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  26. # [17:42] <glazou> hello
  27. # [17:53] * annevk reads Bert's e-mail
  28. # [17:53] * annevk gasps
  29. # [17:54] <glazou> annevk: why do you gasp ?-)
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  32. # [17:55] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-irc
  33. # [17:55] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  34. # [17:55] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
  35. # [17:55] <annevk> I have a vastly different perspective of where our priorities should be
  36. # [17:55] <glazou> eh
  37. # [17:56] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  38. # [17:57] <Zakim> +dsinger
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  40. # [17:57] <dsinger> Zakim, mute me
  41. # [17:57] <Zakim> sorry, dsinger, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
  42. # [17:58] <Zakim> +glazou
  43. # [17:58] <Zakim> + +1.206.324.aaaa
  44. # [17:58] <dsinger> Zakim, mute me
  45. # [17:58] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  46. # [17:58] <dsinger> Hi
  47. # [17:59] * Joins: sylvaing (sylvaing@98.247.143.102)
  48. # [17:59] <dsinger> On the bus as usual, using irc client ok the iPhone
  49. # [18:00] <glazou> np
  50. # [18:00] <annevk> Zakim, passcode?
  51. # [18:00] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
  52. # [18:02] <dsinger> Zakim, who is here?
  53. # [18:02] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), +1.206.324.aaaa, glazou
  54. # [18:02] <Zakim> On IRC I see sylvaing, dsinger, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, annevk, Lachy, plinss, Bert, krijnh, lucky711x, hsivonen, jdaggett, trackbot, Hixie
  55. # [18:02] <annevk> Zakim, this is CSS
  56. # [18:02] <dsinger> Hm, who is aaas?
  57. # [18:02] <annevk> Zakim, passcode?
  58. # [18:02] <Zakim> annevk, this was already Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
  59. # [18:02] <Zakim> ok, annevk; that matches Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
  60. # [18:02] <glazou> dsinger: I have no idea who it is
  61. # [18:02] <sylvaing> 1.206 is sylvaing
  62. # [18:02] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), annevk
  63. # [18:02] <glazou> ah ok
  64. # [18:02] <glazou> hy sylvaing
  65. # [18:03] <glazou> hi even
  66. # [18:03] <annevk> the passcode from Zakim does not work
  67. # [18:03] <dsinger> Zakim, aaaa is sylvaing
  68. # [18:04] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  69. # [18:04] * annevk wonders what is going wrong
  70. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P26
  71. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P27
  72. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Bert
  73. # [18:05] <annevk> Zakim, ??P27 is me
  74. # [18:05] <Zakim> +annevk; got it
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  76. # [18:05] <dsinger> P26 is?
  77. # [18:05] <glazou> elika
  78. # [18:06] * Bert heard some noise while being connected to zakim, but the connection went without problems.
  79. # [18:06] <glazou> same thing here
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  81. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  82. # [18:06] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has David_Baron
  83. # [18:06] <Zakim> +David_Baron; got it
  84. # [18:06] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  85. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), sylvaing, glazou, ??P26, annevk, Bert, [Mozilla]
  86. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Mozilla] has David_Baron
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  88. # [18:08] * ChrisL apologises for lateness
  89. # [18:08] * dbaron could hear anne before too
  90. # [18:08] <glazou> ScribeNick: annevk
  91. # [18:08] * dbaron wonders who ??P26 is
  92. # [18:08] <annevk> Zakim, ??P26 is fantasai
  93. # [18:08] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  94. # [18:09] <annevk> Topic: F2F
  95. # [18:09] <annevk> DG: Peter did not get budget approval
  96. # [18:09] <annevk> DG: I'm still unsure myself
  97. # [18:09] <Zakim> +ChrisL
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  99. # [18:09] <annevk> DG: I will know by the end of the week
  100. # [18:09] <szilles> coming soon to a phone near you
  101. # [18:10] <dsinger> I have a conflict for the f2f, sorry
  102. # [18:10] <annevk> DG: CL will be chair if I cannot make it [was that serious?]
  103. # [18:10] <annevk> DG: that was serious
  104. # [18:10] <annevk> DG: anything else?
  105. # [18:10] <annevk> [silence]
  106. # [18:10] <annevk> Topic: Apple CSS proposals
  107. # [18:11] <annevk> DG: I saw only Bert's e-mail
  108. # [18:11] <annevk> DG: please state your opinion
  109. # [18:12] <annevk> CL: [scribe missed ... something about transform-origin and "back"]
  110. # [18:12] <annevk> DG: at this point we are more interested in whether we should publish these documents or not
  111. # [18:12] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  112. # [18:12] <annevk> DB: I'm in favor of releasing them
  113. # [18:12] <Zakim> +??P42
  114. # [18:12] <dsinger> Steve also had a comment
  115. # [18:12] <dbaron> ... though they may progress at different rates after this point.
  116. # [18:12] <dbaron> Zakim, ??P42 is howcome
  117. # [18:12] <Zakim> +howcome; got it
  118. # [18:13] <annevk> SZ: I'm clearly not in favor
  119. # [18:13] <ChrisL> s/[scribe missed ... something about transform-origin and "back"]/was not clear about the transform-style and backface culling. where would a back geometry come from?/
  120. # [18:13] <annevk> SZ: it is in direct conflict with the stuff we discussed earlier
  121. # [18:13] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
  122. # [18:13] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-irc#T17-11-22
  123. # [18:13] * annevk cheers ChrisL!
  124. # [18:13] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
  125. # [18:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ChrisL
  126. # [18:14] <annevk> SZ: it seemed to be that discussion we had in Beijing went in one direction and the Apple proposal went in another
  127. # [18:14] * sylvaing wonders how 3D margins collapse
  128. # [18:14] <annevk> SZ: how transforms affect formatting
  129. # [18:14] * annevk slaps sylvaing
  130. # [18:15] <annevk> BB: there is a small note in the transforms draft about affecting layout
  131. # [18:15] <annevk> HWL: what is the concern here?
  132. # [18:16] <annevk> SZ: the essence is that the approach outlined in the Apple draft is in direct conflict with use cases we outlined earlier
  133. # [18:16] <annevk> SZ: we ought to agree on what problem we try to solve before we set out a solution
  134. # [18:16] <dsinger> Zakim, unmute me
  135. # [18:16] <Zakim> dsinger should no longer be muted
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  137. # [18:17] <annevk> DS: The documents have been out there for a long time in the wild and could have been discussed for months so putting the breaks on them now is not nice
  138. # [18:18] <annevk> DG: we have these proposals on the table for a long time
  139. # [18:18] <dsinger> Zakim, mute me
  140. # [18:18] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  141. # [18:18] <annevk> DG: there has been plenty of time for comments
  142. # [18:19] <annevk> DG: important comments will still have to be answered by the editors
  143. # [18:19] <annevk> SZ: the record of the previous discussion predated the publication of the Apple documents
  144. # [18:20] <annevk> SZ: I'm concerned about 2D Transforms
  145. # [18:20] <annevk> SZ: which were recently split out
  146. # [18:21] <annevk> DB: SZ is talking about transforms that affect layout if my memory serves me. That's the harder part. It might be better to get the easier part out there first.
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  148. # [18:21] <annevk> DB: I definitely support publication and might support working on transforms that affect layout as well.
  149. # [18:22] <annevk> HWL: I prefer transforms that do not affect layout
  150. # [18:22] <annevk> HWL: can we address your concern with a note?
  151. # [18:22] <annevk> SZ: there is a note in there
  152. # [18:22] <annevk> SZ: the note would require turning around because the normal default would be the one that affects layout (normal flow)
  153. # [18:23] <annevk> SZ: if a note is added that this only works for relative positioning that might work better
  154. # [18:23] <annevk> SZ: not sure if that is acceptable to Apple
  155. # [18:24] <annevk> DG: lets have a straw poll
  156. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Apple]
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  158. # [18:24] <Zakim> -dsinger
  159. # [18:24] <annevk> SZ: to simplify your life, I'm happy to raise a Formal Objection...
  160. # [18:25] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  161. # [18:25] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  162. # [18:27] <annevk> DB: do we really want transforms to do vertical text? I see them as orthogonal
  163. # [18:27] <dsinger> sure, or the 45 degree case
  164. # [18:27] <annevk> CL: you could use them for table headings and such, not Japanese text layout
  165. # [18:27] <ChrisL> I think, if it covered layout, it could be used for rotated or stacked text - in table headings for example
  166. # [18:28] <annevk> DG: it seems you ask for a clarification, not something that should block
  167. # [18:28] <dsinger> it sounds like we need a paragraph at the top, stating this as an open issue, and it might (?) cause technical changes
  168. # [18:28] <annevk> SZ: it's not a clarification, it's a complete switch
  169. # [18:28] <dsinger> architectural changes
  170. # [18:29] * annevk notes that Opera is working on an implementation too
  171. # [18:29] * annevk ... of the Apple proposal
  172. # [18:29] <dsinger> Q+
  173. # [18:29] * Zakim sees dsinger on the speaker queue
  174. # [18:29] <dsinger> q-
  175. # [18:29] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  176. # [18:29] <glazou> ack dsinger
  177. # [18:29] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  178. # [18:30] <annevk> DS: just to get this straight, you are worrying about the architectural issue?
  179. # [18:30] <annevk> SZ: yes
  180. # [18:31] <annevk> HWL: we should just mark it as an issue
  181. # [18:31] <annevk> SZ: the issue is what triggers which behavior
  182. # [18:32] <annevk> SZ: as specified, putting transforms on makes them not affect layout; that's the issue
  183. # [18:32] <annevk> HWL: which part of the document is this in?
  184. # [18:32] <annevk> SZ: the document does not consider this case
  185. # [18:32] <dsinger> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-2d-transforms/
  186. # [18:33] <ChrisL> "Transforms should perhaps be allowed to affect layout. Using the position property to do this seems to be the logical choice, but there are lots of questions about how this would work."
  187. # [18:33] <annevk> DS: maybe we should change that paragraph to make it clear this is an architectural issue
  188. # [18:33] <annevk> SZ: I think I can have a paragraph for next week's meeting
  189. # [18:33] <annevk> HWL: why should we allow transforms to affect layout?
  190. # [18:34] <annevk> SZ: to rotate text
  191. # [18:34] * annevk wonders if the only use cases is text?
  192. # [18:34] <annevk> DB: it is pretty complicated
  193. # [18:35] <annevk> SZ: you don't want writing-mode to also deal with rotated text
  194. # [18:35] <annevk> SZ: if you overload writing-mode it gets really complicated
  195. # [18:35] <dsinger> "Resolving this issue might result in architectural changes to the rest of this document; this is not (merely) a missing technical detail." ??
  196. # [18:35] <ChrisL> q to say actually its not clear that this would you 45 degree stacked table headers
  197. # [18:35] <ChrisL> q+ to say actually its not clear that this would you 45 degree stacked table headers
  198. # [18:35] * Zakim sees ChrisL on the speaker queue
  199. # [18:35] <annevk> DG: what can we do to make it publishable?
  200. # [18:35] <annevk> DG: removing the section?
  201. # [18:35] <annevk> SZ: no
  202. # [18:36] <annevk> DS: would the sentence above work?
  203. # [18:36] <annevk> SZ: no... I guess I would sort of point to the use case document on www-style ...
  204. # [18:36] <annevk> [...]
  205. # [18:37] <dsinger> uri coming?
  206. # [18:37] <szilles> Use cases for transformation: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Oct/0209
  207. # [18:38] <annevk> SZ: my request is that people look at the use cases
  208. # [18:38] <annevk> SZ: I cannot attend next week's meeting unfortunately
  209. # [18:38] <annevk> DG: the use cases are clear
  210. # [18:39] <annevk> HWL: should the use cases be in the spec?
  211. # [18:39] <annevk> [discussion about the use cases]
  212. # [18:40] * Bert is aware that the most important case is also the most difficult one: the diagonal table headers :-(
  213. # [18:40] * glazou yes Bert
  214. # [18:41] * annevk notes 3 parties are implementing "simple" transforms
  215. # [18:41] <annevk> DG: we have two choices now: work this out or drop it
  216. # [18:41] <annevk> DG: we still have 3d transforms, animations and transitions
  217. # [18:41] <sylvaing> can we publish the properties implemented by Apple, Mozilla and Safari and allay SZ's objection ?
  218. # [18:41] <annevk> SZ: I do not understand your two choices; we could discuss it at the F2F
  219. # [18:42] <annevk> DS: I cannot be at the F2F
  220. # [18:42] <annevk> DB: it has been discussed a lot on the mailing list too; I do not think everything needs to be decided during F2F meetings
  221. # [18:43] <annevk> CL: it is a modal thing, you do not have to have both
  222. # [18:43] <dsinger> and both cases are worth pursuing
  223. # [18:45] * dbaron thinks the diagonal table headers case should be solved with its own property rather than as a special case of a general property
  224. # [18:46] <annevk> DS: SZ and I can work out a paragraph
  225. # [18:46] <annevk> DS: to address this issue
  226. # [18:46] <annevk> Topic: transitions, animations, 3d transforms
  227. # [18:46] <annevk> DG: objections from BB to animations and 3d transforms
  228. # [18:47] <annevk> Avk: In favor of publishing
  229. # [18:47] * Bert thinks dbaron may be right: it's both simpler (only rotation, no other transforms) and more complex (non-rectangular boxes and borders).
  230. # [18:47] <annevk> s/Avk/AvK/
  231. # [18:47] <annevk> DG: In favor of publishing everything
  232. # [18:48] <annevk> DG: it seems there is consensus for these documents except that SZ and DS need to work out a paragraph
  233. # [18:48] <annevk> SZ: the animation stuff does not seem to fit with SMIL
  234. # [18:48] <annevk> DG: again it's only a WD
  235. # [18:48] <annevk> DG: it's probably going to be changed drastically based on comments
  236. # [18:48] <annevk> SZ: ok
  237. # [18:49] <annevk> DG: BB can you summarize your documents?
  238. # [18:49] <annevk> s/documents/comments/
  239. # [18:49] <annevk> BB: transitions I like after we've done more important stuff
  240. # [18:49] <annevk> BB: 2d transforms is fine as well, again no priority
  241. # [18:49] <annevk> BB: 3d transforms is outside my world, I don't want to think about that at all
  242. # [18:49] <annevk> BB: animations seems really way too complex
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  244. # [18:49] <annevk> BB: this WD with this syntax is not worth publishing
  245. # [18:50] <annevk> BB: I agree with SZ that 2D transforms that affect layout are better
  246. # [18:51] <annevk> DS: we did settle on the new charter, right?
  247. # [18:51] <annevk> Several: yes
  248. # [18:52] <ChrisL> charter http://www.w3.org/Style/2008/css-charter.html linked from http://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
  249. # [18:52] <annevk> DG: most people agree with publishing the new documents; 2 comments on 2D Transforms; and BB is not in favor of publishing one document
  250. # [18:52] <annevk> DG: DS and SZ work out the issue and we're going to publish these four documents as soon as possible
  251. # [18:53] <dbaron> (Note that when I said I think they'll progress at different rates... my guess would be fastest-to-slowest as 2D transforms, transitions, animations, 3D transforms)
  252. # [18:53] * ChrisL demoes transforms at a conference around 10 years ago ....
  253. # [18:53] <annevk> DG: at a conference people were really happy with transforms by the way
  254. # [18:53] * Bert : new charter now linked. Sorry for not noticing that earlier.
  255. # [18:53] * annevk demoes Mario games from 10 years ago
  256. # [18:54] <annevk> EE: I would like to discuss Selectors
  257. # [18:54] <annevk> Topic: Selectors
  258. # [18:54] <dbaron> The hypertext CG seems like the wrong place to discuss that.
  259. # [18:54] <annevk> DG: We discussed this during the HCG and the Unicode Normalization issue needs to be resolved first.
  260. # [18:55] <annevk> DG: The i18n WG will come up with something in two weeks time
  261. # [18:55] <annevk> EE: I do not want to wait for the i18n WG, XML WG, etc.
  262. # [18:55] <ChrisL> a coordination issue between two wgs seems a reasonable thing for a coordination group to discuss
  263. # [18:55] <annevk> EE: I do not want to wait three months
  264. # [18:55] <annevk> DB: I would probably raise a Formal Objection to any change to the Selectors document that involves Unicode Normalization
  265. # [18:56] <annevk> DB: on the grounds that it is way too complicated
  266. # [18:56] <dbaron> to any solution to the unicode normalization issue that involves a change to the selectors document
  267. # [18:56] <annevk> DG: We raised an architectural issue to the HCG and TAG and asked the experts what they think about this.
  268. # [18:56] <annevk> DG: They do their best to reply in a reasonable time
  269. # [18:57] <ChrisL> they said two weeks
  270. # [18:57] <annevk> DB: I think that having the discussion on a private HCG mailing list is the wrong place to do this
  271. # [18:57] <annevk> DG: That's a separate issue and we cannot discuss that here
  272. # [18:57] <annevk> SZ: I'm confused. I think two separate discussions are going on.
  273. # [18:58] <annevk> SZ: 1) Do we need to do something about Unicode Normalization in CSS? I think the general feeling is "yes". 2) Can we figure out the Selectors issue without figuring out what to do with CSS as a whole?
  274. # [18:58] <annevk> SZ: I'm not sure what the i18n WG is tasked to do
  275. # [18:58] <annevk> SZ: I agree with DB that a solution that just affects Selectors is not the right answer to the broader question
  276. # [18:59] <annevk> SZ: In Tokyo we might be able to reach a resolution.
  277. # [18:59] <annevk> EE: I think this involves a lot of WGs
  278. # [19:00] <annevk> DB: This involves TC39, HTML WG, and maybe the XML Core WG
  279. # [19:00] <annevk> s/TC39/ECMA TC39/
  280. # [19:00] <annevk> DB: I think what should be up for discussion is a different stage in the processing model
  281. # [19:01] <annevk> SZ: I agree with DB
  282. # [19:01] <annevk> SZ: When does Unicode Normalization gets done
  283. # [19:01] <annevk> DS: 1) Can you do simple comparison because normalization has been done. 2) Does the comparison need to be more complicated?
  284. # [19:02] <annevk> SZ: This blocks because at LC you are supposed to be rid of issues
  285. # [19:02] <annevk> DG: I'm fine with waiting because somebody is dealing with this
  286. # [19:03] <annevk> CL: Either you discuss the proposed solution. If it doesn't come, you can move ahead anyway and not address it.
  287. # [19:03] <annevk> [that might not be entirely accurate, sorry]
  288. # [19:04] <annevk> SZ: One technique we used where we can't agree is to move the solution to Selectors N+1 and say in Selectors N that is not defined in the specification.
  289. # [19:04] <annevk> SZ: I propose that as a fallback in case we cannot reach a solution in two weeks
  290. # [19:04] <annevk> DG: I do not want to release the document now and modify it based on feedback from the i18n WG later.
  291. # [19:04] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  292. # [19:05] <annevk> EE: I can wait two weeks, but not five months; we have depencies
  293. # [19:05] <annevk> s/depencies/dependencies/
  294. # [19:06] <annevk> [e.g. Selectors API, XBL 2.0, ...]
  295. # [19:06] <fantasai> We need to update the draft
  296. # [19:06] <annevk> DB: I think we should still go to LC
  297. # [19:07] <annevk> DB: in two weeks
  298. # [19:07] <annevk> [agreement]
  299. # [19:07] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  300. # [19:07] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  301. # [19:07] <annevk> [}]
  302. # [19:07] <Zakim> -sylvaing
  303. # [19:07] <dsinger> bye
  304. # [19:07] <Zakim> -fantasai
  305. # [19:07] <Zakim> -annevk
  306. # [19:07] <annevk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  307. # [19:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-minutes.html annevk
  308. # [19:07] <Zakim> -Bert
  309. # [19:07] <Zakim> -glazou
  310. # [19:08] * annevk wonders how publication of minutes normally happens
  311. # [19:08] <Zakim> -howcome
  312. # [19:08] * Bert : use "rrsagent, draft minutes"
  313. # [19:09] * Bert : then look them over, do some s/// or download and edit.
  314. # [19:09] * Bert : and if you've done s///, do another "rrsagent, draft minutes.
  315. # [19:10] * Quits: glazou (glazou@80.118.184.70) (Quit: bbl)
  316. # [19:10] * Quits: dsinger (dsinger@17.202.35.52) (Quit: dsinger)
  317. # [19:10] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  318. # [19:10] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  319. # [19:10] * Bert : then send a pointer to w3c-css-wg, preferrably with a plain-text version attached
  320. # [19:11] <ChrisL> You can look at http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-minutes.html,text to get a plain-text version
  321. # [19:12] * Bert : you might also put a list of resolutions on the CSS WG blog, or ask Elika to be so kind to do it for you :-)
  322. # [19:13] <annevk> there are no resolutions
  323. # [19:13] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Apple], in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
  324. # [19:13] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  325. # [19:13] <Zakim> Attendees were dsinger, glazou, +1.206.324.aaaa, sylvaing, Bert, annevk, David_Baron, fantasai, ChrisL, SteveZ, howcome
  326. # [19:13] <ChrisL> Chair: Daniel
  327. # [19:13] <ChrisL> Present: dsinger, glazou, +1.206.324.aaaa, sylvaing, Bert, annevk, David_Baron, fantasai, ChrisL, SteveZ, howcome
  328. # [19:13] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  329. # [19:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/18-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  330. # [19:32] * Joins: arronei (arronei@131.107.0.86)
  331. # [19:45] * Quits: ChrisL (ChrisL@128.30.52.30) (Client exited)
  332. # [20:50] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
  333. # [20:50] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30)
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  336. # [23:12] * Joins: ChrisL (ChrisL@128.30.52.30)
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  338. # Session Close: Thu Feb 19 00:00:01 2009

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