. # [18:23] <szilles> Chris: we used Tracker to deal with comments, as Elika says this was inefficient for multitest comments
  134. # [18:24] <szilles> Chris: we used CVS for the test cases
  135. # [18:24] <ChrisL> Hakon: Could do like sorce files with comments at the top to describe changes
  136. # [18:24] <ChrisL> Bert: might break some tests
  137. # [18:25] <ChrisL> Bert: Need simple review. Most tests likely correct
  138. # [18:25] <ChrisL> Daniel: No, because from selectors we saw that the initially plausible tests ended up with many small changes
  139. # [18:26] <ChrisL> Hakon: Get www-style to help and get review comments on those which are wrong
  140. # [18:26] <ChrisL> David: Hard is everyone passes a test but its still wrong
  141. # [18:27] <ChrisL> Chris: Yes that sort of test is hard to catch
  142. # [18:27] <ChrisL> David: Need to link specific issues to affected tests
  143. # [18:28] <ChrisL> Steve: One way is to run them against implementations that are known bad. if they stil pass there is an issue
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  145. # [18:28] <ChrisL> Elika: A wiki has too much overhead, and performance issues with that many tests.
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  147. # [18:29] <ChrisL> ... so options are bugzilla, tracker, or build something (if done soon)
  148. # [18:29] <ChrisL> David: Not convinced the mail list would fail
  149. # [18:29] <ChrisL> Elika: Its failing already to track all tests.
  150. # [18:30] <ChrisL> David; "has been reviewed already" is not really a binary state
  151. # [18:30] <ChrisL> Bert: Need some criterion to move it to the public site
  152. # [18:30] <ChrisL> David: Judgement call based on how long tests are around, comfort factor
  153. # [18:30] <ChrisL> Bert: Peole only say about tests with problems, not tests they thought were fine
  154. # [18:31] * sylvaing thinks 'the' mailing list should be different from www-style given the number of styles
  155. # [18:31] * sylvaing number of tests
  156. # [18:31] * fantasai it is, it's called public-css-testsuite@
  157. # [18:31] <sylvaing> oops. never mind :)
  158. # [18:32] <ChrisL> Daniel: In Selectors test suite this was not an issue. if over several months no-one reported a problem, it still goes in the test suite
  159. # [18:32] <ChrisL> Chris: Sometimes approved tests have bugs filed on them and are withdrawn or fixed. its like shipping software
  160. # [18:33] <ChrisL> Arron: prefer bugzilla over wiki or a mail list
  161. # [18:33] <ChrisL> ... can raise a bug on a range of tests eg background-*
  162. # [18:33] <ChrisL> ... thats how ewe do it internally, in a database
  163. # [18:33] <ChrisL> s/ewe/we/
  164. # [18:34] <ChrisL> Daniel: So do you open a new bug for all reviewed tests?
  165. # [18:34] <ChrisL> Arron: No, only failed ones
  166. # [18:34] <ChrisL> Daniel: But then you do not know which tests have even been looked at
  167. # [18:35] <ChrisL> Elika: Could use bugzilla to track problems but a wiki page where people can put their names against specific tests as being ok
  168. # [18:35] <ChrisL> Daniel: Good compromise I think. This is very important, everyone shoudl commit some time to review them
  169. # [18:36] <ChrisL> David: Would like to propose patches and commit fixes, do i need permission? od do it and log that it was done?
  170. # [18:36] <ChrisL> s/od/Or/
  171. # [18:36] <ChrisL> Arron: need to be updated somehow
  172. # [18:36] <Bert> (Wiki... or just an HTML page under CVS, the same CVS as the tests themselves?)
  173. # [18:36] <glazou> isn't it http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/CSS/CSS2.1-test-suite/ ?
  174. # [18:36] <ChrisL> Peter: Tests currently in SVN
  175. # [18:37] <fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/svn/
  176. # [18:37] <glazou> ok
  177. # [18:37] <ChrisL> David: Multiple reports of errors and the tests not changing is discouraging for further effort by the public
  178. # [18:37] <plinss> or http://svn.csswg.org/test/
  179. # [18:37] <ChrisL> Hakon: yes. Also for 7k files we need a map overview of the overall stat
  180. # [18:37] <plinss> and http://svn.csswg.org/viewvc/
  181. # [18:37] <ChrisL> s/stat/state/
  182. # [18:38] <ChrisL> Hakon: very useful to have a tool, eg in OOXML and OF they had this same problem
  183. # [18:38] <ChrisL> Elika: We have plans for a system but lack time and budget to build it
  184. # [18:39] <ChrisL> Peter: i get time here and there but not enough
  185. # [18:39] <ChrisL> Hakon: Don't know anyone at Opera who could build that system
  186. # [18:40] <ChrisL> Daniel: Dont want to be stuck where we have tests but can't move forward as we want new tools. Have already reviewed tests with no svn, no wiki and it still worked. We need to start. in the worst case a maillost ise nough, with good subject lines
  187. # [18:40] <ChrisL> s/isenough/is enough/
  188. # [18:41] <ChrisL> Hakon: So if someone says a thousand tests have a given error
  189. # [18:41] <ChrisL> Arron: Then I would fix them and commit in the next few weeks
  190. # [18:41] <ChrisL> David: Please encourage bug reporters to submit patches as well
  191. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Hakon: OK as long as the patches are tracked
  192. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Elika: SVG does that
  193. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Hakon: So anyone on www-style can make patches?
  194. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Daniel: Make, or apply, patches?
  195. # [18:42] <fantasai> s/SVG/SVN/
  196. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Hakon: i meant commit
  197. # [18:42] <ChrisL> Elika: So they would need svn acces, not an issue
  198. # [18:43] <ChrisL> Hakon: if we get a crank then we can revert their changes
  199. # [18:43] * ChrisL smiles at mixing SVG with SVN
  200. # [18:43] <ChrisL> Elika: So send ok patches and you get SVN access?
  201. # [18:44] <ChrisL> David: Somewhere in that area. establishing trust after some good submission on the mailing list
  202. # [18:44] <ChrisL> Arron: no issue withanyone on the WG having SVG access straight away.
  203. # [18:44] <fantasai> s/SVG/SVN/
  204. # [18:44] <ChrisL> Daniel: Complex bugs would be discussed on the list first of course
  205. # [18:45] * shepazu_away chuckles at ChrisL's typos :D
  206. # [18:45] <ChrisL> Hakon: What we are not recording is the "ok" remarks
  207. # [18:45] * sylvaing would be impressed if this could be done with SVG
  208. # [18:45] <ChrisL> Chris: Elika mentioned a wiki page overview
  209. # [18:46] * shepazu_away would make the same typo... automatic nerve impulses
  210. # [18:46] <ChrisL> Daniel: Mailing list is better, just say what has been looked at
  211. # [18:46] <ChrisL> Elika: hard to get an overview that way
  212. # [18:47] <ChrisL> Daniel: Not going to block the test suite forever. if a trusted review has happened then we go ahead. its trust, not number of reviews
  213. # [18:47] <ChrisL> hakon: But we need to track who has reviewed which test
  214. # [18:48] <ChrisL> Chris: yes you need to always log the revision number of each test reviewed
  215. # [18:48] <ChrisL> Elika so suppose we use the mail list for nowe tosend in reviews and Arron fixes them
  216. # [18:48] <ChrisL> Danile: OK as long as there are positive reviews as well as bug reports
  217. # [18:48] <ChrisL> Elika: OK so needs test names in subject line
  218. # [18:49] * sylvaing thinks this is a prime F2F topic
  219. # [18:49] <ChrisL> Peter: Our system uses directory structure , svn allows files to be moved so a test can be moved to indicate status
  220. # [18:49] <ChrisL> Chris: Thats a bigadvantage of SVN over CVS
  221. # [18:49] <ChrisL> s/biga/big a/
  222. # [18:50] <ChrisL> Elika: Moving files does break URIs
  223. # [18:50] <ChrisL> Daniel: Lets get started with the mailing list to get started
  224. # [18:51] <ChrisL> Peter: Will work on system as time allows
  225. # [18:51] <ChrisL> Hakon: Existing documentation on how to review?
  226. # [18:51] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test
  227. # [18:51] <ChrisL> Peter: See wiki
  228. # [18:51] <dbaron> CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft $ find . -name "*.xht" | wc -l
  229. # [18:51] <dbaron> 6455
  230. # [18:51] <dbaron> Are these the 7000 tests we're talking about?
  231. # [18:52] <ChrisL> Daniel: Please tell the mailing list where the documentation is
  232. # [18:52] <ChrisL> Daniel: Tests are all xht?
  233. # [18:53] <arronei> Yes those are the beginning of the 7000 tests there are still more I need to upload
  234. # [18:53] <ChrisL> Elika: Thats the filename that Tantek and Hixie decided on. OK as long as server serves them with correct media type
  235. # [18:53] <plinss> Browsable tests: http://test.csswg.org/source/
  236. # [18:53] <ChrisL> Topic: Berts question on new release
  237. # [18:53] * fantasai can't seem to send mail, somebody please send the wiki url to w3c-css-wg
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  239. # [18:54] <dbaron> arronei, are the ~700 tests from a year or two ago included in those?
  240. # [18:54] <ChrisL> Bert: Current CR is 18 months od, lots of errata. good to ipublish a new version with all errata incliuded, and have an empty erratum list again. Suggest publish another CR, no status change just an update
  241. # [18:54] <ChrisL> Chris: +1 to that, much easier to read and avoids duplicate bug reports
  242. # [18:54] <ChrisL> Arron: Are there diffs?
  243. # [18:55] <ChrisL> Bert: Yes, member only but we could publish it. Not guaranteed to be valid HTML due to the tool used
  244. # [18:55] <ChrisL> Bert: no problem
  245. # [18:55] * dbaron RRSAgent, who is on the phone?
  246. # [18:55] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is on the phone'
  247. # [18:55] * dbaron Zakim, who is on the phone?
  248. # [18:55] * Zakim sees on the phone: jdaggett, arronei, glazou, emilyw, plinss, ??P33, +1.253.250.aabb, [Microsoft], +47.21.64.aacc, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, [Mozilla]
  249. # [18:55] <ChrisL> zaki, who is here?
  250. # [18:55] * Zakim [Microsoft] has sylvaing, alexmog
  251. # [18:55] * Zakim [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  252. # [18:55] <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
  253. # [18:55] <Zakim> On the phone I see jdaggett, arronei, glazou, emilyw, plinss, ??P33, +1.253.250.aabb, [Microsoft], +47.21.64.aacc, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, [Mozilla]
  254. # [18:55] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing, alexmog
  255. # [18:55] <Zakim> [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  256. # [18:55] <Zakim> On IRC I see alexmog, szilles, sylvaing, dbaron, howcome, fantasai, ChrisL, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, emilyw, jdaggett, arronei, anne, plinss, krijnh, plinss_, Hixie, Bert,
  257. # [18:55] <Zakim> ... trackbot, hsivonen
  258. # [18:56] <ChrisL> Daniel: Jon had an agenda item on JLTF
  259. # [18:56] <ChrisL> Topic: JLTF
  260. # [18:56] <ChrisL> zakim, who is speaking?
  261. # [18:56] <glazou> jdagget
  262. # [18:56] <Zakim> ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jdaggett (15%), glazou (24%), ChrisL (39%)
  263. # [18:57] <ChrisL> John: Coold we get an afternoon for this?
  264. # [18:57] <ChrisL> (general agreement, Weds pm)
  265. # [18:57] <ChrisL> John: Also please send email if there are things that are needed
  266. # [18:58] <jdaggett> http://tinyurl.com/baddirections
  267. # [18:58] <ChrisL> Chris: Is there a meeting registration form?
  268. # [18:59] <ChrisL> (no)
  269. # [18:59] <ChrisL> 26. Turn left at Kalakaua Ave
  270. # [18:59] <ChrisL> 1.9 mi
  271. # [18:59] <ChrisL> 27. Kayak across the Pacific Ocean
  272. # [18:59] <ChrisL> Entering Japan
  273. # [18:59] <ChrisL>
  274. # [18:59] <ChrisL> 3,879 mi
  275. # [18:59] <ChrisL> 28. Continue straight
  276. # [18:59] <ChrisL> Topic: June f2f location and date
  277. # [19:00] <ChrisL> Chris: Two different dates were being discussed. Which is the favoured one?
  278. # [19:00] <ChrisL> Daniel: June 3-5 or 24-26
  279. # [19:00] <ChrisL> Steve: June 3-5 not good for me
  280. # [19:00] <jdaggett> jdaggett: either is fine
  281. # [19:00] <ChrisL> Hakn: Can't do second date
  282. # [19:01] <ChrisL> Hotels easier for the earlier dates, due to summer breaks
  283. # [19:02] <ChrisL> s/Hakn/Hakon/
  284. # [19:02] <ChrisL> Daniel; Travel may be cheaper for earlier date too
  285. # [19:02] <ChrisL> Elika: Earlier date easier for me
  286. # [19:02] * sylvaing agrees that late June is best if one does *not* want to do any work
  287. # [19:02] <ChrisL> Daniel: OK so we will go with 3-5 June. Sorry, Steve
  288. # [19:03] <ChrisL> Resolved: meeting is 3-5 June at Sophia hosted by ERCIM
  289. # [19:03] <ChrisL> adjourned
  290. # [19:03] <Bert> (Summer holidays in France start July 2. Pentecost is Jun 1.)
  291. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  292. # [19:03] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  293. # [19:03] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  294. # [19:03] <Zakim> -jdaggett
  295. # [19:03] <Zakim> -arronei
  296. # [19:03] <Zakim> -??P33
  297. # [19:03] <Zakim> -plinss
  298. # [19:03] <Zakim> -emilyw
  299. # [19:03] <Zakim> - +1.253.250.aabb
  300. # [19:03] * Quits: emilyw (chatzilla@129.21.78.119) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121])
  301. # [19:03] <Zakim> -glazou
  302. # [19:03] <ChrisL> rrsagent, draft minutes
  303. # [19:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  304. # [19:03] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  305. # [19:03] <Zakim> - +47.21.64.aacc
  306. # [19:03] <Zakim> -Bert
  307. # [19:03] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  308. # [19:03] <Zakim> Attendees were jdaggett, arronei, glazou, plinss, emilyw, +1.253.250.aabb, +47.21.64.aacc, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, David_Baron, sylvaing, alexmog
  309. # [19:04] * Quits: alexmog (alexmog@131.107.0.111) (Quit: alexmog)
  310. # [19:05] <ChrisL> Meeting: CSS WG telcon
  311. # [19:05] <ChrisL> Chair: Daniel
  312. # [19:05] <ChrisL> Zakim, list attendees
  313. # [19:05] <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
  314. # [19:05] <ChrisL> zakim, you suck
  315. # [19:05] <Zakim> I don't understand 'you suck', ChrisL
  316. # [19:05] <dbaron> Zakim, who was here?
  317. # [19:05] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dbaron.
  318. # [19:05] <ChrisL> Present: jdaggett, arronei, glazou, plinss, emilyw, +1.253.250.aabb, +47.21.64.aacc, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, David_Baron, sylvaing, alexmog
  319. # [19:06] <plinss> +47 was howcome
  320. # [19:06] <glazou> ChrisL: :I started keeping track of attendees
  321. # [19:06] <fantasai> the other one was then probably me
  322. # [19:06] <ChrisL> Present: jdaggett, arronei, glazou, plinss, emilyw, +1.253.250.aabb, Hakon, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, David_Baron, sylvaing, alexmog
  323. # [19:06] <ChrisL> Present: jdaggett, arronei, glazou, plinss, emilyw, Elika, Hakon, ChrisL, Bert, SteveZ, David_Baron, sylvaing, alexmog
  324. # [19:06] <ChrisL> rrsagent, draft minutes
  325. # [19:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  326. # [19:06] <fantasai> RRSAgent: make logs public
  327. # [19:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, fantasai
  328. # [19:12] * Quits: jdaggett (jdaggett@114.181.171.200) (Quit: jdaggett)
  329. # [19:15] <dbaron> arronei, ./Chapter_11/overflow.xhtl-body-001.htm seems like it was intended to have some other filename
  330. # [19:16] <dbaron> arronei, it's the only *.htm test
  331. # [19:16] <dbaron> arronei, and the .xhtl seems suspicious :-)
  332. # [19:20] <glazou> 3 letters extensions must be a proof of existence of the devil
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  334. # [19:21] * glazou goes for dinner, bye people
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