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  1. # Session Start: Tue Mar 31 00:00:00 2009
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  19. # [10:29] <glazou> Bert: hi
  20. # [10:29] <Bert> Morning Daniel
  21. # [10:29] <glazou> the problem with that is that we don't have a firm decision from WG
  22. # [10:30] <glazou> apparently, answer is "we don't go to santa clara"
  23. # [10:30] <glazou> but
  24. # [10:30] <glazou> not firm
  25. # [10:31] <Bert> We don't? I thought we agreed we wanted to take part in a TP. Maybe I misinterpreted the discussion last week.
  26. # [10:31] <glazou> we said that TP had already too many positive answers
  27. # [10:32] <glazou> and that we wanted to investigate meeting with SVG open
  28. # [10:33] <Bert> The survey can't have too many answers, positive or not.
  29. # [10:33] <Bert> If we don't answer, the meeting planners don't know what we want.
  30. # [10:34] <glazou> I am afraid meeting with svg open is not going to happen because we need to find host/room/dates and such
  31. # [10:34] <glazou> I'm a bit enclined to answer positively to survey
  32. # [10:35] <glazou> what do you think?
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  34. # [10:36] <Bert> That was what I was going to do, if you didn't.
  35. # [10:37] <glazou> ok doing
  36. # [10:37] <glazou> roughly a dozen of WG members right ?
  37. # [10:38] <Bert> Yes, seems right.
  38. # [10:38] <glazou> let's stay 15 if everyone is here
  39. # [10:39] <glazou> Bert, my preference goes to end of week
  40. # [10:39] <glazou> what about you?
  41. # [10:40] <glazou> (5 and 6 nov)
  42. # [10:40] <Bert> I have no pref.
  43. # [10:41] <glazou> ok
  44. # [10:43] <anne> at the Tokyo F2F we said we wanted to meet wherever the WebApps/HTML/SVG WGs would be meeting
  45. # [10:44] <glazou> anne: yes, but just in case it does not work out, we must preserve the TPAC possibility
  46. # [10:44] <glazou> if we don't answer survey now...
  47. # [10:50] <Bert> SVG apparently decided to not go to the TP, so we can't meet with them, but HTML and WebApps plan to be there.
  48. # [10:53] <anne> right, I guess I'm saying we probably want to meet at TPAC
  49. # [11:00] <glazou> we cannot do both TPAC and SVG Open
  50. # [11:02] <MikeSmith> some members of SVG WG will be at TPAC anyway
  51. # [11:03] <MikeSmith> some that are members of WebApps or other groups
  52. # [11:15] <glazou> hey MikeSmith I just discovered that you quoted me in your slides, a quote from 2002 ;-)
  53. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> glazou: yep
  54. # [11:16] <glazou> eh
  55. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> that is a great quote
  56. # [11:16] <MikeSmith> they should have listened to you :)
  57. # [11:16] <glazou> oh I know
  58. # [11:17] <MikeSmith> quoted also here:
  59. # [11:17] <MikeSmith> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/history
  60. # [11:17] <glazou> looking
  61. # [11:18] <glazou> :)
  62. # [11:18] <MikeSmith> and here:
  63. # [11:18] <MikeSmith> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/XHTML2/objections
  64. # [11:19] <glazou> yes I saw that
  65. # [11:19] <glazou> thx
  66. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> about the prospect of merging the HTML5 and XHTML2 WGs (as discussed at the AC meeting), I saw someone said, "Worst of both worlds."
  67. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> but I can't remember where
  68. # [11:21] <glazou> LOL
  69. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> I guess I'm supposed to remain optimistic or at least neutral about that merging idea
  70. # [11:22] <glazou> you know what, I'm fed up with W3C staff never expressing personal opinions
  71. # [11:22] <glazou> pseudo-neutrality is counter-productive
  72. # [11:22] <MikeSmith> well, my personal opinion is this:
  73. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> when I was kid and I fought with my sister, my mother would make us go sit in a room together (I guess to force us to somehow find a way to get along together or something)
  74. # [11:24] <MikeSmith> but it just made us even angrier at each other
  75. # [11:24] <glazou> LOL
  76. # [11:24] <glazou> well said
  77. # [11:25] <MikeSmith> and others have told me that the best way to make a really good mess of things is to take people who are in really deep disagreement with each other, and put them into the same working group
  78. # [11:30] <jdaggett> glazou: just in case this helps, mozilla could probably host in mountain view at the time of the tpac if necessary
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  80. # [11:30] <glazou> ooh cool
  81. # [11:30] <glazou> thanks jdaggett
  82. # [11:30] <jdaggett> although it seems like adobe should be the one...
  83. # [11:30] <jdaggett> ;)
  84. # [11:30] <jdaggett> but, wait, san jose sucks...
  85. # [11:30] <jdaggett> never mind
  86. # [11:31] <glazou> no, I know a really perfect restaurant there :)
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  88. # [11:31] <jdaggett> heh
  89. # [11:31] <glazou> even two
  90. # [11:31] <glazou> one seafood
  91. # [11:31] <glazou> and one mexican where you can best quality if you speak spanish
  92. # [11:31] <jdaggett> naturally
  93. # [11:31] <jdaggett> well, by the fall mozilla will be in downtown mv
  94. # [11:32] <glazou> I know
  95. # [11:32] <jdaggett> which has *lots* of nice places
  96. # [11:32] <glazou> castro street eh ?
  97. # [11:32] <jdaggett> yup
  98. # [11:32] <glazou> btw jdaggett have you seen this ? http://tinyurl.com/c6efgv
  99. # [11:33] <jdaggett> interesting
  100. # [11:33] <glazou> yes
  101. # [11:33] <jdaggett> not sure that will work all the time though
  102. # [11:33] <glazou> I have not tried yet
  103. # [11:34] <jdaggett> and lots of folks definitely prefer cleartype
  104. # [11:34] <jdaggett> because it jiggles the positions to make the outlines sharper
  105. # [11:34] <jdaggett> it's very much a matter of taste...
  106. # [11:35] <jdaggett> and gdi++ is pretty much a dead api
  107. # [11:35] <jdaggett> joining microsoft's growing garden of dead api's
  108. # [11:36] <jdaggett> ;)
  109. # [11:36] <glazou> eheh
  110. # [11:36] <jdaggett> well, gotta run
  111. # [11:36] <jdaggett> time to pick up lilia
  112. # [11:37] <jdaggett> bye now
  113. # [11:39] <glazou> bye
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