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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 25 00:00:00 2009
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  5. # [03:21] <dsinger> Testing please ignore
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  7. # [03:45] <anne> for calc() we might also need to define that some properties start getting ignored at use time rather than parse time
  8. # [03:45] <anne> e.g. (1em-16px) can get negative if the user resizes things
  9. # [04:57] <fantasai> define "ignore"
  10. # [05:00] <fantasai> and send it to www-style, I don't think howcome tracks issues on #css :)
  11. # [05:03] <anne> x { width:-16px; width:16px } versus x { width:calc(1em-16px); width:16px }
  12. # [05:03] <anne> I don't really know what the exact issue is, just thaat ther be one :)
  13. # [05:10] <fantasai> you mean, in the opposite order
  14. # [05:10] <fantasai> in that particular case you'd just get width: 16px in both cases
  15. # [05:10] <fantasai> very simple
  16. # [05:11] <fantasai> but -16px gets thrown out at parse time
  17. # [05:11] <fantasai> whereas you can't do that with calc(1em-16px)
  18. # [05:11] <fantasai> since style resolution happens after parsing and cascading
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  20. # [05:19] <anne> oh yeah, in opposite order
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  26. # [08:26] <jdaggett> anne: ping
  27. # [08:31] <anne> hey
  28. # [08:31] <anne> any chance tomorrow would work for you?
  29. # [08:31] <jdaggett> sure!
  30. # [08:31] <jdaggett> lunch is ok? i have a class in the evening
  31. # [08:32] <anne> yeah and can I bring a friend (mike smith, w3c)?
  32. # [08:32] <jdaggett> sure, sounds good
  33. # [08:32] <jdaggett> anytime is fine
  34. # [08:32] <jdaggett> you know how to get here?
  35. # [08:32] <anne> mike does :)
  36. # [08:32] <jdaggett> ok, cool
  37. # [08:33] <anne> we'll be there between 12-2 then
  38. # [08:33] <jdaggett> great
  39. # [08:33] <jdaggett> call me if something comes up
  40. # [08:33] <anne> kk
  41. # [08:34] <jdaggett> by the way, how many folks from opera japan are coming next week?
  42. # [08:35] <jdaggett> you mentioned a couple folks were interested in vertical layout discussions
  43. # [08:35] <jdaggett> they're coming just wed aft (JLTF meeting)?
  44. # [08:37] <jdaggett> anne: ^
  45. # [08:38] <anne> so it seems like it might be one
  46. # [08:38] <anne> and he's not sure whether he can make it:/
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  48. # [08:39] <jdaggett> ok
  49. # [08:40] <anne> and it would be just be for that wednesday afternoon, yeah
  50. # [08:40] <jdaggett> k
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  68. # [17:56] <plinss> zakim, this will be style
  69. # [17:56] <Zakim> ok, plinss; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
  70. # [17:58] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  71. # [17:58] <Zakim> + +1.253.307.aaaa
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  73. # [17:59] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  74. # [17:59] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.253.307.aaaa
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  76. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.858.354.aaaa
  77. # [18:00] <plinss> zakim, +1.858.354 is me
  78. # [18:00] <Zakim> +plinss; got it
  79. # [18:01] <Zakim> +dsinger
  80. # [18:01] <Zakim> -dsinger
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  84. # [18:01] <plinss> zakim, +1.253.307 is arronei
  85. # [18:01] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  86. # [18:01] <dsinger> Zakim, mute me
  87. # [18:01] <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
  88. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  89. # [18:02] <dsinger> Good morning ... On bus as usual
  90. # [18:02] <plinss> morning David
  91. # [18:04] <plinss> zakim, [microsoft] has sylvaing
  92. # [18:04] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  93. # [18:04] <dsinger> Zakim, who is here?
  94. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, dsinger (muted), arronei, [Microsoft]
  95. # [18:05] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  96. # [18:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see dsinger, RRSAgent, Zakim, arronei, fantasai, plinss_, shepazu, jdaggett, plinss, Bert, krijnh, trackbot, Hixie
  97. # [18:05] <dsinger> Ah, do we have a chair?
  98. # [18:05] <plinss> yes
  99. # [18:06] <dsinger> Cool
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  102. # [18:07] <dsinger> I will have to stop at 9:55 btw
  103. # [18:07] <Zakim> +ChrisL
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  108. # [18:10] <dsinger> P10 must be fantasai?
  109. # [18:10] <ChrisL> zakim, ??p10 is probably fantasai
  110. # [18:10] <Zakim> +fantasai?; got it
  111. # [18:11] <ChrisL> scribe: chris
  112. # [18:11] <Zakim> +howcome
  113. # [18:11] <ChrisL> scribenick: chrisl
  114. # [18:12] <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
  115. # [18:12] <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-irc#T17-09-05
  116. # [18:12] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
  117. # [18:12] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ChrisL
  118. # [18:12] <ChrisL> topic: @import
  119. # [18:12] <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Feb/0119.html
  120. # [18:13] <ChrisL> cl: sent some email about multiple @rules clamouring to be 'first'
  121. # [18:13] <ChrisL> zakim, who is speaking?
  122. # [18:13] <Zakim> ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (64%), ChrisL (63%), Bert (4%), howcome (5%)
  123. # [18:14] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  124. # [18:14] <Zakim> sylvaing was already listed in [Microsoft], sylvaing
  125. # [18:14] <ChrisL> sg: need to distinguish functionaly valid from syntactically valid
  126. # [18:15] <ChrisL> hl: we should use the canonoical CSS syntax
  127. # [18:15] <ChrisL> pl: agree with chris point but its not related to the current issue
  128. # [18:15] <ChrisL> ... so the current case seems like a problem
  129. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Melinda_Grant
  130. # [18:16] <ChrisL> hl; problematic, use the eternal syntax not the css 1, 2 or 3 syntax
  131. # [18:16] <ChrisL> db: so implementations that dont implement that currently will need to do so, to see if some junk fits the eternal synbtax
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  133. # [18:17] <ChrisL> ee: we don't wat to cut off extensibility
  134. # [18:17] <ChrisL> sl: the specific test case in anne's emailis gramatically correct, but implementations differ
  135. # [18:18] <ChrisL> ae: in fact it is invalid due to leading numeric
  136. # [18:19] <ChrisL> pl: would not allow a valid rule, but would allow known or unknown @rules.
  137. # [18:19] <ChrisL> hl: yes
  138. # [18:19] <ChrisL> cl: i agree
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  140. # [18:19] <ChrisL> so in the anne test case, its not an @rule.
  141. # [18:20] <ChrisL> sl: spec talks about valid statements, not @rules specifically. but this is not a valid statement
  142. # [18:20] <ChrisL> hl: bert?
  143. # [18:20] <ChrisL> bb: don't want it to load, as the rule ight be valid in the future. need to stop it loading
  144. # [18:21] <ChrisL> sl: butbrowsers do load these currently
  145. # [18:21] <ChrisL> hl: they should not
  146. # [18:21] <ChrisL> bb: some day we may invent an @rule that has to come before an @import
  147. # [18:22] <ChrisL> cl: @charset isn't an @rule
  148. # [18:22] <ChrisL> bb: no, its special cased in the grammar
  149. # [18:22] <Zakim> -arronei
  150. # [18:22] <ChrisL> ae: yes but its reparsed as an @rule once the charset is detected
  151. # [18:22] <ChrisL> bb: no
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  153. # [18:23] <ChrisL> sl: spec says @import cannot come after a valid statement. but this is not a valid sytatement.
  154. # [18:23] <ChrisL> bb: its correct
  155. # [18:23] <ChrisL> bb: its a normal token,
  156. # [18:24] <ChrisL> sl: which meaning of valid do we mean here. succesfully parsed, or known and can be applied?
  157. # [18:24] <ChrisL> pl: the former
  158. # [18:24] <ChrisL> hl: we cn say there should be nothing ahead of @import except @charset. removes need to discuss 'valid'
  159. # [18:25] <ChrisL> db: has anyone looked at whatwebkit does? do not want to get into non-interoperable behaviour
  160. # [18:25] <ChrisL> .. what exactly does webkit to to accept or reject this @rule?
  161. # [18:26] <ChrisL> hl: if we can agree on a simple workable solution we can test it against implementations
  162. # [18:26] <fantasai> db: The solution we use in Gecko is, if it parses into something that we know about, then we drop following @import rules
  163. # [18:26] <ChrisL> db: in gecko, if the rule is dropped then we continue to process the @rule
  164. # [18:26] <ChrisL> hl; easy to flag if something has been dropped
  165. # [18:27] <ChrisL> db: an extra semicolon at end of time - would that cause the @import to be dropped?
  166. # [18:27] <ChrisL> hl: no
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  168. # [18:27] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  169. # [18:27] <Zakim> -dsinger
  170. # [18:27] <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
  171. # [18:27] <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
  172. # [18:27] <ChrisL> ee: do you drop @import after an invalid selector? eg two commas
  173. # [18:28] <fantasai> or an unknown pseudo
  174. # [18:28] <ChrisL> db: yes so following @import would be allowed
  175. # [18:28] <ChrisL> bb: suggest we allow empty stements, space, cdo cdc, nothing else
  176. # [18:28] <fantasai> s/allowed/loaded/
  177. # [18:28] <ChrisL> s/stements/statements/
  178. # [18:29] <ChrisL> plh: its reasonable but not forward compatible
  179. # [18:29] <ChrisL> db: properties not an issue as they are inside the rules, . error in selctor forces rule to be dropped
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  181. # [18:30] <ChrisL> bb; concerned about things that could be valid in the future
  182. # [18:30] <ChrisL> db: spec id clear on rules being ignored. if spec must be ignored it can't trigger other things
  183. # [18:30] <ChrisL> cl: so ignored means treat as if it was never there
  184. # [18:31] <ChrisL> db: we have that issue witha lot of things. dont want future stylesheets to break completely
  185. # [18:31] <ChrisL> pl: issue is that if the rule becomes valid tomorrow, it stops the @import loading
  186. # [18:32] <ChrisL> sl: this can happen today, ie8 does not support :: for example so following import will load but later, or in other browsers, it will be skipped
  187. # [18:33] <ChrisL> cl: how much existing content would break if the spec said nothing before @import?
  188. # [18:33] <ChrisL> hl: little to none
  189. # [18:34] <ChrisL> pl: would require changes in implementations though
  190. # [18:34] <ChrisL> ee: any @rules that are dropped should be allowed before @import
  191. # [18:35] <ChrisL> db: media queries changed syntax f @import. its not valid css2. so does non-media-queries implementsation drop?
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  193. # [18:35] <dbaron> example was, given two rules: @import url(foo) (min-width:800px); @import url(bar);
  194. # [18:35] <ChrisL> pl: there are implementations that do not support media queries
  195. # [18:35] * ChrisL thanks
  196. # [18:35] <dbaron> implementations without media queries skip the first; with this change would we also require them to skip the second?
  197. # [18:36] <fantasai> I strongly believe that we should allow dropped @rules before @import
  198. # [18:36] <ChrisL> ee: we should allow any (currently invalid) @rule before @import
  199. # [18:36] <ChrisL> sl: invalid or unknown?
  200. # [18:36] <ChrisL> cl: unknown
  201. # [18:36] <ChrisL> hl: can live with
  202. # [18:37] <ChrisL> ee: and also as bert said, empty statements and cdo cdc
  203. # [18:38] <ChrisL> pl; odd that current @rules would block @import
  204. # [18:38] <ChrisL> db: thats ok and we want it for forward compat
  205. # [18:38] <ChrisL> ee: adding @rule before @import is pretty rare. less of an issue than withselectors
  206. # [18:39] <dbaron> so if you only allow unknown @-rules and don't allow anything that's not an @-rule, don't you end up distinguishing between:
  207. # [18:39] <dbaron> @new-rule {}
  208. # [18:39] <ChrisL> pl: issue is known @rules not supported by older browsers
  209. # [18:39] <dbaron> @new-rule {}; /* extra semicolon at end */
  210. # [18:39] <ChrisL> pl: covered by emptystatement rule
  211. # [18:40] <ChrisL> db; we have a concept of empty statement?
  212. # [18:40] <ChrisL> bb: would need to be defined in spec, but its clear
  213. # [18:40] <ChrisL> pl; i detect consensus
  214. # [18:42] <plinss> the current proposal is: disallow any statements before @import except: empty statements, comment tokens, and unknown, but wel-formed @rules
  215. # [18:42] <ChrisL> ee: unknown or invalid
  216. # [18:42] <fantasai> @foo;
  217. # [18:42] <ChrisL> sl: it says unknown but wel formed
  218. # [18:42] <fantasai> @import;
  219. # [18:43] <fantasai> @namespace *;
  220. # [18:43] <ChrisL> bb: grammar does not seem to allow empty statements
  221. # [18:43] <ChrisL> ee: anything that has been ignored
  222. # [18:43] <dbaron> yeah, maybe the extra-semicolon thing causes the next selector/rule to be ignored at present
  223. # [18:44] <fantasai> that starts with an @sign
  224. # [18:44] <ChrisL> s/anything/anything starting @/
  225. # [18:44] <fantasai> @1;
  226. # [18:44] <fantasai> @import "style.css";
  227. # [18:44] <ChrisL> ee: @1; does not parse as an at-rule
  228. # [18:44] <ChrisL> bb; neither a selector nor an @rule
  229. # [18:45] <ChrisL> sl; has to parse as an @rule first, then the rule is applied
  230. # [18:45] <ChrisL> pl: so @1; would block @import
  231. # [18:45] <ChrisL> cl: yes
  232. # [18:46] <ChrisL> (no objection heard)
  233. # [18:46] <dbaron> I think it would be good to see the proposal actually written up.
  234. # [18:46] <dbaron> This is rather hard to follow with lots of abstract statements.
  235. # [18:46] <fantasai> I agree
  236. # [18:47] <ChrisL> dbaron - yes, but if we resolve it then someone can get an action to write it up in detail
  237. # [18:47] <ChrisL> bb: (error recovery - scribe missed)
  238. # [18:47] <dbaron> I think we should action somebody to write it up without resolving.
  239. # [18:48] <ChrisL> trackbot, status
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  241. # [18:48] <ChrisL> action; sylvian to write up the proposal on @import and unknown well formed @rules
  242. # [18:48] <ChrisL> action: sylvian to write up the proposal on @import and unknown well formed @rules
  243. # [18:48] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  244. # [18:48] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - sylvian
  245. # [18:48] * RRSAgent records action 1
  246. # [18:48] <Bert> (Issue 24 is about recovering from invalid tokens when inside a selector. The ; in @1; is such an invalid token. What to do? Skip to the next {}?)
  247. # [18:48] <fantasai> Sylvain
  248. # [18:49] <ChrisL> action: sylvain to write up the proposal on @import and unknown well formed @rules
  249. # [18:49] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  250. # [18:49] * RRSAgent records action 2
  251. # [18:49] <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Write up the proposal on @import and unknown well formed @rules [on Sylvain Galineau - due 2009-03-04].
  252. # [18:49] * ChrisL woohoo
  253. # [18:49] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-102
  254. # [18:49] <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-106
  255. # [18:49] <ChrisL> topic: issue-24
  256. # [18:49] <plinss> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-24
  257. # [18:49] <ChrisL> issue-24?
  258. # [18:49] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-24
  259. # [18:49] <trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Does the 'background' shorthand needs both clip and origin? -- CLOSED
  260. # [18:49] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/24
  261. # [18:50] <ChrisL> pl: not that one
  262. # [18:50] <ChrisL> oops,css2.1 issue not tracker issue. ifnore above
  263. # [18:50] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Nov/0509.html
  264. # [18:51] <ChrisL> ee: we wanted to requie matching brackets, the change we made to fix this solves selectors but adds a new problem for
  265. # [18:51] <ChrisL> ... declarations
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  267. # [18:52] <ChrisL> ... makes the trap point for an invalid declaration to be astatement not a declaration
  268. # [18:52] <ChrisL> ... so a rue with an invalid statement will be completely ignored instead of justthat statement
  269. # [18:52] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Dec/0091.html
  270. # [18:53] <ChrisL> ee: so we need to go back and replace with 'statement ordeclaration'. or duplicate the rule, one for malformed statement and one for malformed declarations
  271. # [18:54] <ChrisL> bb: statement or declaration is probably correct. problem is the section is called malformed declarations
  272. # [18:54] <ChrisL> ee: change all occurences
  273. # [18:54] <ChrisL> bb: would work
  274. # [18:55] <ChrisL> bb: so if you are in a declaration, skip to end of declaration
  275. # [18:55] <ChrisL> bb: yes, think its correct
  276. # [18:55] <ChrisL> cl: so there are two proposals
  277. # [18:56] <ChrisL> ee: scope of changes is only one paragraph
  278. # [18:57] <ChrisL> bb; edge case, when inside a selector, if the token in error is at or before the start of the selector. what are you 'in'
  279. # [18:57] <ChrisL> ee: a statement
  280. # [18:57] <ChrisL> bb: what kind?
  281. # [18:57] <ChrisL> ee: you don;t know at that point
  282. # [18:57] <ChrisL> bb: so ignore that singe token?
  283. # [18:57] <ChrisL> ee: treat it as a selector, dont ignore that token.
  284. # [18:58] <ChrisL> bb: talking of tokens thatare disallowed by the grammar
  285. # [18:58] <ChrisL> bb: colon is allowed, better example ....
  286. # [18:58] <ChrisL> ... closing brace for example
  287. # [18:58] <ChrisL> ee: if its not an @rule, treat as aselector
  288. # [18:59] <ChrisL> bb: fine with me. deals with future expansion
  289. # [18:59] <ChrisL> pl: other opinions?
  290. # [19:00] <ChrisL> bb: hard to follow without examples
  291. # [19:00] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  292. # [19:00] <dsinger> bye...another meeting, sorry
  293. # [19:00] <ChrisL> pl: can we resolve here or do we need more discussion?
  294. # [19:01] <dbaron> (Confusion about what we would be resolving on.)
  295. # [19:01] * dbaron Zakim, who is noisy?
  296. # [19:01] * Zakim dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fantasai? (63%), ChrisL (50%), Bert (5%), howcome (8%)
  297. # [19:02] <ChrisL> action: bert to propose specific wording on complete text for what is inserted and deleted for bracket/quote parsing
  298. # [19:02] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  299. # [19:02] * RRSAgent records action 3
  300. # [19:02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Propose specific wording on complete text for what is inserted and deleted for bracket/quote parsing [on Bert Bos - due 2009-03-04].
  301. # [19:02] <ChrisL> ee: is it solved with two separate rules?
  302. # [19:02] <ChrisL> bb: not sure
  303. # [19:03] <ChrisL> pl: why dont you two work together onthat action so it can be closed quickly
  304. # [19:03] <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
  305. # [19:03] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.858.354.aaaa, plinss, dsinger, +1.253.307.aabb, arronei, sylvaing, ChrisL, Bert, David_Baron, fantasai?, howcome, Melinda_Grant
  306. # [19:03] <ChrisL> chair: Peter
  307. # [19:03] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  308. # [19:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  309. # [19:05] <Zakim> -howcome
  310. # [19:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  311. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Melinda_Grant
  312. # [19:05] <Zakim> -ChrisL
  313. # [19:05] <Zakim> -plinss
  314. # [19:05] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  315. # [19:05] <Zakim> -Bert
  316. # [19:05] <Zakim> -fantasai?
  317. # [19:05] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  318. # [19:05] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.354.aaaa, plinss, dsinger, +1.253.307.aabb, arronei, sylvaing, ChrisL, Bert, David_Baron, fantasai?, howcome, Melinda_Grant
  319. # [19:05] <ChrisL> Meeting: CSS telcon
  320. # [19:05] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  321. # [19:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  322. # [19:05] <dbaron> I assume no telecon next week since it'll be 2-3am between the first and second day of the f2f meeting
  323. # [19:06] <ChrisL> zakim, where is 858?
  324. # [19:06] <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
  325. # [19:06] <ChrisL> zakim, where is 253?
  326. # [19:06] <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.253 is Washington
  327. # [19:06] <arronei> 253 was arronei
  328. # [19:06] <dbaron> 858 is San Diego
  329. # [19:06] <ChrisL> dbaron, that seems a safe assumption
  330. # [19:06] <plinss> chris: 858 was me
  331. # [19:06] <dbaron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_858
  332. # [19:07] <ChrisL> ok, they are both listed explicitly in the attendance list already
  333. # [19:07] <ChrisL> Present: plinss, dsinger, arronei, sylvaing, ChrisL, Bert, David_Baron, fantasai, howcome, Melinda_Grant
  334. # [19:07] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  335. # [19:07] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  336. # [19:09] * Quits: sylvaing (sylvaing@131.107.0.71) (Ping timeout)
  337. # [19:18] <ChrisL> regrets: szilles, daniel, emily, molly, anne
  338. # [19:18] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  339. # [19:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  340. # [19:19] <ChrisL> s/ifnore/ignore/
  341. # [19:20] <ChrisL> s/bb;/bb:/g
  342. # [19:20] <ChrisL> s/sl;/sl:/g
  343. # [19:20] <ChrisL> s/pl;/pl:/g
  344. # [19:21] <ChrisL> s/db;/db:/g
  345. # [19:21] <ChrisL> s/hl;/hl:/g
  346. # [19:21] <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
  347. # [19:21] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-css-minutes.html ChrisL
  348. # [19:23] * Joins: sylvaing (sylvaing@131.107.0.102)
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  351. # [19:47] * Quits: ChrisL (ChrisL@128.30.52.30) (Client exited)
  352. # [20:33] * Quits: dsinger (dsinger@17.202.35.52) (Quit: dsinger)
  353. # [20:44] * Quits: dbaron (dbaron@98.234.51.190) (Quit: 8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.)
  354. # [20:57] * Quits: melinda (melinda.gr@67.47.246.6) (Connection reset by peer)
  355. # [21:03] * Joins: melinda (melinda.gr@67.47.246.6)
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  358. # [21:09] * Quits: melinda (melinda.gr@67.47.246.6) (Quit: melinda)
  359. # [21:31] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
  360. # [21:31] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30)
  361. # [21:40] * Joins: sylvaing (sylvaing@131.107.0.71)
  362. # Session Close: Thu Feb 26 00:00:00 2009

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