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- # Session Start: Mon Mar 02 00:00:00 2009
- # Session Ident: #css
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- # [03:41] <fantasai> jdaggett: yt?
- # [04:17] <jdaggett> fantasai: hey
- # [04:18] <jdaggett> gone to lunch perhaps...
- # [05:40] <fantasai> jdaggett: ready whenever you are
- # [05:41] <jdaggett> ok, just listing agenda requests
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- # [07:13] <glazou> hello
- # [07:29] <fantasai> hello
- # [07:31] <fantasai> jdaggett: I'll come tomorrow :)
- # [07:31] <jdaggett> cool!
- # [07:31] <jdaggett> glazou: just to confirm, you're not coming to tokyo this week?
- # [07:32] <glazou> hi jdaggett
- # [07:32] <glazou> glazou: correct, that's impossible for budget reasons, unfortunately ; you know how much I like Tokyo and I *deeply* regret it
- # [07:32] <jdaggett> ah, too bad
- # [07:33] <glazou> I was really hoping to be back in tokyo
- # [07:33] <jdaggett> fantasai and i discussed the agenda briefly
- # [07:33] <glazou> but I can't, that would not be reasonable from a budget POV
- # [07:33] <jdaggett> i'm going to update the wiki/f2f page
- # [07:33] <glazou> ok
- # [07:34] <glazou> so chrisL is going to chair and is certainly going to have the agenda as 1st agenda item
- # [07:34] <jdaggett> that's fine
- # [07:35] <jdaggett> we can meld the various agendas
- # [07:35] <jdaggett> i was concerned about the jltf discussion
- # [07:35] <jdaggett> since this will be unknown material for some folks
- # [07:35] <glazou> yes
- # [07:35] <glazou> but that's often the case with joint meetings
- # [07:35] <jdaggett> yeah
- # [07:36] <jdaggett> i'm thinking it would make sense to discuss future meeting plans late thursday
- # [07:36] <glazou> because joint meetings are often dealing with very special issues not everyone is interested in
- # [07:36] <glazou> that's life
- # [07:36] <jdaggett> so both you/peter can participate
- # [07:36] <glazou> yes
- # [07:36] <glazou> yes
- # [07:36] <jdaggett> without loss of sleep ;)
- # [07:37] <glazou> what time is it in tokyo now ?
- # [07:37] <jdaggett> 3:33
- # [07:37] <jdaggett> pm
- # [07:37] <glazou> oh cool
- # [07:37] <glazou> so you can schedule that chat any time starting thursday 3pm
- # [07:37] <jdaggett> i don't think you want to participate in meetings early am tokyo time ;)
- # [07:37] <jdaggett> sounds good
- # [07:37] <glazou> nah :)
- # [07:37] <glazou> cool
- # [07:37] <jdaggett> did you discuss agenda items with chris l?
- # [07:38] <glazou> the WG should really consider dropping at least one overseas trip per year
- # [07:38] <glazou> we are all in times of budget contraction
- # [07:38] <jdaggett> so 2 F2f meetings?
- # [07:38] <glazou> nope, could not
- # [07:38] <glazou> 2 or 3 instead of 4
- # [07:38] <glazou> even Bert can do only one trip overseas per year now
- # [07:38] <glazou> W3C policy
- # [07:39] <jdaggett> 2 is better for me anyways
- # [07:39] <glazou> and I think Moilla policy on that will change this term
- # [07:39] <glazou> Mozilla
- # [07:39] <jdaggett> dunno, i think my constraint is more family than budget
- # [07:40] <jdaggett> but that's just me
- # [07:40] <jdaggett> should we still have the june f2f?
- # [07:40] <jdaggett> as planned
- # [07:41] <glazou> that's the one in france right ?
- # [07:41] <glazou> Bert should host
- # [07:41] <jdaggett> yes
- # [07:41] <glazou> the only reasonable answer is "ask the WG"
- # [07:41] <glazou> Bert and I will have less travel problems :)
- # [07:41] <glazou> but others...
- # [07:41] <jdaggett> yeah, sure
- # [07:41] <glazou> see /query jdaggett
- # [07:41] <glazou> I have to run, take the kids to school
- # [07:41] <jdaggett> ok
- # [07:42] <glazou> bye
- # [07:47] <fantasai> shepazu: is there a spec anywhere that says what to do with an <img src=""> or background: url() reference to an <svg> that is a descendant of the root <svg>?
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- # [07:48] <shepazu> fantasai: I don't believe any spec currently says what to do with SVG as an <img> or CSS url() ref at all
- # [07:48] <shepazu> this is something I'm addressing in SVG 2.0
- # [07:48] <shepazu> but that's a good edge case
- # [08:03] <fantasai> I thought referring to the svg element itself was well-defined?
- # [08:03] <fantasai> shepazu: ^
- # [08:03] <fantasai> er
- # [08:03] <fantasai> s/element/document/
- # [08:04] <shepazu> I don't think so, no
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- # [08:06] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/concepts.html#UsageOptions is a well-defined as it gets
- # [08:08] <shepazu> I wrote up this, as a test and start on defining it: http://www.schepers.cc/svg/blendups/embedding.html
- # [08:09] <shepazu> fantasai: ^^
- # [08:11] <fantasai> so, I don't think you need to specify all the different ways SVG can be embedded
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- # [08:12] <fantasai> shepazu: you need to specify what is displayed when an SVG is embedded and what dimensions it communicates to its context
- # [08:13] <fantasai> shepazu: the embedding spec would be responsible for saying how an image is placed, sized, etc. based on the image data and its dimensions
- # [08:13] <shepazu> we need to treat svg in an <img> differently than in <object>, etc. for security reasons
- # [08:13] <fantasai> shepazu: that should be in the HTML spec
- # [08:13] <shepazu> maybe so
- # [08:14] <fantasai> shepazu: you could add it in SVG spec as a note, but the normative wording should be under HTML
- # [08:14] <fantasai> shepazu: it's not SVG that's making the security distinction, it's HTML
- # [08:14] <fantasai> shepazu: <img> vs <object>
- # [08:14] <shepazu> I understand that
- # [08:14] <shepazu> I reckon we'll coordinate with the HTML WG
- # [08:16] <shepazu> I do want to put something in SVG for context and completeness, even though it might be informative
- # [08:17] <shepazu> and to talk about the various embedding capabilities (whether animations run, etc.)
- # [08:17] <fantasai> yeah, sure
- # [08:18] <shepazu> the Widgets spec wanted to refer to a specific set of capabilities for SVG as an icon, but I couldn't give them a pointer... it should run declarative animations, but not script, etc.
- # [08:18] <shepazu> and some things, like external references, might not work...
- # [08:20] <fantasai> maybe make an SVG Embedding spec?
- # [08:20] <fantasai> where you can define subsets of capability
- # [08:21] <fantasai> that other specs can refer to?
- # [08:21] * fantasai is a fan of short specs
- # [08:21] <fantasai> :)
- # [08:21] <shepazu> I was just planning on doing that as sections within SVG 2
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- # [10:25] <dbaron> was anyone making dinner plans for tonight?
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- # [10:41] <dbaron> well, I guess I'll just grab something around here
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