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  28. # [17:59] <plinss__> zakim, this will be style
  29. # [17:59] <Zakim> ok, plinss__; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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  32. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-CSS-irc
  33. # [18:00] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
  34. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.858.354.aaaa
  35. # [18:01] <plinss__> zakm, +1.858.354 is me
  36. # [18:01] <plinss__> zakim, +1.858.354 is me
  37. # [18:01] <Zakim> +plinss__; got it
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  40. # [18:02] <glazou> Zakim, code?
  41. # [18:02] <Zakim> the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), glazou
  42. # [18:03] <glazou> grrr the bridge keeps telling me passcode is not valid
  43. # [18:03] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  44. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss__
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  47. # [18:04] <plinss__> hmmm, works for me...
  48. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  49. # [18:04] <Zakim> +glazou
  50. # [18:04] <glazou> ah finally
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  52. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Bert
  53. # [18:05] <dbaron> Zakim, who is noisy?
  54. # [18:05] <Zakim> dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: plinss__ (21%)
  55. # [18:05] <plinss__> calling back in...
  56. # [18:05] <Zakim> -plinss__
  57. # [18:05] <plinss__> echo now?
  58. # [18:05] <dbaron> Zakim, who is noisy?
  59. # [18:05] <Zakim> dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Mozilla] (94%), glazou (15%)
  60. # [18:05] <Zakim> -glazou
  61. # [18:05] <dbaron> glazou, no, the sound was my fault
  62. # [18:05] <Zakim> +plinss__
  63. # [18:06] <Zakim> +glazou
  64. # [18:06] <glazou> I still have the noise
  65. # [18:06] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  66. # [18:06] <dbaron> does that help?
  67. # [18:06] <glazou> YES
  68. # [18:06] <glazou> that's you dbaron
  69. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  70. # [18:06] <dbaron> it happened even when I muted
  71. # [18:06] <dbaron> wonderful
  72. # [18:07] <glazou> dbaron: so it's the line, not the microphone
  73. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P18
  74. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P19
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  79. # [18:09] <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
  80. # [18:10] <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (5%), ??P18 (14%), ??P19 (100%)
  81. # [18:11] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  82. # [18:11] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  83. # [18:11] <fantasai> zakim, mute ??P19
  84. # [18:11] <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted
  85. # [18:11] <fantasai> zakim, unmute ??P19
  86. # [18:11] <Zakim> ??P19 should no longer be muted
  87. # [18:12] <fantasai> zakim, who is here?
  88. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see Bert, plinss__, glazou, [Microsoft], ??P18, ??P19
  89. # [18:12] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  90. # [18:12] <Zakim> On IRC I see sylvaing, CesarAcebal, emilyw, arronei, dbaron, RRSAgent, Zakim, plinss__, glazou, MoZ, MikeSmith, karl, anne, myakura, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, Hixie, Bert,
  91. # [18:12] <Zakim> ... trackbot, krijnh
  92. # [18:12] <fantasai> zakim, ??P18 is fantasai
  93. # [18:12] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  94. # [18:12] * Parts: MikeSmith (MikeSmith@mcclure.w3.org) (Tomorrow to fresh woods, and pastures new.)
  95. # [18:12] * glazou has a strong migraine, so noise is painful
  96. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
  97. # [18:13] <dbaron> Zakim, mute [Mozilla]
  98. # [18:13] <Zakim> [Mozilla] should now be muted
  99. # [18:13] <dbaron> Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron
  100. # [18:13] <Zakim> +dbaron; got it
  101. # [18:14] * emilyw is here on IRC. :) My phone is a pain!
  102. # [18:15] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  103. # [18:15] <dbaron> Zakim, unmute [Mozilla]
  104. # [18:15] <Zakim> [Mozilla] should no longer be muted
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  106. # [18:16] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei
  107. # [18:16] <Zakim> +arronei; got it
  108. # [18:16] <fantasai> Topic: SVG property coordination
  109. # [18:16] <plinss__> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0001.html
  110. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: I think it's extremely good to see the SVG working group discussing these things with CSSWG
  111. # [18:17] <fantasai> glazou: But I'm not sure what actions should be done to help here
  112. # [18:19] <fantasai> fantasai: They mention some incompatibilities with 'width' and 'height', we should look into those
  113. # [18:19] <fantasai> fantasai: The other ones... they seem very strange for CSS properties, but I don't know what else to do with them
  114. # [18:19] <fantasai> Bert: Maybe Chris know about them?
  115. # [18:19] <fantasai> s/know/knows/
  116. # [18:20] <fantasai> Bert: We could discuss it at the F2F
  117. # [18:20] <fantasai> glazou: We could let them know that we will discuss this at the F2F in June
  118. # [18:20] <fantasai> ACTION glazou Reply to Doug
  119. # [18:20] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  120. # [18:20] <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Reply to Doug [on Daniel Glazman - due 2009-05-13].
  121. # [18:20] <glazou> arrrghhh noise
  122. # [18:20] <dbaron> Zakim, who is noisy?
  123. # [18:20] <Zakim> dbaron, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
  124. # [18:21] <fantasai> Topic: TPAC
  125. # [18:22] <fantasai> ?: Do we know what's going on with TPAC?
  126. # [18:22] <fantasai> fantasai: Doug Schepers was going to look into a joint meeting with SVG, HTML, WebApps, and us, but HTML apparently hasn't even heard of this so it doesn't seem he's looked into it much
  127. # [18:22] <fantasai> Bert: There will be a TPAC, just smaller than usually
  128. # [18:22] <fantasai> s/ly//
  129. # [18:23] <fantasai> glazou: mini-TPAC doesn't seem to be moving forward, so we should make sure we are part of TPAC
  130. # [18:23] <fantasai> peter: at least not preclude ourselves from attending
  131. # [18:23] <fantasai> Topic: Saloni's Old Issues
  132. # [18:23] <plinss__> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Apr/0518.html
  133. # [18:24] <fantasai> Peter: There was a note to update the proposal for Issue 72?
  134. # [18:24] <fantasai> Sylvain: Yeah, the issue is that nobody does what is in the spec
  135. # [18:26] <fantasai> Sylvain: We recommend adopting the proposal
  136. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: I think we need to add that the effect of these extra cells on the table is undefined
  137. # [18:27] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Proposal accepted as stated in issues list (Issue 72)
  138. # [18:28] <fantasai> Sylvain: We agree with proposal in Issue 73
  139. # [18:28] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Proposal accepted for 73
  140. # [18:29] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  141. # [18:31] <fantasai> Issue 117
  142. # [18:31] <plinss__> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Mar/0004.html
  143. # [18:32] <dbaron> I disagree with some of his editorial proposals.
  144. # [18:32] <fantasai> I'm going through them, and I'll be posting a response to www-style about those
  145. # [18:33] <fantasai> but this one's just about the line-height issue
  146. # [18:33] <fantasai> I also disagree with some of his editorial edits
  147. # [18:33] * glazou is almost knocked off by migraine, not sure I'll stay a lot longer on the call
  148. # [18:34] <dbaron> Can you hear me?
  149. # [18:34] <dbaron> I guess not.
  150. # [18:34] * Bert doesn't hear dbaron
  151. # [18:34] <dbaron> So I think this is a known undefined issue
  152. # [18:34] <glazou> no dbaron
  153. # [18:34] <dbaron> which we plan to solve in css3
  154. # [18:34] <dbaron> could somebody say this for me?
  155. # [18:35] <dbaron> I think it's the issue of what happens when the tallest thing in the line is bottom/top aligned.
  156. # [18:35] <dbaron> the position of the rest is undefined
  157. # [18:36] <dbaron> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  158. # [18:36] <Zakim> On the phone I see Bert, plinss__, glazou, [Microsoft], fantasai, ??P19, [Mozilla], SteveZ
  159. # [18:36] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has arronei
  160. # [18:36] <Zakim> [Mozilla] has dbaron
  161. # [18:36] * dbaron thought we did call it out, but maybe not
  162. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: should we call this out as explicitly undefined?
  163. # [18:36] <sylvaing> ie8 and webkit match the first test (alignment.html)
  164. # [18:36] <fantasai> SteveZ: What about testing it?
  165. # [18:37] <fantasai> Peter: I don't think it's hard to test, just have to see if we have implementations
  166. # [18:37] <fantasai> SteveZ: I think we should take a week to investigate and find out if there's any guidance we can give, even if we can't resolve it
  167. # [18:37] <dbaron> I guess we don't say anything about it being undefined.
  168. # [18:37] <sylvaing> opera 9.64, Firefox 3.5b4, Chrome and ie8 all match on the strut.html test
  169. # [18:38] <dbaron> I'm not sure 4b is an issue.
  170. # [18:38] <fantasai> SteveZ: I think comment 4c is correct
  171. # [18:38] <dbaron> We just don't describe it as a strut, I think.
  172. # [18:38] <dbaron> although we sort of do
  173. # [18:39] <dbaron> I guess perhaps the problem is that we describe it as a strut rather than as the anonymous inline box.
  174. # [18:39] <dbaron> and this would all fall through cleanly if we did the latter
  175. # [18:39] <CesarAcebal> zakim, ??P19 is CesarAcebal
  176. # [18:39] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal; got it
  177. # [18:42] <fantasai> fantasai: I remember this getting discussed a long time ago, when I first joined www-style. The strut wording was accepted as a compromise because some WG members didn't want to introduce an anonymous inline box
  178. # [18:42] <dbaron> I think it was because Tantek wanted to make only minimal changes since we were almost done with CSS 2.1. :-)
  179. # [18:42] <fantasai> (that encloses all the inline contents of a block)
  180. # [18:42] <fantasai> SteveZ: I don't understand how the anonymous inline box would solve this problem cmp struts
  181. # [18:44] <fantasai> Bert: The anonymous inline box is empty, so it wouldn't have height
  182. # [18:45] <fantasai> fantasai: It's not empty, and empty inline boxes don't get collapsed unless they're the only thing in the block
  183. # [18:46] <fantasai> fantasai: we're talking about the /root/ anonymous inline box, which is a concept that doesn't exist in the spec except in the text-decoration section
  184. # [18:47] * dbaron wishes he'd clicked through the link on the Agenda to realize that issue 117 was something he should have looked through in advance
  185. # [18:47] <fantasai> Steve proposes deferring to next week
  186. # [18:48] <dbaron> Zakim, who is noisy?
  187. # [18:48] <glazou> aaaargggghhh
  188. # [18:48] <Zakim> dbaron, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: plinss__ (9%), glazou (5%), CesarAcebal (60%)
  189. # [18:48] * glazou removes the headset, too painful
  190. # [18:48] <plinss__> zakim, mute cesaracebal
  191. # [18:48] <Zakim> CesarAcebal should now be muted
  192. # [18:49] <fantasai> Deferred to next week
  193. # [18:51] <fantasai> fantasai will be responding to this email and filing issues as necessary
  194. # [18:51] <fantasai> Peter: There are a bunch of issues still open that need work
  195. # [18:51] <fantasai> Peter: I want to make sure someone is working on each of them
  196. # [18:52] <sylvaing> arronei volunteers for 53
  197. # [18:52] <fantasai> :)
  198. # [18:52] * fantasai assigns
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  200. # [18:52] <sylvaing> arronei for 69 also
  201. # [18:53] <fantasai> assigned
  202. # [18:53] <sylvaing> I thought 111 was done as part of Bert's last spec update ?
  203. # [18:54] <fantasai> no, that was some other issues :)
  204. # [18:54] <fantasai> we're still waiting on jdaggett to rpopose text
  205. # [18:54] <sylvaing> oops
  206. # [18:54] <dbaron> I suppose I could take 26
  207. # [18:54] <fantasai> makes sense
  208. # [18:55] <fantasai> arronei, can you take 107?
  209. # [18:55] <fantasai> bzbarsky is working on 109 and 110
  210. # [18:55] <sylvaing> arronei says yes
  211. # [18:55] <fantasai> cool
  212. # [18:56] <Bert> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-html5-20090423/dom.html#the-style-attribute
  213. # [18:56] <sylvaing> sylvaing wants to learn about z-index so will take 60 (and probably regret it)
  214. # [18:57] * Bert wishes sylvain luck :-)
  215. # [18:57] * sylvaing is reassured now
  216. # [18:57] <fantasai> fantasai, I'll take 89
  217. # [18:58] <sylvaing> sure
  218. # [18:58] <sylvaing> will take 61
  219. # [18:58] <glazou> sorry guys, I need to leave the call, my migraine is so painful I cannot stand the headset
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  221. # [18:58] <fantasai> 111 is jdaggett
  222. # [18:58] <Zakim> -glazou
  223. # [18:59] <sylvaing> arronei can do the testcases for 114
  224. # [18:59] <fantasai> fantasai takes 115
  225. # [19:00] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  226. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  227. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
  228. # [19:01] <Zakim> -plinss__
  229. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Bert
  230. # [19:01] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  231. # [19:01] <Zakim> -fantasai
  232. # [19:01] <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
  233. # [19:01] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.354.aaaa, plinss__, glazou, Bert, sylvaing, fantasai, dbaron, arronei, SteveZ, CesarAcebal
  234. # [19:01] <fantasai> arronei: thanks for taking on the testcases :)
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  236. # [19:04] <sylvaing> arronei don't do prose :)
  237. # [19:06] <arronei> yeah not problem I'll do the test cases then we can see where we need to go from there
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  239. # [19:20] <fantasai> Issues list updated
  240. # [19:22] <sylvaing> me:"I have issues to work on" girlfriend:"I know"
  241. # [19:27] <fantasai> that was just asking for it :)
  242. # [19:29] <sylvaing> true.
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