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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 13 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #css
  3. # [00:27] <dbaron> fantasai, what's the syntax of the ~/.curl-w3.org file needed for your makefiles?
  4. # [00:27] * dbaron assumes it has W3C username/password in some format
  5. # [00:31] <dbaron> ah, figured it out
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  7. # [00:45] <dbaron> Is there no way to get [SHORTNAME] to work with the CGI preprocessor?
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  9. # [00:49] <dbaron> ah, it's inferred
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  11. # [00:54] <dbaron> anyway, I got something online at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/
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  16. # [09:41] <krijn> fantasai: no problem! :)
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  26. # [17:50] <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
  27. # [17:50] <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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  32. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.858.216.aaaa
  33. # [18:00] <plinss> zakim, +1.858.216 is me
  34. # [18:00] <Zakim> +plinss; got it
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  38. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Bert
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  40. # [18:07] <sylvaing> Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  41. # [18:07] <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
  42. # [18:08] <Zakim> +David_Baron
  43. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P21
  44. # [18:09] <glazou> fantasai: you join the call?
  45. # [18:10] <Bert> Scribe: Bert
  46. # [18:10] <Zakim> +SteveZ
  47. # [18:10] <Bert> ScribeNick: Bert
  48. # [18:10] <Bert> Topic: 2.1 issues
  49. # [18:11] <glazou> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-117
  50. # [18:11] <Zakim> +??P29
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  52. # [18:12] <plinss> zakim, ??P21 is CesarAcebal
  53. # [18:12] <Zakim> +CesarAcebal; got it
  54. # [18:12] <plinss> zakim, ??P29 is fantasai
  55. # [18:12] <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
  56. # [18:13] <dbaron> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0067.html
  57. # [18:13] <Bert> David baron sent some replies.
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  59. # [18:14] <Bert> David: We might want to define issue 4, indeed. We would need test cases.
  60. # [18:14] <sylvaing> issue 4a
  61. # [18:14] <sylvaing> ?
  62. # [18:15] <Bert> David: Specifically 4a.
  63. # [18:15] <Bert> David: I already pointed out it was udnefiend 10 years ago and the group decided to leave it 5 years ago. But we might change our mind.
  64. # [18:16] <Bert> Bert: Defined at some point, yes, but needed for 2.1?
  65. # [18:16] <Bert> David: Maybe not necessary, but we won't get interoperability.
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  67. # [18:17] <Bert> Daniel: So we confirm that we leave it undefined?
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  69. # [18:19] <Bert> (Discussion about what 2004 decision meant...)
  70. # [18:19] <Zakim> +??P0
  71. # [18:20] <Bert> David explains the "root" in that decision.
  72. # [18:20] <glazou> Zakim, who is here?
  73. # [18:20] <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, glazou, [Microsoft], Bert, David_Baron, CesarAcebal, SteveZ, fantasai, ??P0
  74. # [18:20] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has sylvaing
  75. # [18:20] <Zakim> On IRC I see Arron, szilles, alexmog, sylvaing, CesarAcebal, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, arronei, dbaron, Lachy, krijn, jdaggett, karl, plinss, Hixie, fantasai, Bert, trackbot
  76. # [18:20] <Bert> David: We don't have good terminology.
  77. # [18:20] <plinss> zakim, ??P0 is alexmog
  78. # [18:20] <Zakim> +alexmog; got it
  79. # [18:20] <Bert> David: An element inside a top-aligned is not a root and is not considered for the alignment of that root.
  80. # [18:21] <fantasai> ScribeNick: fantasai
  81. # [18:21] <Bert> Steve: For XSL I said top was considered first and than the bottom-aligned elements would align to what was the resulting bottom after the rest was aligned.
  82. # [18:21] <Bert> s/than/then/
  83. # [18:21] <fantasai> Steve: XSL, you align all the things that are neither top nor bottom-aligned
  84. # [18:22] <fantasai> Steve: Then you align against top, then bottom
  85. # [18:22] <fantasai> s/against/things that are top/
  86. # [18:23] <fantasai> fantasai: Should we just copy XSL's definition?
  87. # [18:23] <fantasai> David: We could use some test cases to see what browsers do
  88. # [18:23] <fantasai> fantasai: Didn't Anton post a test case?
  89. # [18:24] <fantasai> David: Some browsers might use always top, or always bottom, or the first thing, or the last thing.
  90. # [18:24] <fantasai> ACTION Steve come up with wider set of testcases
  91. # [18:24] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  92. # [18:24] <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Come up with wider set of testcases [on Steve Zilles - due 2009-05-20].
  93. # [18:24] <fantasai> Daniel: So we will return to 4a after analyzing testcases
  94. # [18:25] <fantasai> Daniel: What abotu 4b?
  95. # [18:25] <fantasai> David: We should come up with proposals for these
  96. # [18:25] <fantasai> Daniel: That's ok, but who will come up with the proposals?
  97. # [18:25] <szilles> You align all the things that are neither top or bottom aligned; then next align the top items to the top of the first result and finally align the bottom aligned items to the bottom of the first two results
  98. # [18:25] <fantasai> Steve: That should be either David or I
  99. # [18:26] <fantasai> David: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0035.html
  100. # [18:26] <fantasai> fantasai: I didn't have any proposals for this one, just filed the issue
  101. # [18:27] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0084.html
  102. # [18:27] <fantasai> fantasai: I folded Issue 4 and Issue 10 from that message into 117, they are all related and multiple bits might be solved by one proposal
  103. # [18:28] <fantasai> Daniel: Ok, Steve will take care of this. Next issue
  104. # [18:28] <fantasai> Topic: Background Shorthand for size
  105. # [18:28] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0084.html
  106. # [18:29] <fantasai> David: I don't like using slash as a delimiter when the item before it is optional
  107. # [18:29] <fantasai> Daniel: Thoughts on this?
  108. # [18:29] <fantasai> fantasai: Even the poster decided he didn't like this proposal, so I don't think we should adopt it.
  109. # [18:29] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0030.html
  110. # [18:30] <fantasai> Topic: pity thread
  111. # [18:30] <fantasai> Daniel: Was there anything to extract from this email?
  112. # [18:31] <fantasai> Bert: The first issue about the grammar, I made an error, it's my fault.
  113. # [18:31] <fantasai> Bert: The others, he doesn't like the way we write it... and I don't like it either, the handling of errors is not very clear
  114. # [18:31] <fantasai> Bert: I'm not sure we want to change that
  115. # [18:31] <fantasai> Bert: The last one, the fonts one, we still have an open issue. We should wait for that before we decide anything new on fonts
  116. # [18:31] <fantasai> Bert: I think John was going to come up with a proposal for that.
  117. # [18:32] <fantasai> Daniel: So we have one error that you are going to fix, or have already fixed
  118. # [18:32] <fantasai> Daniel: Two clarifications requested for the prose?
  119. # [18:32] <fantasai> Bert: Number 2 in his mail is about ignoring until the end of the block. The way it's written now says "up to and including the end of the block", which is wrong
  120. # [18:33] <fantasai> (we don't want to ignore the } )
  121. # [18:33] <fantasai> Bert: For number 3, I don't think we change anything there. I don't like the way it's written either, but I don't want to try to rewrite it. It's maybe not nicely written, but no real need to change.
  122. # [18:33] <dbaron> "up to (but not including) the end of the block"
  123. # [18:34] <fantasai> dbaron, that's not sufficient
  124. # [18:34] <fantasai> dbaron, reread the paragraph, you need to rearrange some text for that to work
  125. # [18:34] <dbaron> I can't find the paragraph
  126. # [18:34] <fantasai> it's in Bert's mail
  127. # [18:34] <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0054.html
  128. # [18:35] <fantasai> Search for "Maybe change from"
  129. # [18:36] <fantasai> David: I think I prefer Bert's first proposal
  130. # [18:36] <fantasai> fantasai: I would be ok with the first proposal if s/up to and including the next block/block/
  131. # [18:40] <fantasai> fantasai: but I guess that makes it ambiguous
  132. # [18:41] <dbaron> it might be clearer if we say that it's the next semicolon not in a block
  133. # [18:41] <fantasai> several prefer Bert's original proposal
  134. # [18:41] <fantasai> fantasai: I can live with that if we add a comma before the second 'or'
  135. # [18:41] * sylvaing thinks any of the proposals should be fine given the proper set of examples to disambiguate possible minsinterpretations
  136. # [18:42] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Bert's first proposal accepted with comma before second or
  137. # [18:42] <dbaron> mine are not ready
  138. # [18:42] <sylvaing> not ready either
  139. # [18:42] <glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0065.html
  140. # [18:42] <fantasai> Nobody's ready with CSS2.1 issues
  141. # [18:42] <fantasai> Next issue
  142. # [18:42] <fantasai> Topic: REquest for new pseudos to Selectors spec
  143. # [18:43] <fantasai> Daniel: I think it's too late in process to add these to css3-selectors
  144. # [18:43] <fantasai> agreemeent
  145. # [18:44] <fantasai> RESOLVED: Deferred to future specs
  146. # [18:45] <fantasai> Daniel: Please make sure to book your hotels and flights
  147. # [18:45] <fantasai> Daniel: And add topics to agenda http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009
  148. # [18:46] * alexmog st petersburg?
  149. # [18:47] <fantasai> Meeting closed
  150. # [18:47] <Zakim> -David_Baron
  151. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  152. # [18:47] <Zakim> -plinss
  153. # [18:47] <Zakim> -glazou
  154. # [18:47] <Zakim> -SteveZ
  155. # [18:48] <Zakim> -CesarAcebal
  156. # [18:48] <Zakim> -Bert
  157. # [18:48] <Bert> rrsagent, make logs public
  158. # [18:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Bert
  159. # [18:48] <Bert> rrsagent, draft minutes
  160. # [18:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-CSS-minutes.html Bert
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  163. # [18:49] <Zakim> -fantasai
  164. # [18:49] <Bert> trackbot, end meeting
  165. # [18:49] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  166. # [18:49] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  167. # [18:49] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.858.216.aaaa, plinss, glazou, Bert, sylvaing, David_Baron, SteveZ, CesarAcebal, fantasai, alexmog
  168. # [18:49] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  169. # [18:49] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-CSS-minutes.html trackbot
  170. # [18:49] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  171. # [18:49] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  178. # [19:08] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.216.aaaa, plinss, glazou, Bert, sylvaing, David_Baron, SteveZ, CesarAcebal, fantasai, alexmog
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